Philippine Navy Procures BrahMos Anti-Ship Missile System

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Yes in Maldives Dhruv deal it was returned not due to fault of Dhruv at all JUST LIKE the Nepal Airlines case.

The Ecuador case with cancellation of purchase from India's HAL is a case of Dhruv itself failing.

Maldives case -- returning a donated chopper for political reasons
Nepal case -- unable to return planes after a botched business deal and saddled with increasing losses due to the planes

 

[serenity]

Maldives case -- returning a donated chopper for political reasons
Nepal case -- unable to return planes after a botched business deal and saddled with increasing losses due to the planes

Botched business deals happen. Planes cost money to maintain. Pilots don't work for free.

and why oh why do you intentionally not mention the Ecuador case where many Dhruv crashes occurred and Ecuador cancelled the business deal with India.

You should say it like this as I've corrected for you.

Maldives case -- returning a donated chopper because they didn't want the Dhruv... Maldives wanted Dornier maritime surveillance aircraft and rejected India's donated Dhruv. Even as a donation, the Dhruv was unwanted.
Nepal case -- unable to return planes after a botched business deal and saddled with increasing losses due to the planes but used them when they didn't need to pay those maintenance costs anyway and used for two whole years with perfect operation and function.

Ecuador case -- Indian helicopter Dhruv was ordered by Ecuador with 7 helicopters. 4 of the supplied helicopters crashed and Ecuador put the rest up for sale and cancelled the contract with HAL of India.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

That's very nice. Dhruv has customers I'm sure. When you wrote about the returning of the Nepal Airlines aircraft, you made it seem like the machine was the problem when it wasn't. The article itself makes that more than clear.

So I made the point to show you Dhruv has actual issues causing customers to return it due to the Dhruv itself.

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From the link I shared in the first page.

Do not derail the thread. If you want to start a thread on Dhruv, start a new one.

Some good deal for India with around 80% Indian parts. Another deal is coming soon for Phillipines Army.
Hopefully Helis are on the table too.

 

[serenity]

Do not derail the thread. If you want to start a thread on Dhruv, start a new one.

Some good deal for India with around 80% Indian parts. Another deal is coming soon for Phillipines Army.
Hopefully Helis are on the table too.

I was responding to the other indian who derailed the thread with Nepal Airlines not being able to afford maintenance and parts for a Chinese aircraft they received as a donation. That was an earlier derail which itself was in response to Pakistani members posting trollish comments.

Maybe your compatriot should have either ignored clear trollish comments or responded to trollish comments directly without derailing the thread.

But yes I think this thread should get back on topic. I just wanted to respond to that Nepal Airline comment.

 

[pc_alt]

Botched business deals happen. Planes cost money to maintain. Pilots don't work for free.

and why oh why do you intentionally not mention the Ecuador case where many Dhruv crashes occurred and Ecuador cancelled the business deal with India.

You should say it like this as I've corrected for you.


Ecuador case -- Indian helicopter Dhruv was ordered by Ecuador with 7 helicopters. 4 of the supplied helicopters crashed and Ecuador put the rest up for sale and cancelled the contract with HAL of India.

I am not denying Ecuador cases.. we take responsibility and take back faulty equipment or repair them if possible. We dont wash our hands off after sale.
Again, not claiming that the aircraft were faulty.

PS . Lets get back to the topic though. Peace out.

 

[serenity]

I am not denying Ecuador cases.. we take responsibility and take back faulty equipment or repair them if possible. We dont wash our hands off after sale.
Again, not claiming that the aircraft were faulty.

PS . Lets get back to the topic though. Peace out.

You don't wash your hands off after sale? Like we do huh lol that's your implication.

You couldn't wash your hands. 4 out of 7 ordered Indian Dhruv had problems and crashed. They wanted to cancel the order. This isn't remotely about after sales. After sales is like whether or not you will fix problems or provide support. It isn't clear in Nepal case if the Chinese side offered after sales support. The article doesn't mention. It doesn't say the Chinese denied supplying parts and denied talking to Nepal Airlines because the article only says they couldn't afford to spend money on parts and maintenance and keep the vehicle running in profit. Essentially money in is 1000 units but maintenance, parts, and pilot is 1500 units. So they couldn't make the business model work with that aircraft. This has more to do with their business than it does with how much the parts and maintenance cost. Probably very little but we don't know and they just didn't have enough income from operating that aircraft to justify those costs. Maybe another business can make profit using that aircraft.

Like one factory cannot make profit from Machine A because this factory is poorly run and has few customers that require Machine A. While another factory uses Machine A at a profit and can afford maintenance for the machine.

While in Ecuador case, india doesn't get to say it is a responsible after sales support offerer lol because there is no after sales support in question when we're talking about the customer being so annoyed at problems with the machine itself that it cancels the contract. You can't say oh we offered good after sales let's congratulate ourselves.

Unlike the Chinese aircraft supplied to Nepal Airlines that functioned without fault, the Indian helicopter supplied to Ecuador had 4 crashes out of 6 supplied (out of 7 ordered I think correct me if these are wrong).

Clearly the Nepal aircraft from China had after sales support since the article says that Nepal Airlines could not afford to keep the line running.

This implies that they approached the manufacturer for parts and maintenance and the cost even if very affordable and reasonable (we don't know) was more than Nepal Airlines was getting business for this particular route that they use this aircraft for.

In business this is quite common.

Many, many, many airlines have gone out of business over the decades. The aircraft they use are often fine and the manufacturers offered great after sales support. The airlines going out of business isn't because no after sales support but because of a myriad of business and economic reasons. Very different to the Dhruv example.

Yeah and peace out. You wanted to drag this silly Nepal Airline example where you make a mountain out of a molehill so don't be surprised when others pick back.

 

[pc_alt]

You don't wash your hands off after sale? Like we do huh lol that's your implication.

You couldn't wash your hands. 4 out of 7 ordered Indian Dhruv had problems and crashed. They wanted to cancel the order. This isn't remotely about after sales. After sales is like whether or not you will fix problems or provide support. It isn't clear in Nepal case if the Chinese side offered after sales support. The article doesn't mention. It doesn't say the Chinese denied supplying parts and denied talking to Nepal Airlines because the article only says they couldn't afford to spend money on parts and maintenance and keep the vehicle running in profit. Essentially money in is 1000 units but maintenance, parts, and pilot is 1500 units. So they couldn't make the business model work with that aircraft. This has more to do with their business than it does with how much the parts and maintenance cost. Probably very little but we don't know and they just didn't have enough income from operating that aircraft to justify those costs. Maybe another business can make profit using that aircraft.

Like one factory cannot make profit from Machine A because this factory is poorly run and has few customers that require Machine A. While another factory uses Machine A at a profit and can afford maintenance for the machine.

While in Ecuador case, india doesn't get to say it is a responsible after sales support offerer lol because there is no after sales support in question when we're talking about the customer being so annoyed at problems with the machine itself that it cancels the contract. You can't say oh we offered good after sales let's congratulate ourselves.

Unlike the Chinese aircraft supplied to Nepal Airlines that functioned without fault, the Indian helicopter supplied to Ecuador had 4 crashes out of 6 supplied (out of 7 ordered I think correct me if these are wrong).

Clearly the Nepal aircraft from China had after sales support since the article says that Nepal Airlines could not afford to keep the line running.

This implies that they approached the manufacturer for parts and maintenance and the cost even if very affordable and reasonable (we don't know) was more than Nepal Airlines was getting business for this particular route that they use this aircraft for.

In business this is quite common.

Many, many, many airlines have gone out of business over the decades. The aircraft they use are often fine and the manufacturers offered great after sales support. The airlines going out of business isn't because no after sales support but because of a myriad of business and economic reasons. Very different to the Dhruv example.

Yeah and peace out. You wanted to drag this silly Nepal Airline example where you make a mountain out of a molehill so don't be surprised when others pick back.

Ni hao.. whats your comment on Brahmos sale to Phillipines.

 

[serenity]

Ni hao.. whats your comment on Brahmos sale to Phillipines.

Namaste yindoo. I think brahmos is quite outdated in this era. It doesn't use sea skimming to the same level, it has slower speed if using lower altitude flight. It is extremely large and easy to pick up by radar and even passive heat sensors.

Mach 3 these days is slow for an era where top tier weapons are mach 5 to mach 20.

Sea skimming missiles are advantageous over Brahmos like flight paths. Stealth cruise missiles even if slow are also more dangerous.

Onyx which is similar to brahmos has been offered for sale for nearly 20 years now. Anyone with some cash can buy one. No one even bothers buying some to practice against.

Brahmos if sea skimming would be more effective but would have even less range and speed.

 

[pc_alt]

Namaste yindoo. I think brahmos is quite outdated in this era. It doesn't use sea skimming to the same level, it has slower speed if using lower altitude flight. It is extremely large and easy to pick up by radar and even passive heat sensors.

Mach 3 these days is slow for an era where top tier weapons are mach 5 to mach 20.

Sea skimming missiles are advantageous over Brahmos like flight paths. Stealth cruise missiles even if slow are also more dangerous.

Onyx which is similar to brahmos has been offered for sale for nearly 20 years now. Anyone with some cash can buy one. No one even bothers buying some to practice against.

Brahmos if sea skimming would be more effective but would have even less range and speed.

Whats yindoo?

Phillipines is getting something better than nothing. Atleast it will make the adversaries invest in some anti-cruise missile capability on their ships. India-Russia are working on Brahmos-II which will be hypersonic.

 

[serenity]

Whats yindoo?

Phillipines is getting something better than nothing. Atleast it will make the adversaries invest in some anti-cruise missile capability on their ships. India-Russia are working on Brahmos-II which will be hypersonic.

well said.

 

[TheSolution]

There should be some level of sanity test required for Indians on this forum.... very few who can actually converse like normal humans...

Delusion is way too common in Indians, could put something in front of their face and the strawmans and whataboutism will never end.

 

[pc_alt]

There should be some level of sanity test required for Indians on this forum.... very few who can actually converse like normal humans...

Delusion is way too common in Indians, could put something in front of their face and the strawmans and whataboutism will never end.

Brahmos is an Indo-Russian collaboration, sold to Phillipines, directed against China. What is Pakistan's problem in all this?

 

[TheSolution]

Brahmos is an Indo-Russian collaboration, sold to Phillipines, directed against China. What is Pakistan's problem in all this?

Nothing? I don't see the relevance of your reply to my message...

Didn't mention anything about Brahmos or the Phillipines. It was more in connection to the conversation that played out in this thread. (Similar to ones which play out in other threads)

 

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Nothing? I don't see the relevance of your reply to my message...

Didn't mention anything about Brahmos or the Phillipines. It was more in connection to the conversation that played out in this thread. (Similar to ones which play out in other threads)

You made a comment on Indian delusion, insanity etc without quoting any post, so it was a fair assumption that you were pointing towards the topic in the thread. If not, then please do continue.