Peter Doshi: Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—we need more details and the raw data

[Hamartia Antidote]

This guys is basically BSing. He's assuming ALL suspected cases are infected with Covid, including those who are confirmed negative with PCR test. His logic? He's assuming they are all false negative to arrive the '19%' risk reduction.

Oh, and the author has a history of being an anti-vaxxer.

"Shocking" Report On Flu Vaccine Is Neither Shocking Nor Correct

Anti-vaccine websites are recycling claims that the flu vaccine is ineffective. It turns out that the claims are little more than a clever way to turn uncertainty about the vaccine's benefits into an anti-vaccine message.

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19% or 95%? US expert challenges Pfizer vaccine’s efficacy, triggers debates in China - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

"Doshi's opinion was disputed among Chinese vaccine experts interviewed by the Global Times. Many experts agreed that Pfizer should provide more raw data for peer review but said Doshi's methodology may be flawed.

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Zhuang noted that Doshi's doubts may be related to the anti-vaccine movement in the US, noting that Doshi has previously criticized other vaccines like the flu vaccines. "

 

[Mista]

19% or 95%? US expert challenges Pfizer vaccine’s efficacy, triggers debates in China - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

"Doshi's opinion was disputed among Chinese vaccine experts interviewed by the Global Times. Many experts agreed that Pfizer should provide more raw data for peer review but said Doshi's methodology may be flawed.

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Zhuang noted that Doshi's doubts may be related to the anti-vaccine movement in the US, noting that Doshi has previously criticized other vaccines like the flu vaccines. "

”Doshi's comments triggered controversy on Chinese social media platforms, with some Chinese experts doubting Doshi's counting method for efficacy as he takes all participants showing symptoms to be confirmed COVID-19 cases, even if PRC tests show negative results.

"The PRC test is of very high sensitivity, 98.6 percent in the last year. But its sensitivity could be only 5 percent under Doshi's counting method," Zhuang Shilihe, a Guangzhou-based vaccine doctor, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

Zhuang noted that Doshi's doubts may be related to the anti-vaccine movement in the US, noting that Doshi has previously criticized other vaccines like the flu vaccines.“

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Lmao.

 

[Globenim]

The U.S. proapganda mouthpieces have suddenly become pretty bussy trying to spin up deflecting bullshit about competing vaccines now that their vaccine has proven to be most effective at killing patients.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Basically these are just thinly veil attempts to policise the vaccines so that certain companies can sell more of theirs when in reality there will be a shortage of vaccines throughout 2021 and every nations are fighting to get their quota.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The U.S. proapganda mouthpieces have suddenly become pretty bussy trying to spin up deflecting bullshit about competing vaccines now that their vaccine has proven to be most effective at killing patients.

???

Odd this article was posted by a Chinese member and is an anti-US vaccine one.

You sure you don't have that backwards?
Opposite Day is January 25th.

 

[Globenim]

You sure you don't have that backwards?

Reality:
Pfizer is a vaccine with frequent confirmed reports of extreme complictations and deaths connected to the vaccine.
Meanwhile U.S. propaganda mouthpieces are pumping out increasing amount of biased, opinionated and baseless missinformation pieces about competing vaccine products despite their objectively positive and complication free performance.

What I said:
The U.S. propaganda mouthpieces have suddenly become pretty bussy trying to spin up deflecting bullshit about competing vaccines now that their vaccine has proven to be most effective at killing patients.

Its odd to talk about the Pfizer vaccine with its frequent confirmed reports of extreme complictations and deaths rather than the one without such complications?
Its odd to point out that U.S. propaganda mouthpieces went on another crusade to badmouth a foreign vaccine despite its objectively positive and complication free performance when their own vaccine is the one they should be questioning because of all its troubles?
Whats exactly "odd" and "backwards" here? Just because it doesnt match up with the dishonest narrative U.S. propaganda mouthpieces try to push doesnt make it "odd" and "backwards".

You sure you arent just deflecting exactly like I said?

 

[Thamizh Puli]

This is what I have understood and am sharing it so that people are not unduly perturbed. There is ofcourse always more learnings over time - remember wuhan covid reached pandemic proportions in a short time and we will have to take some considered risk and act as opposed to sit doing nothing awiating total dottin an crossing!

1) After the 1st dose in about a week the body achieves 50% immunity
2) The 2nd does administered 3 weeks later boosts the immunity
3) In 5 weeks (from 1st dose) is when body achieves near complete immunity (95%)

That is why even after getting the shot one has to practice all the cdc recommendations