Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[Bratva]

There v dangerous part of this hadith, so dont link it this incident. Please.

@Topic

This thread is too messed up, can somebody point me to original ISPR story?

What i got so far,

1) There was already intelligence report about attack, and they knew target will be some military site. But They didnt expected school.

2) school teachers, staff already complained in august in security from two sides, but no action was taken.

3) Still its unsure whether militants visit the site, but the way they operated, they or handler new the site.

4) Militants enter the building from autotorum side, after crossing the wall.

5) number of militants is still a dilima

6) Some people from outside heard some firing, and they saw 6 militants with amonition, When militants Saw this they fired towards these guys, then they run away.

7) Militants did some firing, and after students heard this they try to leave autotorim, but militants started firing on them.

8) seige remained for 4 n half hours.




Now my questions are, why operation started so late? What local security or army was doing, they had to wait for SSG to come? Was that the reason for higher casualties? How many terrorist blew themself, and how many got killed through bullet? Since, ISPR said initially, they killed all.terrorists, and suicidal jacket wasnt used, later reports were released was difgerrnt

Peshawar school Attack was planned near Pak-Afghan border in early Dec: Report – The Express Tribune

No hostages: Terrorists wanted to inflict maximum casualties, says DG ISPR – The Express Tribune

‘We have killed all the children... What do we do now?’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[Asian.Century]

What did you do to make Kunar, Nuristan safe? IIRC, you pulled your forces out of there in 2010 instead of clearing them out from Taliban

Bro, NATO can't make it...British have lost the will to to fight...British have lost in Afg-Pak region. @Solomon2

 

[Dubious]

 

[Armstrong]

Read the "We've already buried our sons" article again. Once you open the door to terror the terrorists take the liberties they want and the authorities let them get away with it. And that was from the fighters being trained for the Afghan resistance, years before the TTP was even a wet dream of Baitullah Mehsud.
I recall reading somewhere long ago that Egypt had the same experience with trainees for the Palestinian resistance and Nasser let them get away with it as "training."

Please 'read' my post again; if terrorists and their sympathizers are being targeted in intelligence based operations are their ghosts going to 'take the liberties they want' ?

 

[Solomon2]

What did you do to make Kunar, Nuristan safe? IIRC, you pulled your forces out of there in 2010 instead of clearing them out from Taliban

Why not ask @CENTCOM?

Please 'read' my post again; if terrorists and their sympathizers are being targeted in intelligence based operations are their ghosts going to 'take the liberties they want' ?

New ones will either be trained by the gov't or pop up with the support of society because you're still accepting terror as an acceptable tool and tactic.

 

[Bratva]

Read the "We've already buried our sons" article again. Once you open the door to terror the terrorists take the liberties they want and the authorities let them get away with it. And that was from the fighters being trained for the Afghan resistance, years before the TTP was even a wet dream of Baitullah Mehsud.
I recall reading somewhere long ago that Egypt had the same experience with trainees for the Palestinian resistance and Nasser let them get away with it as "training."

Did you know what helped Baitullah mehsud in achieving his wet dream? 30 October 2006 US drone strike in bajaur on a madrassah killing 69 children and 11 staff members. Baitullah mehsud exploited the sentiments of local populace and gathered them to attack Pakistan and we are paying the price of US drone strike uptill now. !

 

[Armstrong]

New ones will either be trained by the gov't or pop up with the support of society because you're still accepting terror as an acceptable tool and tactic.

Ahhh....I see; I guess we'll have to find out then.

So stick around.

 

[OTTOMAN]

@Mrc Americans must be out of there mind to hand over alive TTP leader.
To tell you the truth...OBL instance reflects, Americans always have duplicate available for their characters.

 

[Bratva]

Why not ask @CENTCOM?

New ones will either be trained by the gov't or pop up with the support of society because you're still accepting terror as an acceptable tool and tactic.

Why centcom would answer when there is enough public info on that ?

What happened when US forces left Afghan hotspot?

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Afghanistan War - 10 years

• Tipping point?
• Taliban strength
• Changing lives
• Ordinary voices

What happens when US forces pull out of the most dangerous parts of Afghanistan? The BBC's Bilal Sarwary, the first journalist to visit one of the areas the US left in Kunar province, uncovers a disturbing situation.

Kunar has always been a crucible of conflict. Tucked away in the north-eastern corner of Afghanistan, it borders Pakistan's tribal badlands. It is one of the first ports of call for war-minded militants crossing the mountain passes.

But after the US-led invasion, troops began to assert their hold over the province. It is now littered with US and Nato bases and despite bloody battles there, the US invested heavily. Roads were asphalted, buildings renovated and a sense of security slowly developed. Villagers went about their business while infrastructure was put in place.

The US pulled out of parts of Kunar last year, beginning the withdrawal process. What has happened in the province since then makes for grim reading.

The new roads are now pock-marked with craters left by militants who plant bombs targeting Western and Afghan forces.

The province is becoming more dangerous - UK aid worker Linda Norgrove was kidnapped on one of the main roads in Kunar last year and in the past few months an Afghan translator was also abducted from exactly the same area.

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“Start Quote
It's Taliban across the river - they are lying in wait”

Barkanday village elder
The stretch between Chaw Kay and Nur Gal has become a favourite haunt of militants seeking targets.

The Taliban now roam at will in some rural districts, ruling villages by night while the government exerts nominal power by day. Taliban radio stations broadcast daily and hypnotic chants exhorting jihad (holy war) dominate Kunar's airwaves.

Intelligence officials say the Taliban operate radio stations from transmitters loaded on the backs of donkeys. "The donkeys are always mobile and they are guarded by armed insurgents," one spy told me.

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Pech River Valley
Pech River Valley offers little for thousands of residents spread across this remote region. Sandwiched between forested valleys and mountains, a shallow river runs in the middle.

It is hostile and difficult terrain and has been favoured by militants for years. In the 1980s hundreds of Arab fighters poured in and married locals. Analysts believe al-Qaeda fighters are still in the area.

Why did the US base themselves there? Because whoever wins people in areas like this will win most of Kunar. That is a challenge the Taliban are now taking up.

It is a potent weapon for insurgents, they argue. A number of Kunar youth are being recruited as suicide bombers and there is evidence of militant training camps in areas where the US used to patrol.

Rising against militants
When I visited the picturesque Pech valley in the west of the province, a cloud of gloom hung over it.

In Barkanday village, I found a group of tribal elders brooding over their predicament: where once US forces were a deterrent to the Taliban, the Afghan government is notable only for its absence.

"It is Taliban across the river," one elder said. "They are lying in wait. At the first opportunity, they will descend on the village to take their revenge," he said, refusing to give his name for fear of retribution.

Villagers say the Taliban are making a comeback now US forces have left
Barkanday dared to rise against the Taliban when they blew up a bridge over the river, restricting the villagers' movement and obstructing water meant for their fields. The revolt did not go down well with the Taliban leadership, the elder said.

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I met the Taliban-appointed governor - he promised me justice”

Bibi Gul
One local pointed to a dozen men in the distance carrying grenade launchers and machine guns, most dressed in Afghan army and police uniforms. They were Taliban, I was told.

Inside the village, 30-year-old Suleman told me insurgents enter the village at night. "They catch hold of anyone who dares to step out," he said.

Several people whose family members work for the security forces fled after US forces left the village. "Those still here live in fear day and night," another elder said.

The Taliban wrote a letter for Bibi Gul on their own headed notepaper
Suleman spoke of one recent morning when villagers woke to find a bullet-riddled body. There was a typed note saying anyone found working for the "infidels" would meet the same fate.

"When US forces left, they told us that our security was now the responsibility of the Afghan government," Mohammad Akbar said. "But the Afghan government exists only in the district headquarters at Mano Gai."

I did not come across a single soldier or official on my way there or during my four-hour stay. Villagers say development has also suffered.

"US forces built bridges, roads, schools and clinics in the area," said Abu Zubair. "Now there is no such activity."

Taliban judiciary
The Taliban even run a shadow judiciary in parts of Kunar. Like increasing numbers of Afghans in rural areas looking for speedy justice, Bibi Gul turned to a Taliban court when her son was murdered after a spat with a neighbour.

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Suicide bomber profiled

Omar is 16 and came from the Pech River Valley. He carried out a suicide car attack against US forces in the summer. One police officer was injured.

Soon afterwards, the Taliban's mobile radio station FM Voice of Sharia was praising him, calling him a "hero" and an example to other Afghans. But how did the Taliban manage to recruit him?

Relatives say Omar was recruited at a refugee camp in Pakistan. He kept all details of his life as a Taliban fighter secret from his loved ones until the last minute. He recorded a video saying he needed to carry out a suicide attack against "foreign invaders".

When government officials failed to act she took her grievance to the Taliban.

"I crossed the river and travelled several hours... I met the Taliban-appointed governor. He promised me justice," she said, showing me a letter from him.

It said: "Tell us if there is a tribal solution to the woman's complaint. If not, we will resolve the dispute our way."

Several villagers told me that Taliban judges hold court every Friday in nearby areas, deciding cases ranging from robbery to murder.

"They don't make us wait for months… justice is handed out instantly," one woman said.

The governor of Kunar, Fazlullah Wahidi, rejects the argument that there is no government in places such as Barkanday. But he admits that there are not enough Afghan forces to instill confidence, admitting "that is our weakness".

Afghanistan's intelligence spokesman, Luftullah Mashal, insists that training camps are based over the border in Pakistan.

But as Western forces withdraw, more areas like those in Kunar will be handed over to Afghan forces. Many Afghans ask if local forces will be able to hold on to these areas. If Kunar is an example, there will be many doubts.

BBC News - What happened when US forces left Afghan hotspot?

 

[Solomon2]

Did you know what helped Baitullah mehsud in achieving his wet dream? 30 October 2006 US drone strike in bajaur on a madrassah -

Chenagai? You should know the U.S. always denied involvement in it and said it was purely a Paksitani military operation: link

 

[HRK]

https://twitter.com/x/status/545671694287794176

 

[Dubious]

Avaaz - Honour Pakistan's Children

1) They were innocent children
2) Do we need a reason to educate another soul?
3) Education should be the RIGHT of every child not a dream

 

[Bratva]

Chenagai? You should know the U.S. always denied involvement in it and said it was purely a Paksitani military operation.

Unfortunately, A local reporter found the remains of Hell fire missile in the rubble. If you could do google search of the pic of remains of hellfire missile being displayed by that reporter after the attack, the reporter was abducted and killed later. Besides, the local people confirmed it was a drone attack, After the destruction of madrassah, then two cobras arrived on scene.

It was purely a US drone Ops. ! and why would US admit killing 80 civilians including 69 kids with age low as 7 years old ?

 

[Solomon2]

Ahhh....I see; I guess we'll have to find out then. So stick around.

The key difference between children and adults is that the adults have already made many mistakes. That doesn't mean the children have to repeat them.

 

[Armstrong]

The key difference between children and adults is that the adults have already made many mistakes. That doesn't mean the children have to repeat them.

Thank you for that illuminating aphorism.

 

[United]

Every dog involved in this massacre direct or indirect will feel pain till the end of times.......inshallah

"As they jumped our walls.........we will jump there's.....as they blew ours.....we will blow there's......as they showed no Mercy.........we will show no mercy."

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