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People of Balochistan want freedom from Sardars: Muhabbat Khan Mari

MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n;2638825 said:
that's the spirit bro. .. :sniper: fasih bhaiy , awsome work , superb post ; it's good to see that the actual facts about balochistan 's issue are being exposed by patriotic people in an effective manner than done ever before . :meeting: :pakistan:

Thank You Brother for the Appreciation. It's need of the hour that Patriotic Pakistanis collectively give buffeted reply to Indian lies and expose them in front of the world.
 
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Long Live Balochistan. Long Live Pakistan. Death to India and It's Stooges.

Not Indian planes bombarded your ex-internal minister of Pakistan & Chief minister of Baluchistan.
 
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Difference being Balochistan opted to join Pakistan in 1947 while Kashmir didn't opt to join India EVER!

It was Kashmiri King(Head of that government) signed in the instrument of annexure in 1947! Consider it open challenge, Kashmir belongs to India.... Not agree with this... Bang your head on the wall... You can do nothing about that!
 
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It was Kashmiri King(Head of that government) signed in the instrument of annexure in 1947! Consider it open challenge, Kashmir belongs to India.... Not agree with this... Bang your head on the wall... You can do nothing about that!
A king is a dictatorship. A Balochistan Grand Assembly of the people decided to join Pakistan. A Hindu King wanted to join Kashmir but the people didn't. That's why they rebelled against you.
Seriously, do I have to explain every single word to you?
 
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A king is a dictatorship. A Balochistan Grand Assembly of the people decided to join Pakistan. A Hindu King wanted to join Kashmir but the people didn't. That's why they rebelled against you.
Seriously, do I have to explain every single word to you?

What an answer Mash' Allah. Hats Off Brother. If there was someone else at recieving end then an ''Indian'' he would die with shame. But dealing with Indians, there's no ashamed, part here.
 
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A king is a dictatorship. A Balochistan Grand Assembly of the people decided to join Pakistan. A Hindu King wanted to join Kashmir but the people didn't. That's why they rebelled against you.
Seriously, do I have to explain every single word to you?

People rebelled us? They did not rebelled in 1965!

They did not rebel in 1999... All these terrorism started in 1989... What happened to these people from 1947 till 1989? All the mujaheddin from Afghanistan are diverted into Kashmir when IA was not that prepared!

Some of these Kashmiris are brainwashed! I hope we can bring them to their senses... and the remaining can be ridden off by some means!
 
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People rebelled us? They did not rebelled in 1965!
Sit down and take a history lesson here. Just for you, I'll post links from neutral sources.
Recent Protests:
Kashmir: India and Pakistan's bitter dispute - CNN
Protests in 1947:
Gendercide Watch - case studies: Kashmir/Punjab/The Delhi Massacre

hey did not rebel in 1999... All these terrorism started in 1989... What happened to these people from 1947 till 1989? All the mujaheddin from Afghanistan are diverted into Kashmir when IA was not that prepared!
AS proved above, this is nonsense

Some of these Kashmiris are brainwashed! I hope we can bring them to their senses... and the remaining can be ridden off by some means!
How nice of you! How humane!

---------- Post added at 12:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:29 PM ----------

And I want to add this link:
http://www1.appstate.edu/~stefanov/Kashmir Between India and Pakistan.pdf
 
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Nowhere it is told there is a rebellion IN KASHMIR from 1947 till 1989 in Kashmir. Don't twist the facts! better you learn history.
Some choice quotes for you since you probably didn't even read the links

In 1964, a militant organization, the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF), was created to lead the struggle for independence. Widespread electoral fraud increased popular support for the JKLF and other, newer militant groups
Systematic torture, including sexual torture, has been another standard strategy, "used routinely by all the security forces operating in Kashmir. Although the problem is widely known to the authorities in Srinagar and New Delhi, neither has ever made any serious effort to curb it." The "severe beatings" that generally feature in such torture may "induce kidney failure, as can electric shocks, because the contractions caused by the shocks as well as the trauma ... [lead] the muscles to release toxins that the kidneys cannot handle in large quantities. ...

Brings tears to my eyes even thinking of this. But must go on
Rape, especially of women relatives of suspected militants or dissidents, has also been commonly employed by both security forces and their paramilitary allies. "In the past, the Indian government has made public a number of prosecutions of members of security forces for rape. However, even these cases amount to no more than a handful; many other incidents of rape have never been prosecuted, and reports of rape and other sexual assaults in Kashmir persist."
So were women specially sent from Pakistan too, according to you? Despicable act is despicable

According to Joyce Pettigrew, "many young people killed have not been engaged in armed combat. They have been ordinary boys who have disappeared on an errand for their parents, visiting relatives, or while working in their fields, or who have been picked up from their own or their in-laws' home. ... Disappearances occurred primarily in the under-thirty age group. Some villages had lost more than forty young men. Sursinghwala in Amritsar district had lost seventy young men. Buttar Kalan, in Gurdaspur district, lost twenty. Each village has not kept a separate account of its losses. Erring on the conservative side ... it is highly probable that most villages in the Amritsar district would have lost on average ten young men." (Pettigrew, "Parents and Their Children in Situations of Terror: Disappearances and Special Police Activity in Punjab," in Jeffrey A. Sluka, ed., Death Squad: The Anthropology of State Terror [University of Pennsylvania Press, 2000]

The Muslims in the Western part of Kashmir rebelled against the Maharaja and established their own independent (Azad) Kashmir government

Indian strategy has relied extensively on extrajudicial murders, which usually "occur after 'crackdowns' ... during which all the men of a neighborhood or village are called to assemble for an identification parade in front of hooded informers. Those whom the informers point out are taken away for torture and interrogation, and some are simply taken away and shot." (Human Rights Watch, "India's Secret Army in Kashmir".) In 1999, Human Rights Watch reported that "custodial killings -- the summary execution of detainees -- remain a central component of the Indian government's counterinsurgency strategy. While the difficulties associated with documentation make it impossible to state accurately the number of such killings, human rights groups in the state and elsewhere in India estimate that such summary executions number in the thousands." ("India: Behind the Kashmir Conflict", July 1999.) In Kashmir and Punjab combined, "the actual number of executed and 'disappeared' ... [is] probably in the tens of thousands," according to Cynthia Keppley Mahmood. (Mahmood, "Trials by Fire: Dynamics of Terror in Punjab and Kashmir," in Jeffrey A. Sluka, ed., Death Squad: The Anthropology of State Terror [University of Pennsylvania Press, 2000], p. 70.)

You defend this?
 
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دو تین نام نہاد لیڈروں کی جڑیں اگر لوگوں میں موجود ہوتیں تو وہ کبھی ملک سے باہر جاکر جدوجہد نہ کرتے اور نہ ان ایوانوں میں جہاں کشمیر کی حق خودارادیت پر بازِگشت بھی نہ سنی گئی ہو وہاں انکے لئے کسی قراداد کی گونج آتی اوراس قرداد کی ہمایت ہی انکی بیرونی سازش کا حصہ ہونے کی سب سے بڑی دلیل ہے
 
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Some countries or peoples that got freedom from their own people, due to the unselfish help of outsiders.
Tibet - China invaded Tibet and 'freed' all the serfs from the landlords.
A huge list of erstwhile Soviet Republics(incl Afghanistan) - Russia successfully 'freed' the populations from the ruthless suppression from their respective ruling classes.
Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan - US gave 'freedom' to people by getting rid of Gaddafi and Saddam. Now US wants to give freedom to Iranians from their rulers.
Erstwhile Bangladesh - Pakistan 'freed' them from the Hindu stooge Mujib ur Rehman for a period, but could not protect the freedom after India entered the war.

Depending on which country you belong to, may be except the 'freed' populations, you will like at least one of the above acts of 'liberation'. But ironically the 'freed' people just say, 'Ok. we were under suppression. But does that justify an invasion by an outside power?'. The quote is from Lobsang Sengey. Because if that bestowed freedom is genuine, then one more example is that India is trying to give freedom to Kashmir from its clerics. We talk about 'White man's burden' all the time. I think that is racist towards the white people. We all like to 'selflessly' carry the 'burdens'.
 
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Some countries or peoples that got freedom from their own people, due to the unselfish help of outsiders.
Tibet - China invaded Tibet and 'freed' all the serfs from the landlords.
A huge list of erstwhile Soviet Republics(incl Afghanistan) - Russia successfully 'freed' the populations from the ruthless suppression from their respective ruling classes.
The keyword being unselfish. None of these examples is selfless, which by the way is the correct word.
Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan - US gave 'freedom' to people by getting rid of Gaddafi and Saddam. Now US wants to give freedom to Iranians from their rulers.
Too bad the people disagree with this
Erstwhile Bangladesh - Pakistan 'freed' them from the Hindu stooge Mujib ur Rehman for a period, but could not protect the freedom after India entered the war.
Note here that you have admitted Mujib was a Hindu Stooge. Otherwise, nothing of substance

Depending on which country you belong to, may be except the 'freed' populations, you will like at least one of the above acts of 'liberation'. But ironically the 'freed' people just say, 'Ok. we were under suppression. But does that justify an invasion by an outside power?'.
Ah but they wanted to secede to Pakistan in 1947
The quote is from Lobsang Sengey.
Like I care
Because if that bestowed freedom is genuine, then one more example is that India is trying to give freedom to Kashmir from its clerics. We talk about 'White man's burden' all the time. I think that is racist towards the white people. We all like to 'selflessly' carry the 'burdens'.
Freedom from its clerics? Are you utterly crazy? What clerics?

Nonsense rhetoric once again!
 
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Difference being Balochistan opted to join Pakistan in 1947 while Kashmir didn't opt to join India EVER!

Khan of Kalat wanted join with India but we rejected so he joined with Pakistan. Maharaj Hari singh agreed to join with India so your claim is untrue. Even u knw tat well.
 
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