Pathankot attack: Pakistan detains JeM chief Maulana Masood Azhar, offices sealed

[Levina]

I dont need to know the flexural rigidity of the double wish bone suspension on the Jag XES, if it can provide better approach speeds than a BMW 335, neither do I need to know the screw profile on a variable speed compressor as long as it can show better efficiency throughout the load curve.

oh come on!
I am not an automobile engineer. To me both are inviting (look similar and ppl say they perform well too). I am partial towards the German machine so I would under all circumstances remain loyal to it.

But when the results are dismal, then the logic and planning behind the system comes into question.

You're contradicting yourself now- first you demand a long term foreign policy and then you show no patience to wait for it to produce results.
Long term plans take time to produce results you know.
Foreign policy is not mathematics where 2+2 always produces 4.

re the reuslts are dismal, thus the fear that strategy is either flawed, or in my words non-existent.

How did you get to that conclusion???
Just a humble reminder- this government is merely 19months old.

So Teach,how is the investigation going,any concrete results?

Frankly speaking.... I don't know.
But something tells me we are on the right path.
(I just hope Pakistan doesn't dupe India this time - fingers crossed).

 

[MilSpec]

oh come on!
I am not an automobile engineer. To me both are inviting (look similar and ppl say they perform well too). I am partial towards the German machine so I would under all circumstances remain loyal to it.

Point being? contention was if the results are as expected there is no need to question strategy. If results produced by any system is not aligned with the objectives, then there is a serious question on the objectives set.

You're contradicting yourself now- first you demand a long term foreign policy and then you show no patience to wait for it to produce results.
Long term plans take time to produce results you know.

No I am not, I specifcally mentioned the following
"Stated (not to public) objectives both long term and short term. Multiple strategies at different front (diplomatic, military, political, economical) to achieve these objective, Timed review and re-calibration of these strategy"

Foreign policy is not mathematics where 2+2 always produces 4.

In mathematics you come across hordes of indeterminate problems, In any decision making, you have objectives, different way of getting to those objectives. We can trivialize this as much as we want. the bottom line is , optics aside India's pakistan policy has no substantial change from what it was in last 20 years. That is just my observation

How did you get to that conclusion???
Just a humble reminder- this government is merely 19months old.

As I said, this is my observation, not conclusion. If my observations are wrong, then I will be extremely happy.[/QUOTE]

 

[Levina]

Point being? contention was if the results are as expected there is no need to question strategy. If results produced by any system is not aligned with the objectives, then there is a serious question on the objectives set.

Ofcourse I had understood the gist of it.

India's pakistan policy has no substantial change from what it was in last 20 years

You gotta be kidding me!
When was the last time you saw premiers of India and Pakistan sharing such warm relations? I am sanguine that Modi is on the right tracjk.
Their chemistry augurs well for future.

As I said, this is my observation, not conclusion

It's a sceptical attitude.

f my observations are wrong, then I will be extremely happy.[

I hope my prediction doesn't go wrong.

My assumption is, the present Indian govt is convinced that in the India-Pakistan context, more attention is counter productive. So most of the meetings take place away from media's glare.
Remember NSA talks in Bangkok?? and his 'chai pe charcha' in Lahore??
Most of it is kept under wraps.
So you and me can merely speculate about it.
Hope for the best and be prepared for the worst!

 

[MilSpec]

You gotta be kidding me!
When was the last time you saw premiers of India and Pakistan sharing such warm relations? I am sanguine that Modi is on the right tracjk.
Their chemistry augurs well for future.

!

I kid you not.

If the objective was to have warm relations with Pakistan - great it's a big success/

If the objective was to ensure dismantle terror mechanism, cross border firings, active theater of conflict, then should I be celebrating.

 

[Levina]

ve was to ensure dismantle terror mechanism, cross border firings, active theater of conflict, then should I be celebrating

They say something is better than nothing.
Good economic ties could also reduce tensions between the 2 countries.
Deeper commercial ties have helped ease geopolitical tensions between China and neighbors such as Taiwan and Japan...or may be it has prevented any situation from escalating into a war.
Both Indian and Pakistani government lose millions in potential customs revenue to smuggling. Eliminating trade barriers would make goods cheaper for consumers and factories more competitive. Doing business may finally ease border tensions(if all goes well).

 

[Atlanticore]

Frankly speaking.... I don't know.
But something tells me we are on the right path.
(I just hope Pakistan doesn't dupe India this time - fingers crossed).

Taali aik hath sy nahi bajti.

 

[Levina]

Taali aik hath sy nahi bajti.

Not applicable!!!
When a person dupes another person, then it's only his intentions that matters, and not of the person who is going to be victimised.

 

[MilSpec]

Godspeed!

They say something is better than nothing.
Good economic ties could also reduce tensions between the 2 countries.
Deeper commercial ties have helped ease geopolitical tensions between China and neighbors such as Taiwan and Japan...or may be it has prevented any situation from escalating into a war.
Both Indian and Pakistani government lose millions in potential customs revenue to smuggling. Eliminating trade barriers would make goods cheaper for consumers and factories more competitive. Doing business may finally ease border tensions(if all goes well).

 

[Atlanticore]

Not applicable!!!
When a person dupes another person, then it's only his intentions that matters, and not of the person who is going to be victimised.

In case of India, this theory is applicable.
India isn't a home of Angels. Whole Region is quite well aware of India's Proxy Establishment.

 

[Levina]

In case of India, this theory is applicable.
India isn't a home of Angels. Whole Region is quite well aware of India's Proxy Establishment.

Look who's talking.

 

[Atlanticore]

Look who's talking.

Citizen of one of those countries which have been the victim of Indian Proxies.

 

[Levina]

Citizen of one of those countries who have been the victim of Indian Proxies.

I am not in a mood to take baits.


Ciao

 

[Atlanticore]

I am not in a mood to take baits.

Then better stay quiet about criticizing a country which is Co-operating with enemy state regarding their issues.

 

[illusion8]

Ofcourse I had understood the gist of it.


You gotta be kidding me!
When was the last time you saw premiers of India and Pakistan sharing such warm relations? I am sanguine that Modi is on the right tracjk.
Their chemistry augurs well for future.



It's a sceptical attitude.


I hope my prediction doesn't go wrong.

My assumption is, the present Indian govt is convinced that in the India-Pakistan context, more attention is counter productive. So most of the meetings take place away from media's glare.
Remember NSA talks in Bangkok?? and his 'chai pe charcha' in Lahore??
Most of it is kept under wraps.
So you and me can merely speculate about it.
Hope for the best and be prepared for the worst!

Your prediction will go wrong... pakistan cannot dismantle the anti India proxy network simply because too much is at stake. The whole kashmir and anti India, anti Hindu, gazwa narrative is too deeply embedded..quite similar to the good taliban narrative.

GOI is presently more concerned in internal issues, economics and defense ties in with all of the foreign visits. I would say that the Congress runs a better FP then BJP does...The present GOI overall seems clueless in foreign policy matters.

 

[Levina]

I don't want my silence to be mistaken for

Your prediction will go wrong... pakistan cannot dismantle the anti India proxy network simply because too much is at stake. The whole kashmir and anti India, anti Hindu, gazwa narrative is too deeply embedded..quite similar to the good taliban narrative.

No doubt, there are chances of getting back stabbed.

GOI is presently more concerned in internal issues, economics and defense ties in with all of the foreign visits. I would say that the Congress runs a better FP then BJP does...The present GOI overall seems clueless in foreign policy matter

Can't say.
Long term foreign policies take time to produce results.