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Path to peace or minefield?


The writer is a former editor of Dawn.
PAKISTAN is in talks with ‘some groups’ of the TTP, Prime Minister Imran Khan told Turkish state TV that also produces his favourite drama Ertugrul. He did not choose to inform his own country’s parliament first.

Perhaps, he was unsure of the reaction the disclosure would have provoked in parliament so he made it on TRT. For him, this must have appeared a safer option than the prospect of facing a barrage of questions by elected public representatives.

Whether talking to the TTP — or, as the prime minister said, “some groups” that are part of the terrorist entity — is a pragmatic move or one that is rooted in the ideological affinity between those at the helm and those who have attacked the state of Pakistan, not even sparing civilians — women and children — is a question that will need to be answered.

Equally an assessment is needed of the repercussions of a deal with those the state has regularly said have served foreign interests hostile to Pakistan and were no more than murderous puppets in the hands of the Indian security service RAW.

A person opposing something that saves lives must explain his position.

Appearing on Dunya TV at the weekend, former civil servant and Fata/settled districts expert Rustam Shah Mohmand rubbished suggestions that Indian intelligence was behind the TTP attacks. “We found no such evidence,” he told a questioner who referred to official charges of foreign collusion with the terrorists.

Mr Mohmand served in the area for a long time and was also part of the government negotiating team during one failed round of negotiations with the TTP so why is he sticking his neck out like he did? His disclosure leaves one even more confused about who to believe.


The prime minister has said if the TTP terrorists lay down their arms and accept the state’s writ they will be pardoned and allowed to live like ‘normal citizens’. Is this amnesty offer only being made to the TTP or to other groups such as the Baloch separatists too?

By the same token will MNA Ali Wazir be released shortly? He lost 17 members of his family to Taliban violence and is currently imprisoned on the charge of only ‘shooting off his mouth’. God knows what I would have done having had to live with such trauma.

Also, is there a game-plan to deal with the hostile TTP elements who, according to knowledgeable sources, may vastly outnumber those seeking a peace accord? And this question becomes even more poignant now that it is becoming abundantly clear that any thought that TTP would be dealt with by the Afghan Taliban, the allies Pakistan sheltered for years, was delusional.
So, let’s see if more details emerge of the substance of the talks that the prime minister said are taking place on Afghan soil, if and when he briefs parliament. Yes, if and when. Such a briefing is not a foregone conclusion in Pakistan, a parliamentary democracy, in theory at least.

Already in the media, government supporters and TTP sympathisers are citing irrelevant examples of such deals around the world from the Doha accord, paving the way for the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan, to the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland.

I am happy to debate with anyone why such comparisons are invalid and spurious but won’t dive into that in this piece. Don’t get me wrong. Over the past six weeks alone I have watched nearly daily heartbreaking images of our handsome, brave young soldiers who have given the ultimate sacrifice.
Even the coldest hearts would fill with great pain and sorrow thinking of their families, spouses, small children and their mothers. Anything that saves lives ought to be welcome. A person opposing something that saves lives must explain his position.

But we owe it to these men numbering several thousand and their civilian compatriots in much larger numbers who have fallen to these terrorists to ensure that the goals of any peace deal are clearly defined or it will be impossible to stem the bloodshed.

If concessions to militants fuel more intolerance, bigotry and obscurantism then all the sacrifice each Pakistani has made for decades will have been in vain. The prime minister has apparently already assured ‘ulema-i-deen’ that his government will not pass legislation criminalising domestic violence.

He appears to have made a similar commitment on blocking legislation aimed at stopping the forced conversion of minorities. As things stand, even minor, underage girls belonging to the minority community have been abducted and forcefully converted and ‘married’ off to Muslims.

My deepest fear is while pleading the case of Afghan Taliban passionately around the globe and asking for more understanding of the militant group which has now ‘changed and matured’ compared to a quarter century back, Islamabad may be strolling into a domestic nightmare.

Inspired by the ‘grand Taliban win’ next door and the rollout of anti-women policies, some voices are already being heard that are suggesting the same here. With the passage of time and with more concessions being made to extremists they can only gain in strength.

The government’s own authoritarian tendencies evident in multiple unilateral decisions and planned legislation are being strengthened by the fragmented and opportunistic opposition. The PPP has Sindh so does not wish to rock the boat as it fears the consequences of the loss of the provincial government.

The major opposition PML-N is now left oscillating between what leader Nawaz Sharif called ‘mazahimat’ and ‘mufamihat’ (resistance or reconciliation) to get its desired result and, I suspect, will miss the bus, like it did in 2018 following the mufahimat path.

All this as Pakistan inches ever closer to the precipice. One need only look at the state of the economy and political divisions in the country where differences are starting to look like a tribal blood feud. Will anybody heed a plea for sanity?

The writer is a former editor of Dawn.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1649861/path-to-peace-or-minefield
 
When you fight TTP, these creature become unhappy. When you try to make peace deal with some factions, then again these creatures start to criticize.

No matter what you do, these creatures will always criticize. Better to pay no heed to them.

Also, how the hell is a civil servant any authority on this matter? It's the job of intelligence agencies to find and prove linkages to foreign fundings.
 
Tribal will never see anything wrong in other tribals. That's how tribalism works.
His testimony is as good as horse fart.

Yup..horse fart...straight on the face of our dear establishment....and their narrative.

On one hand...our PM is begging them for truce/agreement...on other hand our own people are pointing out that TTP is operating on their own...it will just encourage TTP...I guess it's time to call back Raheel Sharif and launch another Zarb-e-Azb or Radd-ul-fasaad
 
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Yup..horse fart...straight on the face of our dear establishment....and their narrative.

On one hand...out PM is begging them for truce/agreement...on other hand out own people are pointing out that TTP is operating on their own...it will just encourage TTP...I guess it's time to call back Raheel Sharif and launch another Zarb-e-Azb or Radd-ul-fasaad
So...PM asking for a ceasefire is evidence that there was no Indian involvement with TTP and their terrorism in Pakistan?
Also the dozens of Indian consulates In Afghanistan were not funding and training militants for terrorism in Pakistan but distributing چھوہارے۔
تمہاری عقل کو اکیس توپوں کی سلامی
 
So...PM asking for a ceasefire is evidence that there was no Indian involvement with TTP and their terrorism in Pakistan?
Also the dozens of Indian consulates In Afghanistan were not funding and training militants for terrorism in Pakistan but distributing چھوہارے۔
تمہاری عقل کو اکیس توپوں کی سلامی
Mate..let's talk present...what it was in Afghanistan is no more.....We have Taliban (friendly regime there).....but still if TTP attacks are increasing more than what it used to be.....it will be difficult for us to nail it on RAW/NDS ...... either come up with a new story/narrative to blame RAW or sort these TTP out once for all....
 
fart...straight on the face of our dear establishment....and their narrative.
You are basically saying that Rustam Shah Mohammad knows more than DG ISI. I rest my case.
it will be difficult for us to nail it on RAW/NDS
We faced worse attacks from Afghanistan when US was sitting there with all their intel assets on ground and in air. Assuming that Talibs can control all of their country is beyond stupid.
 
You are basically saying that Rustam Shah Mohammad knows more than DG ISI. I rest my case.

We faced worse attacks from Afghanistan when US was sitting there with all their intel assets on ground and in air. Assuming that Talibs can control all of their country is beyond stupid.


So are we saying we still have RAW/NDS etc there in Afghanistan supporting TTP?..... What is the use of having Taliban then?

No I am not saying this Rustam Shah knows more than DG ISI...I am saying signals to TTP such as proposing peace/truce by Prime minister and then people saying TTP does not work with the support of RAW....encourages TTP...they already high in morale as they think if Taliban can defeat a world power, so can we.
 
So are we saying we still have RAW/NDS etc there in Afghanistan supporting TTP?..... What is the use of having Taliban then?
Now ask the same question what was the use of our "ally" US in Afghanistan when we lost more people during their tenure in Afghanistan !
The answer to that question is that Taliban lack the capacity to effectively control a war stricken country and even US will all their resources couldn't do it. The only difference is that with Taliban in Govt it becomes easier for us to deal with terrorists on Afghan soil.
No I am not saying this Rustam Shah knows more than DG ISI...I am saying signals to TTP such as proposing peace/truce by Prime minister and then people saying TTP does not work with the support of RAW....encourages TTP...they already high in morale as they think if Taliban can defeat a world power, so can we
I am 100% with you on that we should not offer peace to these rats on our own instead they should have begged for peace.
 
Mate..let's talk present...what it was in Afghanistan is no more.....We have Taliban (friendly regime there).....but still if TTP attacks are increasing more than what it used to be.....it will be difficult for us to nail it on RAW/NDS ...... either come up with a new story/narrative to blame RAW or sort these TTP out once for all....
We have plenty of India influenced and paid for stooges in Pakistan too, all the way into the parliament.
So, changing channel from inside Afghanistan to within Pakistan isn't difficult for India.
After all Benazir Bhutto was the one who stated terrorism in Karachi and ethnic riots, with help from foreign stake holders, just to make general Zia and later nawaz sharif, look bad.
Plenty of other examples exist.
 
Path to peace or minefield?


The writer is a former editor of Dawn.
PAKISTAN is in talks with ‘some groups’ of the TTP, Prime Minister Imran Khan told Turkish state TV that also produces his favourite drama Ertugrul. He did not choose to inform his own country’s parliament first.

Perhaps, he was unsure of the reaction the disclosure would have provoked in parliament so he made it on TRT. For him, this must have appeared a safer option than the prospect of facing a barrage of questions by elected public representatives.

Whether talking to the TTP — or, as the prime minister said, “some groups” that are part of the terrorist entity — is a pragmatic move or one that is rooted in the ideological affinity between those at the helm and those who have attacked the state of Pakistan, not even sparing civilians — women and children — is a question that will need to be answered.

Equally an assessment is needed of the repercussions of a deal with those the state has regularly said have served foreign interests hostile to Pakistan and were no more than murderous puppets in the hands of the Indian security service RAW.



Appearing on Dunya TV at the weekend, former civil servant and Fata/settled districts expert Rustam Shah Mohmand rubbished suggestions that Indian intelligence was behind the TTP attacks. “We found no such evidence,” he told a questioner who referred to official charges of foreign collusion with the terrorists.

Mr Mohmand served in the area for a long time and was also part of the government negotiating team during one failed round of negotiations with the TTP so why is he sticking his neck out like he did? His disclosure leaves one even more confused about who to believe.


The prime minister has said if the TTP terrorists lay down their arms and accept the state’s writ they will be pardoned and allowed to live like ‘normal citizens’. Is this amnesty offer only being made to the TTP or to other groups such as the Baloch separatists too?

By the same token will MNA Ali Wazir be released shortly? He lost 17 members of his family to Taliban violence and is currently imprisoned on the charge of only ‘shooting off his mouth’. God knows what I would have done having had to live with such trauma.

Also, is there a game-plan to deal with the hostile TTP elements who, according to knowledgeable sources, may vastly outnumber those seeking a peace accord? And this question becomes even more poignant now that it is becoming abundantly clear that any thought that TTP would be dealt with by the Afghan Taliban, the allies Pakistan sheltered for years, was delusional.
So, let’s see if more details emerge of the substance of the talks that the prime minister said are taking place on Afghan soil, if and when he briefs parliament. Yes, if and when. Such a briefing is not a foregone conclusion in Pakistan, a parliamentary democracy, in theory at least.

Already in the media, government supporters and TTP sympathisers are citing irrelevant examples of such deals around the world from the Doha accord, paving the way for the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan, to the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland.

I am happy to debate with anyone why such comparisons are invalid and spurious but won’t dive into that in this piece. Don’t get me wrong. Over the past six weeks alone I have watched nearly daily heartbreaking images of our handsome, brave young soldiers who have given the ultimate sacrifice.
Even the coldest hearts would fill with great pain and sorrow thinking of their families, spouses, small children and their mothers. Anything that saves lives ought to be welcome. A person opposing something that saves lives must explain his position.

But we owe it to these men numbering several thousand and their civilian compatriots in much larger numbers who have fallen to these terrorists to ensure that the goals of any peace deal are clearly defined or it will be impossible to stem the bloodshed.

If concessions to militants fuel more intolerance, bigotry and obscurantism then all the sacrifice each Pakistani has made for decades will have been in vain. The prime minister has apparently already assured ‘ulema-i-deen’ that his government will not pass legislation criminalising domestic violence.

He appears to have made a similar commitment on blocking legislation aimed at stopping the forced conversion of minorities. As things stand, even minor, underage girls belonging to the minority community have been abducted and forcefully converted and ‘married’ off to Muslims.

My deepest fear is while pleading the case of Afghan Taliban passionately around the globe and asking for more understanding of the militant group which has now ‘changed and matured’ compared to a quarter century back, Islamabad may be strolling into a domestic nightmare.

Inspired by the ‘grand Taliban win’ next door and the rollout of anti-women policies, some voices are already being heard that are suggesting the same here. With the passage of time and with more concessions being made to extremists they can only gain in strength.

The government’s own authoritarian tendencies evident in multiple unilateral decisions and planned legislation are being strengthened by the fragmented and opportunistic opposition. The PPP has Sindh so does not wish to rock the boat as it fears the consequences of the loss of the provincial government.

The major opposition PML-N is now left oscillating between what leader Nawaz Sharif called ‘mazahimat’ and ‘mufamihat’ (resistance or reconciliation) to get its desired result and, I suspect, will miss the bus, like it did in 2018 following the mufahimat path.

All this as Pakistan inches ever closer to the precipice. One need only look at the state of the economy and political divisions in the country where differences are starting to look like a tribal blood feud. Will anybody heed a plea for sanity?

The writer is a former editor of Dawn.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1649861/path-to-peace-or-minefield
Few things the person mentioned served in 1999 when TTP wasn't even a thing and negotiation happened around 2010. R&AW was given a free hand post 2015.

It was R&AW who tried and brought many groups together in TTP during 2019 and 2020.

Same way it was R&AW which brought Baloch terrorist groups together to create BRAS.

Lastly few months back the area of Kandhar where BLA fighters were trained was geo tagged. Near Mandirs and Indian consulate.
Mate..let's talk present...what it was in Afghanistan is no more.....We have Taliban (friendly regime there).....but still if TTP attacks are increasing more than what it used to be.....it will be difficult for us to nail it on RAW/NDS ...... either come up with a new story/narrative to blame RAW or sort these TTP out once for all....
Attacks have increased due to morale boost from Taliban victory. But it is not just that they are desperate to get some area to settle in now that Taliban are in Afghanistan and they will not get any area to settle.
 
We have plenty of India influenced and paid for stooges in Pakistan too, all the way into the parliament.
So, changing channel from inside Afghanistan to within Pakistan isn't difficult for India.
After all Benazir Bhutto was the one who stated terrorism in Karachi and ethnic riots, with help from foreign stake holders, just to make general Zia and later nawaz sharif, look bad.
Plenty of other examples exist.

So you mean..whatever the situation may be ...India is all over our country....and can do whatever it wants....what the hell is our agencies doing then....You sound like we are too weak and have surrendered ......
 
So you mean..whatever the situation may be ...India is all over our country....and can do whatever it wants....what the hell is our agencies doing then....You sound like we are too weak and have surrendered ......

When did you become Pakistani?
 
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