Partying with jihadis

[django]

It's worthy of a separate thread but in this thread it's just a distraction. As the author notes, it was Pakistan that took it upon itself to start employing jihadis in the subcontinent, not the U.S. This includes, by the way, the Afghan insurgency, which began in the 1970s as Z.A.B.'s brainchild to destabilize the Daoud government: link

Says the @Solomon2 chap whose government created Hamas
@The Sandman it is well known Brzezinski and co wanted to prop up radical Islamist in Afghanistan in order to make the USSR nervous as adjacent to Afghanistan where Muslim areas comprising of Tajiks, Uzbeks and Turkmens, they new the USSR would not allow Islamist influence to make its way into those areas hence the USSR decision to send in advisers and so on.......we know how it all played out in the end.
@Solomon2 end apartheid in Israel as you have become a pariah to the vast majority of humanity.Shalom!

 

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[Arsalan]

This is not an English language competition and anyway you got the point so what's the problem

the problem is that he do not have an answer to this.

 

[LadyFinger]

The OP guy needs 'naswar', that would open his mind for a brief amount of time.

the problem is that he do not have an answer to this.

 

[The Sandman]

the problem is that he do not have an answer to this.

Exactly

 

[M.AsfandYar]

the problem is that he do not have an answer to this.

When DOES HE EVER HAS AN ANSWER TO ANYTHING?
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[I.R.A]

In the same year, files recovered from Osama bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad reportedly revealed that as Punjab chief minister Shahbaz Sharif suggested the Pakistan government was ready to re-establish “normal relations” with the Pakistani Taliban as long as it did not conduct operations in Punjab.

Shahbaz Sharif CM of Punjab province suggesting on behalf of then PPP government .................. well hmmmmm you could not resist to fart as usual.

And while the military is often criticised for sponsoring jihadis, it’s only fair to point out that the politicians have themselves repeatedly appeased them.

So clearing FATA, clearing Swat, and agencies all happened by itself because Pakistan army and politicians were all trying to appease TTP.

Article Published August 25, 2016 when Pakistan is looking to secure its border with Afghanistan, discussing border mechanism with US ambassador and Armed forces representatives, somebody writing for Dawn is still stuck in what happened a decade ago.

 

[Imran Khan]

yeah we created ISIS

 

[WaLeEdK2]

This guys propaganda threads are starting to get on my nerves.

 

[MilSpec]

Forgot something ?

or may be check some more, internet is full of info, just in case someone forgot
CIA Helped to Train and Support Bin Laden, Ramzi Yousef

And what UK is doing by keeping Iltaf Hussain there ? and what Indian agents are doing Afghanistan and Pakistani Balochistan ? Is only a man with beard falls under definition of terrorist ?

Open your both eyes, not just one that looks toward Pakistan army !

Same logic

 

[I.R.A]

Same logic

You don't see a difference between two Pakistanis sitting together and a foreign (Afghan) Founding father addressing American journalists or awam in US?

 

[!eon]

I can share more important picture of him, taken in 48.

He was among the first sardars of Baluchistan who decided to be with Pakistan after partition.
Later became governor of Baluchistan. Then assassinated by someone on political differences. Court had issued arrest warrants of Pervez Musharraf in his murder case. His relatives still hold key positions in govt. What is your point of sharing his pic ?

Same logic

 

[Arsalan]

No dear its a fact.

Gulbuddin Hekmatyar enrolled in 1970 to Kabul University department of engineering. Although he did not graduate Gulbuddin Hekmatyar got the nickname ‘Hekmatyar Engineer’. As a student he was known in his extreme approach toward Islam and for throwing acid on female students who didn’t wear the veil. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was also a member in the illegal Muslim Youth group. In 1972 Gulbuddin Hekmatyar murdered a Maoist student and was sentenced to jail. In 1974 he got amnesty by the new PM Daoud Khan and fled Afghanistan to Pakistan, where he established contact with the Pakistani intelligence – ISI. Daoud Khan advocated the formation of a Pashtu based state, which would include also North-West Pakistan and cause tension with the Pakistani Regime.

Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was authorized by the Pakistani General Naseerullah Babar, then governor of the NWFP – North West Frontier provinces, and with the blessing of President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, to set up camps to train Hekmatyar’s followers and other anti-Daoud Islamists in order to fight Daoud Khan in Afghanistan. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar also founded in 1975, with ISI in the background, the Hezb-i islami (Islamic Party) which was basically a small neglected group, one of many in the conglomerate of Islamic groups created by the notorious Pakistani Intelligence – ISI.

When the Russians invaded Afghanistan in 1979, radical Gulbuddin Hekmatyar found himself supported by the American CIA with money and weapons in order to use his Militia against the Russians. Indeed Gulbuddin Hekmatyar became one of the most prominent anti-Russians guerilla commanders in the Afghan war, which lasted up to 1989. He was notorious for constantly quarreling with other guerilla leaders and for his large scale drug business.

Sir you are ignoring that related history that dates back to the years BEFORE Pakistan was even born. There was no sinister plan to destabilize Afghanistan from Pakistani side.

The unrest in Afghanistan is not something that WE created. People need to understand that there were traditionally two forces at work in Afghanistan for quite a few years. The tribes/people from those northers states, the Uzbek/Tajiks and others. They never adjusted well with the Pashtuns so the differences were ALWAYS there.

Daoud was educated in the west and had somewhat secular views. He did re initiated that Pashtun movement in order to get the Pathans of Afghanistan and Pakistan together and proclaim all that land (that is NWFP). It was more of an attempt to get those people join Afghanistan rather than a purely nationalist movement for Pathans however it did had that adverse effect. Those northern tribes took that as a Pashtun movement and were uncomfortable by the increased Pashtun influence and thus the unrest grew. Remember, there were internal rifts and unrest in the area. Also it is a well-known fact that in the 60s Daoud was responsible for sending troops into our north western areas and Pashtun belt to manipulate those Pathan tribes but they were beaten badly and ran back. We closed the borders and Afghanistan felt the heat because of being a land locked country. He did sort of reunited the Pashtun movement but it the roots can be traced to times before Pakistan was even created and when Daoud restarted it in the 50s/60s it was primarily a move to include our NWFP region and tribes in Afghanistan. Those plans were cut short after the infiltrators were not met with open arms as they would have thought and rather got a beating of a life time and also since Daoud resigned after the new constitution by the King and because the Tajiks, all that time, felt that it will further undermine there importance in national politics so they were hatching plans of there own against the regime.

He did came back later however after he threw there king out, decided to be friend with the communists and started training terrorists for cross border activity in NWFP as well as Baluchistan, again, a very well know fact. However Tajiks and Uzbeks were not very friendly to the regime because of the reasons stated earlier and a LARGE part of Pashtuns were not comfortable either because of those secular and then communist friendly attitude. The communist influence was growing, the Afghans pathans were not happy either, the west was not happy as well. One thing lead to another and we TOGETHER with west started supporting that anti-Daoud faction in order to stop those attacks in our land. The unrest and dissatisfaction WITHIN Afghanistan grew so much that the Ruskies decided enough is enough, their stooge is no longer able to handle the situation and in came the bear! Rest is what we all know!

The reason we supported Mujahedeen’s in Afghanistan was NOT only that they were Muslim Jihadi or that we were afraid Russians will be coming to us next but also because we were part of that anti-Russia/Communist western block! Stating it as if it a Pakistan specif decision and was taken to simply destabilize Afghanistan is unfair and overlooking all the facts.

 

[MilSpec]

I can share more important picture of him, taken in 48.

He was among the first sardars of Baluchistan who decided to be with Pakistan after partition.
Later became governor of Baluchistan. Then assassinated by someone on political differences. Court had issued arrest warrants of Pervez Musharraf in his murder case. His relatives still hold key positions in govt. What is your point of sharing his pic ?

Without understanding the entymology of taliban(not mujahideen), it is idiotic to post fractional representation of Mujhahideen leaders who went on toally with taliban who became one of the most tyrannical rulers of Afghanistan.

There is a big difference between what Haqqani/hekymetyaar represented during Soviet period, compared to how they allied with Mullah omar when he backed by pakistani military took over kabul.

You don't see a difference between two Pakistanis sitting together and a foreign (Afghan) Founding father addressing American journalists or awam in US?

What I see is a a representative of the mujhahideen that fought against soviets, a strategy that aligned with the IS at that given time. The same clan later went on to support the ISI backed Mullah Omar to consolidate the most heinous regime known to mankind since the dark ages.

 

[!eon]

Without understanding the entymology of taliban(not mujahideen), it is idiotic to post fractional representation of Mujhahideen leaders who went on toally with taliban who became one of the most tyrannical rulers of Afghanistan.

There is a big difference between what Haqqani/hekymetyaar represented during Soviet period, compared to how they allied with Mullah omar when he backed by pakistani military took over kabul.

Kindly answer post 27, then we will go further on discussion.
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