Panama Leaks: SC observes it is being swamped with petitions everyday

[PakSword]

More possible defense can be similar letters with similar contents, they can't backtrack from their stance they have taken in the court.

My God.. So they will still have a chance to bring more of such letters and personal statements? Will this case end before the real judgement day?

 

[Realistic Change]

Nothing will be proved - because it is not in the interest of the ruling elite to prove their partners in crime as wrong and shake the foundation of the entire building on which the ruling elite sits and up from there - the view of the state of affairs of Pakistan is - Beautiful.

 

[Emmie]

My God.. So they will still have a chance to bring more of such letters and personal statements? Will this case end before the real judgement day?

Welcome to the state of Pakistan where Shurfas don't get convicted.

 

[Realistic Change]

My God.. So they will still have a chance to bring more of such letters and personal statements? Will this case end before the real judgement day?

Yes - and now letters will be something like this:

- In 1970 a Prince of Persia gave money to Prince of Kuwait to give that money to Prince of Pakistan (Mr. Sharif) whose will be executed after his death with beneficiaries to be sons and daughters of Nawaz Sharif.

The above will also be admissible by our honorable SCP.

 

[PakSword]

Yes - and now letters will be something like this:

- In 1970 a Prince of Persia gave money to Prince of Kuwait to give that money to Prince of Pakistan (Mr. Sharif) whose will be executed after his death with beneficiaries to be sons and daughters of Nawaz Sharif.

The above will also be admissible by our honorable SCP.

Lolz.. I have also been living in middle east for the past 8 years, but no one has given me a single dime.. Don't know what does our PM do!

 

[Knight Rider]

PTI whoe case is based on what Nawaz Sharif brings on the table. Even on the money laundering case, Prosecutors have no concrete evidence to back with. I have feeling that Nawaz Sharif's story might check out given the personal recommendation of Qatar. Bear in mind, once the story checks out, then it boils down to the prosecutors to validate their stand [money laundering] based on the concrete evidence.

The case could have ended today if Prosecutors did have concrete evidence. I am afraid this might be futile experience since the whole case is depending on what Nawaz Sharif brings on the table rather proving Nawaz Sharif guilty by concrete evidence.

At the end after the story checks out, then the accused party can still claim 'innocent until proven guilty', and right now, the accused party is innocent. The guilty part goes to the prosecutors to prove.

Ok i want you to see and read the letter submitted by Akram Sheikh again:

1.Can you find the specific date & month of transaction other than the Date on which the letter was issued 5 Nov 2016 ?

2. Can you find the account number in which the money was transacted ?

3. Can you find the Bank name in which the transaction was made ?

4. How can SC trust the letter of Qatari Prince and what his credibility, whose name is also present in Panama Leaks Documentation ?

5. What is the money trail and the source of Income ?

If there is no money trail than that's means this money was launder through some illegal means, which is a serious crime according to Anti-Money Laundering Act 2007 and if the PM is found guilt, than article 62 and 63 of Pakistani Constitution will also come into action and according to Justice Aijaz-ul-Haq remarks; "if Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is found lying on Parliamentary floor by any means, than this will have serious Consequences".

Here is article 62 and 63 of Pakistan Constitution;
http://www.article6263.com/save-pakistan/text-from-the-constitution-article-62-63/

 

[tarrar]

The fact is, ganja league & gadari party are one & both are finding ways for the survival of corruption & DEMOCRAZY. PTI is just making one mistake after another as they are amateurs & trust corrupt system more than strike against corruption & DEMOCRAZY.

Nothing is going to happen to ganja family & corruption will survive to harm Pakistan.

 

[HAIDER]

Ok i want you to see and read the letter submitted by Akram Sheikh again:

1.Can you find the specific date & month of transaction other than the Date on which the letter was issued 5 Nov 2016 ?

2. Can you find the account number in which the money was transacted ?

3. Can you find the Bank name in which the transaction was made ?

4. How can SC trust the letter of Qatari Prince and what his credibility, whose name is also present in Panama Leaks Documentation ?

5. What is the money trail and the source of Income ?

If there is no money trail than that's means this money was launder through some illegal means, which is a serious crime according to Anti-Money Laundering Act 2007 and if the PM is found guilt, than article 62 and 63 of Pakistani Constitution will also come into action and according to Justice Aijaz-ul-Haq remarks; "if Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is found lying on Parliamentary floor by any means, than this will have serious Consequences".

Here is article 62 and 63 of Pakistan Constitution;
http://www.article6263.com/save-pakistan/text-from-the-constitution-article-62-63/

In the mean time they will fabricate the documents and numbers.

The fact is, ganja league & gadari party are one & both are finding ways for the survival of corruption & DEMOCRAZY. PTI is just making one mistake after another as they are amateurs & trust corrupt system more than strike against corruption & DEMOCRAZY.

Nothing is going to happen to ganja family & corruption will survive to harm Pakistan.

PPP little SOB busy to pressurize to expel Ch Nisar, to get relief for his father crime through clearing Ayan and Dr Asim. Dr Asim is the biggest witness against Zardari.

 

[Finer]

Prince letter


Yes decree can be validated, Sharifs can show shenanigans but can't deny the fact which outrightly rejects prince statement.

More possible defense can be similar letters with similar contents, they can't backtrack from their stance they have taken in the court.

Not me. Prove it to the court. According to the court, most of evidences presented by PTI are intangible evidence at best. Since i am not part of the legal team of either, the best source for us right now is the proceeding of the court which will be displayed later if any.

Again, i have heard all the things that has been deemed speculative at best, or better yet, intangible evidence if the evidence you are talking about has been posted registered in the court as part of evidence material.

I mentioned that same to him. @Fallen King Sir ji, yesterday was a bad day for PTI lawyers as a lot of time has been wasted. But it doesn't mean that they have lost any ground. Hamads statement will be blown away the moment it is cross examined with contradictory evidences available with PTI.

And guess what, the judgement is rather easy to to validate, unlike bank accounts and property documents.

Just tell me, what other defenses PMLN can bring, once Hamad's statement is gone?

From what i have heard, the case is based on the money laundering. I don't know if the case can be interchangeable with the other charge that is yet to be registered.

Of course the prosecutors can cross examine the defendant party, but based on what the defendant party has brought to the table; documented evidence, personal recommendation of Qatar,...etc.

At the end if they check out which is very likely despite what you may not believe, then it boils down to the final part which is concrete evidence prosecutors have to provide since they did make allegation.

Even on the money laundering, after the defendant's story checks out which is more likely, then the defendant will remain innocent until proven guilty. That will be final coffin for either.

Welcome to the state of Pakistan where Shurfas don't get convicted.

It is same state of Pakistan where innocents get jailed for wrong allegations too; enter Blasphemy law.

 

[Knight Rider]

Mubashar Lucman views on Qatari prince letter to bail out NS.

 

[PakSword]

At the end if they check out which is very likely

Even on the money laundering, after the defendant's story checks out which is more likely

Sir ji can't do anything about "main na manoon" attitude of yours.

Several times myself and other members have told you that PTI has not objected to the Hamad's self declaration yet that is all based on the "suni sunai baatain". Let me tell you what PTI has to get this statement rejected:

1 - The character of the person is very important when it comes to accepting evidences. Your guys name is also appearing in Stolen Asset Recovery database. He returned 7 million pounds as well that were believed to be earned through illegal commissions and kickbacks.

2 - Hamads statement can't be considered due to the fact that their are several evidences available with, and submitted to court, by PTI. Only one document, that is the judgement, a decree, against Sharifs is available that is dated 1999. So Mr. Hamad (another pathological liar) statement that the settlement of the properties happened in 2006 will be considered a false statement. PMLN has not submitted any transfer deed, settlement documents etc dated 2006 to substantiate the personal statement of a random guy named Hamad.

3 - There are other evidences that PTI has yet to obtain and they are obtaining to make this case strong. One such evidence that they are looking for is the ownership of Neilson and Nescol before 2006. Since they are not authorized to obtain such documents in UK due to privacy laws without a court order or government request, it is taking time. It was the task of NAB to obtain such documents but the institution is not working as noticed by court in yesterday's proceedings as well.

Anyway, in the presence of court decree, this evidence is not required to prove the random guys statement wrong. PTI needs to establish that the companies were under Sharifs ownership in 1993 and flats were under these companies ownership as well from that date.

4 - There is another document dated 2001 that says that the "beneficial owner" of the companies is your Shahzadi sahiba. PTI needs to get the attested copy of this document and they are getting it. Thanks God it is UK document otherwise record would have already been burnt.


Now if again you believe that the RANDOM GUYs statement stands a chance in court, I will only trust you if the judges turn out to be sissy later. This has happened countless times in our history.

One more thing to clear the picture, ONLY ONE JUDGE HAS MADE SUCH REMARKS like newspapers, pkora, alif laila etc etc. Sanity is still prevailing among the majority which you guys are ignoring.

By the way, yesterday your Vakeel Akram Shaikh suddenly stood up and said Hassan Nawaz owned the apartments in 1999. Read the judges remarks after that.

Was your vakeel smoking something? He contradicted the RANDOM GUYs statement himself in the court.

 

[Emmie]

Not me. Prove it to the court. According to the court, most of evidences presented by PTI are intangible evidence at best. Since i am not part of the legal team of either, the best source for us right now is the proceeding of the court which will be displayed later if any.

Again, i have heard all the things that has been deemed speculative at best, or better yet, intangible evidence if the evidence you are talking about has been posted registered in the court as part of evidence material.

Alright, so just like Qatari prince you're also resorting to assumptions based on hearsay! For you information the court yesterday acknowledged the interest Sharif family had in property. Han judgement se interest tau zahir hota hay, exact wordings.

 

[Farah Sohail]

My analysis:

Yesterday was a very sad day for Pakistanis.

The delay was intentional by PTI. Everyone was involved (excluding SC). An offer is being made to PTI, for 2018 elections, in return of losing/ or taking back the case.

The case is so easy for PTI to win that judges knew and reminded PTIs councel several times to focus on the matter and refer to the right evidences. For example, court expected PTIs councel to raise questions on authenticity of Qatari letter and request court to cross question the prince. Court also expected PTIs councel to bring the 1999 judgement of a UK court that shows the loan was secured against London properties. This would have made the Qatari prince's self declaration, a false declaration in front of the court.

All big figures are going to UK to discuss this offer. I don't believe IK will fall into web of such a deceit. In Shaa Allah.

No... This is not the case..abt 2018 elections...... Many channels were reoprting tht Imran khan is going for documents related to those mayfair flats.. So tht he can have tht thos saboot.... And tht, he has had some sort of access to those.... And also, Sheikh Rasheed is also going with him, while Shah Mahmood is already there......

Its hamid khan, who is the main problem .... His loyalty / competence is in question...

 

[PakSword]

No... This is not the case..abt 2018 elections...... Many channels were reoprting tht Imran khan is going for documents related to those mayfair flats.. So tht he can have tht thos saboot.... And tht, he has had some sort of access to those.... And also, Sheikh Rasheed is also going with him, while Shah Mahmood is already there......

Its hamid khan, who is the main problem .... His loyalty / competence is in question...

Let's see. It was not that bad yesterday. PTI hasn't lost anything other than some days...

 

[Farah Sohail]

Let's see. It was not that bad yesterday. PTI hasn't lost anything other than some days...

But as CJ remarked, tht i think we will have to form some commission...if tht happens...then the case is over and matti pao....It will be a never ending case...and CJ is retiring on 30th dec.... New bench will have to be made then...so it will take much more time... The decision of this case must come before 30th dec...... But as CJ is inclined towards commission( dont know...for what reason) it will not be possible then.... So the damage is done in yesterday's hearing