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November se pehlay muamla serious thaa... Uss waqt ki press releases uss waqt ke hisaab se theen.. Aaj ke press releases aaj ke hisaab say hain...

Kal kia hoga, no one knows. But there is a general discomfort...


ISPR was active more than needed during period of Gen(R) Raheel Shareef. Asim Bajwa was involved in marketing and media management. His kids were tweeting Anti-Gov't posts for overthrowing the regime. The day he was transferred, kids turned their profiles on secret mode. I am not defending NS Gov't but the point is ISPR crossed its limits in that era. Producing movies was another move by ISPR and Lt.Gen Bajwa in particular
 
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Suno logon...mer baat suno....

Main tu tang aagayi hoon, topi dramas se... acha pagal banaya hua hai...awaam ko...sab ne mil kar

Aaj COAS jo kharian gaye thay..aur ISPR ki press release aayi hai.. us main officially tu kuch nahi hai...lekin tv channels par "sources" ke through ye baat aarahi hai ke army officers ne "dawn leaks" aur rana sanaullah ke military courts ke hawalay se statement par sawaalat uthaye...

ye channels ko ye baat batayi jaa rahi hai.. matlab ke humein ek baar phir bewaqoof banaya jaaraha hai ke abhi dawn leaks bhoolay nahi hain... agar wahan sawaal ho hi gaya tha..tu channels ko batany ki kia zuroorat? kiun phir se bewaqoof banaya jaaraha hai? pehle bhi kahin suna tha...pata nahi kahan...lekin suna tu tha ..ke kisi ne kaha hai ke ye national security breach hai.... us par kuch nahi hua..tu ab kiya hoga? bas awam ko bewaqoof banany ke tareeqe...

@PakSword

Sources are unknown hence no authentication w.r.t. whatever being reported by Channel. However, national security breach case is not compromised at all except the specific lobby is propagating against Military in this case so the people may outburst contrary to the fact. It is not necessary that ISPR may release each & every development in this case to the public. Once the investigation is done, people will read about the same as Military is not in such fashion of point scoring at all. Mere avoid to buy not everything from media can help a lot to understand the development. National Security is the interest of whole nation and all institutes and PA is an institution that works upon a system unlike the King's command from political office with all individual decisions.
 
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Once the investigation is done, .

every channel is quoting it.through sources ..tht officers asked COAS, abt dawn leaks and abt the statement of Rana Sanaullah on military courts

@bold.. yes.. plz tell..how much time will these investigations of dawn leakstake? whole lifetime? will those be completed in our lifetime? initially committee was given 1 month..then extended for 1 more month... now more than 2 months passed...now where is the report of tht committee?
 
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@Farah Sohail

This... I was telling you... :)

I think we were hallucinating when we read tht statement of breach of national security... some aliens came in the guise of corps comm at tht meeting , after which tht statement was issued of breach of national security... now...everyone has come back to their senses and hence suddenly everyone has realized tht there was no national security breach at all
 
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I think we were hallucinating when we read tht statement of breach of national security... some aliens came in the guise of corps comm at tht meeting , after which tht statement was issued of breach of national security... now...everyone has come back to their senses and hence suddenly everyone has realized tht there was no national security breach at all

اپنی جان ہلکان نہ کریں- چھوڑیں اور مٹی ڈال کر دفن کردیں- اگر چھوٹے آفیسرز کا پریشر کام کرگیا تو شاید کچھ ہوجاے مگر ایسا ہوتا نظر نہیں آتا
 
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every channel is quoting it.through sources ..tht officers asked COAS, abt dawn leaks and abt the statement of Rana Sanaullah on military courts

@bold.. yes.. plz tell..how much time will these investigations of dawn leakstake? whole lifetime? will those be completed in our lifetime? initially committee was given 1 month..then extended for 1 more month... now more than 2 months passed...now where is the report of tht committee?

Channels are also campaign house for different masters so until & unless, it is not officially released, no need to take it the way it is propagated. The Dawn leak and other matters will not be put under carpet like how culprits are trying to propagate contrary to the facts though, everything is not made public due to many reasons.

Do not expect initial report to be shared to the public but final only.

@Farah Sohail

This... I was telling you... :)

Read the post again, thanks for quoting that I re-read. Missed to mention a word in my post that totally made it like what media houses propagated. The case of National Security is not compromised at all that few people are trying to paint it as Pro-NS Military etc giving leverage to the leader.

now...everyone has come back to their senses and hence suddenly everyone has realized tht there was no national security breach at all


Case is not closed as of yet. Beware of media warfare and propagation.
 
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Channels are also campaign house for different masters so until & unless, it is not officially released, no need to take it the way it is propagated. The Dawn leak and other matters will not be put under carpet like how culprits are trying to propagate contrary to the facts though, everything is not made public due to many reasons.

Do not expect initial report to be shared to the public but final only.



Read the post again, thanks for quoting that I re-read. Missed to mention a word in my post that totally made it like what media houses propagated. The case of National Security is not compromised at all that few people are trying to paint it as Pro-NS Military etc giving leverage to the leader.




Case is not closed as of yet. Beware of media warfare and propagation.
Not one channel reported that. Many channels reported it. It means that it was a controlled leak/feed.
 
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Not one channel reported that. Many channels reported it. It means that it was a controlled leak/feed.

I am waiting for credible source for that in public domain. A single ISPR tweet regarding the meeting couldn't cover much of information but it can be released soon with details. From another angle, is it some sort of media pressure building in this subject to force Military to share the details publicly which are yet kept under wraps. We all know, CC meeting and a leak, does not fit the bill here at all so either it is happened or it is fake.
 
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I am waiting for credible source for that in public domain. A single ISPR tweet regarding the meeting couldn't cover much of information but it can be released soon with details. From another angle, is it some sort of media pressure building in this subject to force Military to share the details publicly which are yet kept under wraps. We all know, CC meeting and a leak, does not fit the bill here at all so either it is happened or it is fake.
It won't be said officially that COAS was asked by Brigadier, Major or some Jawan and COAS replied like that.

I have opened separate thread. Lets take it there.
@Farah Sohail @war&peace @PakSword
 
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Suno logon...mer baat suno....

Main tu tang aagayi hoon, topi dramas se... acha pagal banaya hua hai...awaam ko...sab ne mil kar

Aaj COAS jo kharian gaye thay..aur ISPR ki press release aayi hai.. us main officially tu kuch nahi hai...lekin tv channels par "sources" ke through ye baat aarahi hai ke army officers ne "dawn leaks" aur rana sanaullah ke military courts ke hawalay se statement par sawaalat uthaye...

ye channels ko ye baat batayi jaa rahi hai.. matlab ke humein ek baar phir bewaqoof banaya jaaraha hai ke abhi dawn leaks bhoolay nahi hain... agar wahan sawaal ho hi gaya tha..tu channels ko batany ki kia zuroorat? kiun phir se bewaqoof banaya jaaraha hai? pehle bhi kahin suna tha...pata nahi kahan...lekin suna tu tha ..ke kisi ne kaha hai ke ye national security breach hai.... us par kuch nahi hua..tu ab kiya hoga? bas awam ko bewaqoof banany ke tareeqe...

@PakSword

Your post and news in undermentioned thread. The details are, actually this is not a leak but a news about questions asked during session by Juniors to COAS and also, as per the same news COAS replied/discussed the same in details which verifies that Dawn Leak etc matters are not put on halt/dead but still active.

https://defence.pk/threads/officers-ask-coas-bajwa-about-dawn-leaks.472220/
 
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Burden of proof lies with PM: SC
* PM’s counsel denies his client has anything to do with London flats * Bench says ‘some pages of book of PM’s life might be missing’

By: Syed Sabeehul Hussnain
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ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court Justice Ijazul Hassan on Thursday observed that the prime minister had recognised the Dubai mills and said all records are available.

"Now the burden of proof is on you," he told the PM's counsel Makhdoom Ali Khan during the hearing of Panamagate corruption scandal.

The PM's lawyer told the larger bench that Nawaz is not answerable for his sons' businesses as he has no role in the family's financial matter.

"So far prime minister is concerned; he has no company in British Virgin Island or tax haven nor is he shareholder or director of any of the companies," said Khan, adding that his client has never been beneficial owner of any such companies.

He argued that the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) lawyer had contended for the premier's disqualification on the basis of "mere contradictions".

Referring to the PM's speeches on state-run TV channel and in parliament, he argued that the PM in the speeches gave an overview of his family business started in 1937, prior to the PM's birth.

He said the PM's father Mian Sharif was in-charge of all financial matters, adding that Nawaz had never been the director of Gulf Steel Mills and the mill was started purely on debts.

He argued that the PM's speeches clearly tell that his father started businesses which are not a lie under Article 62 and 63, adding that the petitioners are only interpreting the wordings of speeches, which were in Urdu.

He told the bench that the PM, in his speech, said his life is like an open book.

To this, Justice Asif Saeed Khosa, who is heading larger bench, remarked that some pages of this book seem to be missing.

Justice Azmat Saeed said the case is contradictions between statements.

To which the PM's lawyer said that there were certain omissions in the speeches which should not have been made.

Khan told the bench that this is the court which will determine whether any inadvertence is lie and whether any omission is suppression because this will become law for the lawmakers.

Justice Khosa observed that they are conscious of all these matters because the judgement will set a precedent.

Khan said that after the death of Mian Sharif, his grandson became the custodian of property.

To this, Justice Ijazul Ahsan told Makhdoom that Nawaz himself admitted that all the record is with him, adding that he addressed a written statement so the onus of proof is on respondents (the Sharifs).

"Basic question is that we have to determine the truth not by the statements but the statements backed by documents," he observed.

The court observed that both the parties are not revealing the truth which, ultimately, is hindrance in finding the reality. The court also observed that it has been hearing the case within the inquisitorial jurisdiction, adding that if matter of disqualification is raised under Article 62 (f) then the matter would also witness the implications of Article 66, which states that parliament proceedings could never be challenged in any court of law.

Justice Khosa observed that the PM's explanation does not clarify the matter; on the other hand, no one can explain the money trail except the respondents. He observed that the PM's counsel has to satisfy the court.

He also observed that Nawaz has failed to give any reference about Qatari investments in his speech, adding that if there were some omissions in the PM's speech, should it be termed as a lie or half-truth?

However, he further observed, that in some cases the evidences are not directly present which are decided on circumstantial evidences.

"Whatever has been produced before us could it be considered as evidence and without relying on the provisions," Justice Ejaz Afzal Khan observed.

He also said that this unique case has to be proceeded with risk and in alll
all the criminal, constitutional and corporate aspects.
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لندن فلیٹ کی منی ٹریل اور رسیدات کا مکمل حساب کتاب

مجھے میرے ایک دوست سید سبط حسن شاہ نے دس لاکھ روپے کینیڈا سے بھجوائےمیں نے ان پیسوں سےشہرسےباہرآنےجانےکی غرض سے ایک عدد سیکنڈ ھینڈ مہران کار خرید لی اوراندرون شہر پھرنےکےلئےایک عدد چائینہ کی موٹرسائیکل خرید لی،اچانک میرے ایک دوست سید وجاہت حسین نقوی نے مجھے فون کرکےکہا کہ اسےپیسوں کی سخت ضرورت ھے۔۔۔۔

میں نےاپنی مہران جیسےتیسےفروخت کرکے22 کروڑ روپےنقدفوری اپنے دوست نقوی صاحب کو بھجواکر کہا کہ اب آپ میری یہ رقم میری بجائےنجمہ ملک صاحبہ کو ادا کردیجئےگا،اور یوں نقوی بھائی نے 75 کروڑ روپے وقت مقررہ پرنجمہ ملک کےحوالےکردیئے، اسی دوران جب ندیم عباس بھٹی صاحب کو معلوم ہوا تو انہوں نے نجمہ ملک سے کہا میں نے لندن میں فلیٹ خریدنا ھے مجھے پیسے چاہئیں، نجمہ ملک نے2ارب 57کروڑ روپےکی وہی رقم ندیم عباس بھٹی صاحب کو دے دی،

ندیم عباس بھٹی صاحب نے انہی پیسوں سے لندن میں 277 ارب روپےکا فلیٹ پارک لین کے علاقےمیں خرید لیا،اب فیصل آباد تحریک انصاف کے راجہ ریاض احمد صاحب باربارہم سے پوچھتے ہیں کہ یہ فلیٹ کے پیسے کہاں سے آئے؟کیا وہ اس قدر بیوقوف ہیں جنہیں پیسے کی اتنی شفاف منی ٹریل بھی سمجھ نہیں آتی؟

سب پیسوں کا باقاعدہ حساب کتاب موجود ھے __________حضور یہ ہیں وہ ذرائع اورجن سےلندن کا فلیٹ خریدا گیا

کیمرہ مین طلال چوھدری کے ساتھ دانیال عزیز اور مریم اورنگزیب پی ٹی وی نیوز پانامہ کیس سپریم کورٹ اسلام آباد


@Doordie @Farah Sohail @Emmie
 
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لندن فلیٹ کی منی ٹریل اور رسیدات کا مکمل حساب کتاب

مجھے میرے ایک دوست سید سبط حسن شاہ نے دس لاکھ روپے کینیڈا سے بھجوائےمیں نے ان پیسوں سےشہرسےباہرآنےجانےکی غرض سے ایک عدد سیکنڈ ھینڈ مہران کار خرید لی اوراندرون شہر پھرنےکےلئےایک عدد چائینہ کی موٹرسائیکل خرید لی،اچانک میرے ایک دوست سید وجاہت حسین نقوی نے مجھے فون کرکےکہا کہ اسےپیسوں کی سخت ضرورت ھے۔۔۔۔

میں نےاپنی مہران جیسےتیسےفروخت کرکے22 کروڑ روپےنقدفوری اپنے دوست نقوی صاحب کو بھجواکر کہا کہ اب آپ میری یہ رقم میری بجائےنجمہ ملک صاحبہ کو ادا کردیجئےگا،اور یوں نقوی بھائی نے 75 کروڑ روپے وقت مقررہ پرنجمہ ملک کےحوالےکردیئے، اسی دوران جب ندیم عباس بھٹی صاحب کو معلوم ہوا تو انہوں نے نجمہ ملک سے کہا میں نے لندن میں فلیٹ خریدنا ھے مجھے پیسے چاہئیں، نجمہ ملک نے2ارب 57کروڑ روپےکی وہی رقم ندیم عباس بھٹی صاحب کو دے دی،

ندیم عباس بھٹی صاحب نے انہی پیسوں سے لندن میں 277 ارب روپےکا فلیٹ پارک لین کے علاقےمیں خرید لیا،اب فیصل آباد تحریک انصاف کے راجہ ریاض احمد صاحب باربارہم سے پوچھتے ہیں کہ یہ فلیٹ کے پیسے کہاں سے آئے؟کیا وہ اس قدر بیوقوف ہیں جنہیں پیسے کی اتنی شفاف منی ٹریل بھی سمجھ نہیں آتی؟

سب پیسوں کا باقاعدہ حساب کتاب موجود ھے __________حضور یہ ہیں وہ ذرائع اورجن سےلندن کا فلیٹ خریدا گیا

کیمرہ مین طلال چوھدری کے ساتھ دانیال عزیز اور مریم اورنگزیب پی ٹی وی نیوز پانامہ کیس سپریم کورٹ اسلام آباد


@Doordie @Farah Sohail @Emmie

:cheesy::cheesy::woot::woot::woot:

On topic: i read highlights of today's case.. PM's lawyer is arguing on technical grounds tht SC cant hear this case... He specifically argued on article 62,63 tht SC cant decide on its basis.. Its not the right forum... And as far as I know, no judge except Justice khosa raised much objections on his arguments.. Naeem bukhari par tu lagta tha ke judges court main aaye hi usay zaleel karnay hain... And tday, in the court, there was absolutely no talk of money trail, or panama case at all... This is our judicial system...

Ab tu I am 100% sure, infact 200% sure ke NS ko pakka clean chit milni hai... Bas aitraz ye hai ke judges thora pretend hi kar lete.... Ke woh neutral hain...
 
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