Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[PakSword]

Allah na kary ke Mian Sanp ke haqq main faisla aaye.. Waisy ye tu aap ne theek kaha ke faislay ke baad bhtt ronaq lagay gi..... Waisy mera khyal hai ke ab 3 judges Mian sanp ke favor main faisla de bhi nahi saktay... Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ke verdict ki wajah se..ab inn par bhtt pressure hai.. Esp Justice zkhosa ne jitna harsh verdict likha hai....uske baad aur JIT ki report ke baad bhi agar 3 judges ne Mian sanp ke haqq main faisla de diya... Tu ye public main bhtt ziada badnaam hojayein ge.. Inhein kahin chupnay ki jagah nahi milay gi.. Aur agar JIT ki report public hogayi...uske baad tu ye 3 judges kahin nahi chup sakein ge.. Abhi tu JIT ki report ka sahara le liya tha pehlay..aur 2 months sab ne wait kar liya.. Lekin is arsay main sharif family ka jo conduct raha hai..judges, JIT ko dhamkaana..is sab ke baad bhi agar ye judges PM ke favor main faisla dein ge tu inki apni credibility bilkol zero hojayegi... Justice Khosa aur Gulzar ki wajah se..in par pehle hi bhtt pressure hai

Justice Ijazul Ahsan tu..am almost sure ke woh disqualify kar hi dein ge.. So not much worried

Waisy jaisy pehle hum ne 2 months..ek ek din guzar kar intezar kiya tha.. Ab phir wohi din wapis aajayein..jab ek ek din gin kar intezar kartay thay

Waisy is sab ke baad bhi 1 month se pehle tu panama case ka final faisla nahi aayega.. SC ek nornal case main bhi 1-2 months le letay hain.. Lahore high court main sugar mills walay case ka abhi tak faisla nahi aaya.. 1 month se upar hochuka hai.. So, 2 months is almost a routine in our courts.. Us ke baad hi faisla aata hai.. Hnm samajh rahay thay ke pehlay panama case ka faisla jo 2 months baad aaya..ye bhtt delay hua.. Lekin aisa nahi.. Ye tu shayad routine hai... Ab bhi lagta hai ke minimum...1 month intezar karna hi paray ga final verdict ke liye

Agr CJ ne aik aur naya bench bna dia pehly 2 judges ki gher mojoodgi m to phir kia hoga ?
lagta to nahi k esa karen gy CJ kion k is se to ye lagy ga k un judges ko jinhon ne NS k khilaf faisla dia tha, unko sideline kia gya h or log yehi smjhen gy k is dafa koi judicial NRO ho raha h.
Meri to ye dua h k case wapis pehly bench k pass hi jay or faisla unanimous ho against NS or pori family ko na sirf na ehl kia jay balky inke khilaf references bhi bhejy jain.

Ajkal Punjab me to bandar bant shoro ho chuki h development funds ki.
PPP ne ap sb ko yaad ho ga akhri din sundy ko bhi banks khulway thy aur aik din m billions k development funds release kiay thy.

Someone, who is related to a barrister was telling me the other day that there is a third possibility which people aren't discussing, that it may be referred to the trial court by 2:1. Implementation bench may decide with majority that trial hasn't completed yet, and they aren't satisfied with the investigations so far, and until they aren't satisfied, 5 member bench will not hear it.. 5 member bench will only sit again, once all the judges say that in their opinion, there is nothing remaining to probe to investigate..

Maza aayega..

Merey upar ghussa utarnay se pehlay yeh sun lain ke I didn't believe him.. or his barrister relative...

 

[Boomin' Bomber I.J.]

Justice Khosa ne kiya kam bisti ki hai..qatari ki? Even Justice Ijazul Ahsan ne bhi bisti ki hai, qatri ki... Tu qatari ki bisti tu already hochuki hai, dil khol kar

Waisy ek cheez se mujhe bhi lag raha hai ke shayad JIT report ke baad hearibg ho...court order main jo likha hai..ke it (bench) may summon repondent no1 or any respondent..for purpose of disqualification of PM.. Matlab chahein tu karein..chahein tu na karein summon.... Lekin is se aisa tu lag raha hai ke JIT report ke baad bhi hearing hosakti hai? Kiya khyal hai? At dekhna ye hai ke agar hearing hui tu ye 3 member bench karay ga ya 5 member bench?

This is the propaganda some anchors are spreading, so they can later blame the SC for not questioning the defendants after the JIT report. The fact is the hearing was already over, and being high profile, the defendants were given another chance to provide anything that might clear their names. If they have provided such documents to the JIT, good for them. If they have not, as quite evident, there is no room for further questions. Very simply, they have failed to provide the proof, and now only judgement should be passed.

Just my two cents of understanding....

 

[Hyprion]

Someone, who is related to a barrister was telling me the other day that there is a third possibility which people aren't discussing, that it may be referred to the trial court by 2:1. Implementation bench may decide with majority that trial hasn't completed yet, and they aren't satisfied with the investigations so far, and until they aren't satisfied, 5 member bench will not hear it.. 5 member bench will only sit again, once all the judges say that in their opinion, there is nothing remaining to probe to investigate..

Maza aayega..

Merey upar ghussa utarnay se pehlay yeh sun lain ke I didn't believe him.. or his barrister relative...

ye possibility to h lekin NS ko disqualify krny k liay JIT ki report kafi ho gi or SC ko andaza ho ga k ye kissa bohot lamba ho chuka h.
wo refer to kr skty hn trial court m lekin us se pehly NS ka faisla ho jay to behtr h.

Merey upar ghussa utarnay se pehlay yeh sun lain ke I didn't believe him.. or his barrister relative...

ap tayyar ho jao ab shoro hony wali h ap pr

 

[PakSword]

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OK guys, this is the real money trail that is being discussed, found by JIT so far.

Over USD 2 million were transferred through traveler's checks by Javed Kiyani, and some unknown people from international accounts.

USD 350,000 were transferred by Salman Zia from Habib Bank AGZ Lahore in three transactions.

The above 2.5 million dollars went into Shamrock Consulting account in Lloyds Bank in UK.

Shamrock then transferred the money to Neilson and Nescoll accounts in Natwest Bank UK. The amount was then paid to the seller of flats by these two companies.

The above money was legally transferred, however, Javed Kiyani couldn't explain the source of his income as he didn't pay income taxes that corroborate his income. FBR tried to hide the detail of his income and tax records by saying that some of the record was lost. Interestingly, JIT had the copies of this record and when confronted in JIT, he was broken.. and JIT obtained his statement that he opened a fake account on advice of Shareef Family and the money is related to Shareefs...

If only Shareefs had paid income tax on their income, they might be saved. Now the charges are:

On Javed Kiyani: Opening a fake bank account, accomplice in this whole saga
On Shareefs: Javaid Kiyani's statement against Shareefs will be challenged in court and Shareefs will try to ridicule him. In this case, SC will have to record the statement of Javaid again in front of the implementation bench. Once court accepts his statement against Shareef's, Shareef's will be in jail for not paying the taxes on income and hiding income from tax authorities.

Now another aspect of this case is that for Javaid Kiyanis statement acceptance, he must show the proof that Shareefs transferred money into his accounts. JIT has obtained the details of the incoming money transactions, but not all the transactions were coming from Shareefs.. Some of them were directly transferred from the commission agents. But somehow, JIT has obtained ***few transactions*** that may prove commission and kickbacks to Shareefs to Javaid Kiyani, or directly to Javaid Kiyani account.

If the income is proved to be obtained from kickbacks and commissions, that would lead to an additional charge on Shareefs. JIT tried its best to find out how the commissions were obtained. The commission agents were related to projects running in 92/93. Khair that's a different story.

Disclaimer:

The above is my analysis and hasn't been obtained from anyone..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Someone, who is related to a barrister was telling me the other day that there is a third possibility which people aren't discussing, that it may be referred to the trial court by 2:1. Implementation bench may decide with majority that trial hasn't completed yet, and they aren't satisfied with the investigations so far, and until they aren't satisfied, 5 member bench will not hear it.. 5 member bench will only sit again, once all the judges say that in their opinion, there is nothing remaining to probe to investigate..

Maza aayega..

Merey upar ghussa utarnay se pehlay yeh sun lain ke I didn't believe him.. or his barrister relative...

Trial court main tu case jayega hi... Woh tu refer karein ge hi.. Woh tu jaana hi hai...

Lekin disqualification ka matter SC hi decide karay gi.. SC
ne clearly keh diya hai ke ..upon receipt of report of the JIT, final or periodic...matter of disqualification of respondent no 1 SHALL be considered.. Aur phir sochein ge ke dobara PM ko summon karein ya nahi.. So disqualification tu SC ko hi decide karni hai..

 

[PakSword]

SHALL be considered..

Shall be considered or maybe considered.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Shall be considered or maybe considered.

Matter of disqualification SHALL be considered.. iska matlab disqualification tu consider hogi hi.. lekin ye sirf decide karein ge ke iskeliye PM ko ya kisi aur ko dobara bulaana zuroori hai ya nahi...? disqualification tu consider honi hi hai.. us par different judges ki different opinion zuroor hosakti hai... Jan main jab case ki hearing horahi thee..Justice Khosa walay bench ki...tab Justice Khosa ne bhi ek dafa remark diya tha..ke zuroorat pari tu PM ko summon karein ge... lekin summon nahi kiya...uske bawajood bhi 2 judges, including Justice Khosa himself disqualified PM.. iska matlab unhein zuroorat hi mehsoos nahi hui, disqualification se pehle PM ko summon karnay ki.. aisy dobara bhi hosakta hai ke judges zuroorat na samjhein.. PM ko summon karnay ke liye

 

[Hyprion]

Matter of disqualification SHALL be considered.. iska matlab disqualification tu consider hogi hi.. lekin ye sirf decide karein ge ke iskeliye PM ko ya kisi aur ko dobara bulaana zuroori hai ya nahi...? disqualification tu consider honi hi hai.. us par different judges ki different opinion zuroor hosakti hai... Jan main jab case ki hearing horahi thee..Justice Khosa walay bench ki...tab Justice Khosa ne bhi ek dafa remark diya tha..ke zuroorat pari tu PM ko summon karein ge... lekin summon nahi kiya...uske bawajood bhi 2 judges, including Justice Khosa himself disqualified PM.. iska matlab unhein zuroorat hi mehsoos nahi hui, disqualification se pehle PM ko summon karnay ki.. aisy dobara bhi hosakta hai ke judges zuroorat na samjhein.. PM ko summon karnay ke liye

zarorat to nahi h lekin agr PM ko bula len or phir disqualify karen to mazza aa jay

 

[Farah Sohail]

The above money was legally transferred, however, Javed Kiyani couldn't explain the source of his income as he didn't pay income taxes that corroborate his income. FBR tried to hide the detail of his income and tax records by saying that some of the record was lost. Interestingly, JIT had the copies of this record and when confronted in JIT, he was broken.. and JIT obtained his statement that he opened a fake account on advice of Shareef Family and the money is related to Shareefs...

@bold.. I am most interested to know..whether JIT has been able to get tht record from original source..tht is FBR? copy wont be accepted in court..

doosri baat ye hai ke..ye sab transactions aur ye sab..iska SC se koi talluq nahi hoga.. aur na hi SC ne is par ruling deni hai... isliye SC bench Javed kiyani ko nahi bulayega.. case ka jo criminal aspect hai..ye SC NAB/accountability court ko refer karay gi.. disqualification..jo ek constituitional matter hai..ye SC khud dekhay g ke jo info available hai..us se atleast PM ke jhoot sabit hotay hain ya nahi? bas agar woh is par satisfy hogaye ke PM ne jhoot bola hai..woh disqualify kar dein ge like Justice Khosa and Gulzar aur phir accountability court ..bhej dein ge criminal references

 

[PakSword]

https://twitter.com/x/status/882873952065990656

 

[El_Swordsmen]

PMLN darbaris ranting on media now against JIT calling it controversial !!

Frustration is evident

 

[PakSword]

@bold.. I am most interested to know..whether JIT has been able to get tht record from original source..tht is FBR? copy wont be accepted in court..

What if Javed Kiyani accepts his record?

 

[El_Swordsmen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/882873952065990656

there are only two people in history of Pakistan who took stand against status quo, one was Raheel Shareef & other is Imran Khan

 

[PakSword]

there are only two people who took stand against status quo, one was Raheel Shareef & other is Imran Khan

You are forgetting two judges and 6 JIT members..

https://twitter.com/x/status/882878936543141888

Aisa chehra hojata hai, jab JIT kisi ko 92/ 93 ki transactions aur 99 ke hudaibiya ke dastaweezat dikhati hai...

Zalim JIT..

 

[El_Swordsmen]

You are forgetting two judges and 6 JIT members..

whistle blower is IK, without him this case would have been pushed under the rug as usual ...