Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[PakSword]

Their family members are living in extreme fear because of the Ghunday roaming around their houses.

ISI/MI Members are the Muscles of JIT Team basically. Even JIT members knows that and just for formality putting it out there that they are getting threats from unknown person. ISI/MI agents would be protecting the civilian members of JIT from the shadows and would not let any harm come to the of JIT team families. For unknown calls, rest assured, ISI knows where those unknown calls are coming from and those person would quietly be disappearing as we speaking now.

آئی بی اہلکار بلال رسول کے گھر کے قریب چکر لگاتے نظر آئے، جے آئی ٹی درخواست

Sir @Bratva

What do you think about IB ghundas now? Can ISI/ MI put their hands on IB's ghundas?

@PakSword @Realistic Change @QatariPrince

Capital tv is reporting tht Qatari has offered JIT to interview him in Qatar.. Ab yeh new twist??

Manalia hoga Baji Manhoos ne..

I have strong feeling ke kal bhi SC koi substantial directions nahi dey gi to address JIT reservations... They will just postpone the hearing to another date like they have done with H Nawaz's petition tht instead of dismissing tht..SC keeps on gving dates after dates on tht..and is keeping JIT engaged in the matter.. Hw will JIT keep focus on its actual work? Unless and until JIT's reservations are addressed at the earliest by SC in a definite way..how will JIT complete its work in specified time?

@Realistic Change @QatariPrince @PakSword your thoughts?

JIT has played a masterstroke by putting SC in hot water. SC can't take sides now as everything is in public. The bench will have to take measures to address JITs concerns or they will be termed as biased judges by everyone.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Sir @Bratva

What do you think about IB ghundas now? Can ISI/ MI put their hands on IB's ghundas?

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Waisi jo JIT karrahi hai...us par unki jitni bhi tareef ki jaye ..kam hai.. I sympathise with them.. Ooper se advocate aur pakora judge ne dramay lagaye huay hian.. Mujhe lagta hai ke kal bhi woh koi next date de dein ge, to instituitions ke apna reply submit karayein.. Hona tu yeh chahye ke SC ko kal hi orders/ instructions deni chahye....to address JIT concerns.. Infact article 190 ke under...army ko kehna chahye ke inhein security dein..

Aaj tu Klasra bhi keh rahay thay ke mujhe inn JIT members se hamdardi hai.. Ye asaan kaam nahi hai jo woh karrahay hain.. Infact he has asked Sc to intervene and stop meeting on promotions pf bureaucrats till panama case is decided..

Klasra ne kaha ke ISI aur MI members ke bhi sign hain.. Agar woh bhi secure nahi hai..unhein bhi apni job security nahi hai..tu kia reh jata hai? He said ke agar aisa hi hai..tu phir sab sulah safai kar lein, sharif family se..aur inn JIT members ki jaan chorein..inki bhi families hain..inke bhi careers hain.. He said we must appreciate JIt members on what they have done till now

Sir @Bratva
JIT has played a masterstroke by putting SC in hot water. SC can't take sides now as everything is in public. The bench will have to take measures to address JITs concerns or they will be termed as biased judges by everyone.

You are right.. JIT has played master stroke.. They have exposed everyone till now.,, agar kal SC ne ek aur date de di..without giving any substantive instructions .then it clearly means tht SC is compromised...

Waisy panama case main jahan itna kuch expose hua hai..Regd Pak system.... Theres still a silver lining.. As long as there are Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar type judges, and JIT members like bureaucrats..in Pakistan..theres still some hope..

 

[PakSword]

Waisi jo JIT karrahi hai...us par unki jitni bhi tareef ki jaye ..kam hai.. I sympathise with them.. Ooper se advocate aur pakora judge ne dramay lagaye huay hian.. Mujhe lagta hai ke kal bhi woh koi next date de dein ge, to instituitions ke apna reply submit karayein.. Hona tu yeh chahye ke SC ko kal hi orders/ instructions deni chahye....to address JIT concerns.. Infact article 190 ke under...army ko kehna chahye ke inhein security dein..

Aaj tu Klasra bhi keh rahay thay ke mujhe inn JIT members se hamdardi hai.. Ye asaan kaam nahi hai jo woh karrahay hain.. Infact he has asked Sc to intervene and stop meeting on promotions pf bureaucrats till panama case is decided.. Klasra ne kaha ke ISI aur MI members ke bhi sign hain.. Agar woh bhi secure nahi hai..unhein bhi apni job security nahi hai..tu kia reh jata hai? He said ke agar aisa hi hai..tu phir sab sulah safai kar lein, sharif family se..aur inn JIT members ki jaan chorein..inki bhi families hain..inke bhi careers hain.. He said we must appreciate JIt members on what they have done till now

To be honest, I would have resigned by now. The pressure on them is extreme because of families.

A person doesn't fear for his life, career, or whatever concerning his own self, but when it comes to his children, buhat baray baray gir jatay hain..

When I put myself in their shoes, I don't see myself continuing with this investigation.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Manalia hoga Baji Manhoos ne..

Lekin woh interview main karay ga kiya? Uske pass koi documentary evidence tu hai nahi...phir woh kiun summon hoga JIT ke saamnay? Kiya koi fake money trail prepare kar li hai?

To be honest, I would have resigned by now. The pressure on them is extreme because of families.

A person doesn't fear for his life, career, or whatever concerning his own self, but when it comes to his children, buhat baray baray gir jatay hain..

When I put myself in their shoes, I don't see myself continuing with this investigation.

I think..a lot depends on SC reaction.. If SC supports then tomorrow fully..then they should not resign.. But if SC does topi dramas, aur kal bhi koi new date de di..instead of giving directions...tu phir beshak resign kar dein.. Waisy main tu inhein abhi bhi yehi kahun gi.lke yeh kisi tarah 60 days tak bardaasht kar lein...uske baad sab ko expose kar dein.. Including SC... Atar Sc ne tab bhi verdict na diya then they should expose each and everyone..in a pressconference ke hum ne threats tolerate kiye..apnay careers ko risk kiya...and SC chickened out and even didnt suoport us, in our task..

I really hope ke kal advocate aur pakora judge...sudhar jayein.. Kal koi new date na dein..instead they should give instructions to address JIT concerns

 

[PakSword]

Waisy panama case main jahan itna kuch expose hua hai..Regd Pak system.... Theres still a silver lining.. As long as there are Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar type judges, and JIT members like bureaucrats..in Pakistan..theres still some hope..

Which JIT/ commission has been compromised in the past?

Dawn Leaks? Let me tell you, ISI and MI members weren't compromised. Maryam's name is still in the report. They put all their findings in the report, without changing anything.. and that's why government didn't release the report.

Model Town? No way. If the report is released, many big fishes in Punjab government will face the wrath of public. No one compromised. Justice Baqir Najfi, and the team faced consequences.

Abbotabad commission? The report is still under the carpet because it clearly identifies the responsibilities.

I used to think that very few people are left, but I think we have many such gems still in our bureaucracy/ Armed forces.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Model Town? No way. If the report is released, many big fishes in Punjab government will face the wrath of public. No one compromised. Justice Baqir Najfi, and the team faced consequences.

Yes Justice Baqi Najfi give a good report....tht was a judicial commission. But i think you are forgetting ke Justice Baqir Najfi report ko inhon ne release nahi kiya..infact uske baad ek aur JIT bana di thee..which had ISI and MI members too, and tht JIT gave clean chit to shahbaz sharif and other main culprits..

 

[PakSword]

Lekin woh interview main karay ga kiya? Uske pass koi documentary evidence tu hai nahi...phir woh kiun summon hoga JIT ke saamnay? Kiya koi fake money trail prepare kar li hai?

This was the first stage to ascertain whether the letter was written by Qatari or not. He will runaway in the second stage when JIT will ask/ confront him with facts.

I think..a lot depends on SC reaction.. If SC supports then tomorrow fully..then they should not resign.. But if SC does topi dramas, aur kal bhi koi new date de di..instead of giving directions...tu phir beshak resign kar dein.. Waisy main tu inhein abhi bhi yehi kahun gi.lke yeh kisi tarah 60 days tak bardaasht kar lein...uske baad sab ko expose kar dein.. Including SC... Atar Sc ne tab bhi verdict na diya then they should expose each and everyone..in a pressconference ke hum ne threats tolerate kiye..apnay careers ko risk kiya...and SC chickened out and even didnt suoport us, in our task..

I really hope ke kal advocate aur pakora judge...sudhar jayein.. Kal koi new date na dein..instead they should give instructions to address JIT concerns

They are continuing. After yesterday's letter, they can't resign.. Actually, there's no benefit of resigning now.

Do you think that Bilal Rasool can continue with his job peacefully after putting allegations of Chairman SECP of forgery, even if he resigns?

Yes Justice Baqi Najfi give a good report....tht was a judicial commission. But i think you are forgetting ke Justice Baqir Najfi report ko inhon ne release nahi kiya..infact uske baad ek aur JIT bana di thee..which had ISI and MI members too, and tht JIT gave clean chit to shahbaz sharif and other main culprits..

Yes you are right. What I wanted to say that there are many instances when people upheld principles. There are many rotten eggs in our system, but good people are also there..

 

[Farah Sohail]

They are continuing. After yesterday's letter, they can't resign.. Actually, there's no benefit of resigning now.

Do you think that Bilal Rasool can continue with his job peacefully after putting allegations of Chairman SECP of forgery, even if he resigns?

Waisy JIT ne kaisy sab ko charge sheet kiya hai!!!! Uff i am still shocked in a pleasant way....

They totally chargesheeted SECP Chairman... Phir IB ko kaha ke inhon ne NADRA se Bilal Rasool ka data liya..Aur Hussain Nawaz ko diya... Uff aur harrassment ..ka alag batay..

Phir kaha ke hum ne PM ko confidential summon diya..but Maryam Aurangzeb revealed abt it in public..

Kaha ke PM house..witnesses ko statements prepare kar ke de raha hai.. Uff Allah!!

I am soo proud of them!! I am so surprised ke inhon ne poori govt ko iss tarah expose kiya hai...

 

[PakSword]

Atar Sc ne tab bhi verdict na diya then they should expose each and everyone..in a pressconference ke hum ne threats tolerate kiye..apnay careers ko risk kiya...and SC chickened out and even didnt suoport us, in our task..

Yeh kaam woh uss waqt karsaktay hain jab unn ke paas kisi aur mulk ki nationality ho.. jaisay Saeed Ahmed, Nawaz Shareef ke Bachay, aur Ishaq Dollar ke paas hai..

Jin ka jeena marna isi mulk main hai, woh apna burhapa sukoon se guzarna chahtay hain..

Waisy JIT ne kaisy sab ko charge sheet kiya hai!!!! Uff i am still shocked in a pleasant way....

They totally chargesheeted SECP Chairman... Phir IB ko kaha ke inhon ne NADRA se Bilal Rasool ka data liya..Aur Hussain Nawaz ko diya... Uff aur harrassment ..ka alag batay..

Phir kaha ke hum ne PM ko confidential summon diya..but Maryam Aurangzeb revealed abt it in public..

Kaha ke PM house..witnesses ko statements prepare kar ke de raha hai.. Uff Allah!!

I am soo proud of them!! I am so surprised ke inhon ne poori govt ko iss tarah expose kiya hai...

Brave sons of soil.. Yeh bilkul uss level ke log hain, jo LoC pe Indian Army ki aankhon main aankhain daalay baithay hain.. Actually more brave than them.. because Army walon ki families ko threats nahi hain at least..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yeh kaam woh uss waqt karsaktay hain jab unn ke paas kisi aur mulk ki nationality ho.. jaisay Saeed Ahmed, Nawaz Shareef ke Bachay, aur Ishaq Dollar ke paas hai..

Jin ka jeena marna isi mulk main hai, woh apna burhapa sukoon se guzarna chahtay hain..

They are thorough professionals.. I think inhein bhi kahin aur..kisi mulk main job zuroor mil jayegi.. They should leave Pak..if SC doesnt support them right now..but they should expose SC judges fully..

Ya phir Justice Khosa ke chief justice bannay ka intezar karein.. Ke woh Chief Justice ban jayein..uske baad JIT members unke pass apna case le kar jayein.abt injustice done to them, and their careers because of lack of support from SC..

 

[PakSword]

They are thorough professionals.. I think inhein bhi kahin aur..kisi mulk main job zuroor mil jayegi.. They should leave Pak..if SC doesnt support them right now..but they should expose SC judges fully..

Ya phir Justice Khosa ke chief justice bannay ka intezar karein.. Ke woh Chief Justice ban jayein..uske baad JIT members unke pass apna case le kar jayein.abt injustice done to them, and their careers because of lack of support from SC..

NAB walay pe tou daal dia hai case.. Baqi ki bhi baari aani hai.. aik aik kar ke..

You are right waisay.. they should move court when Justice Khosa takes charge..

 

[Bratva]

Sir @Bratva

What do you think about IB ghundas now? Can ISI/ MI put their hands on IB's ghundas?



Manalia hoga Baji Manhoos ne..



JIT has played a masterstroke by putting SC in hot water. SC can't take sides now as everything is in public. The bench will have to take measures to address JITs concerns or they will be termed as biased judges by everyone.

Back in 2007 when Iftikhar Chaudhry and Co was hearing cases against musharraf, They banned ISI & MI agents on court premises. The widely held theory at that time was Intel agents had made a sex tape of one of SC judge daughter and his bf and now threatening him with it. Well They used other dirt materials as well regarding the SC judge family members.

Compare to what JIT members are facing today, This is peanuts. Nothing what judges faced then. What changed the nature of threats and how less threatening they are in physical sense that JIT team are technically under ISI/MI watch.

Indian and Chinese Troops provoke each other on regular basis on Indian/Chinese Borders . But their provocations are such it never escalated to armed conflicts.

IB has not crossed a line. They only went after Bilal rasool. They hacked his wife account only. They roamed around his home casually oftenly, Not regularly. This teasing will continue and Families have to put up their guard and have to endure the teasing but this teasing would not escalate to Harming or blackmailing family members or the JIT members itself.

Do you know there used to be a Taji Sahab, Famous land grabber, Crime lord and Ghunda of grade A having political connections ? Just imagine how political ghunday would have had harassed the family members of JIT members using non state actors . Thats why Government is restricted to using IB ghundays because ISI/MI would tolerate them upto a certain degree.

Now think about what if There was no ISI/MI invisible security cloud, how much IB must have crossed the line with all the technical capabilities they have. They could have collected so much dirt on their family by now and would have been pressuring them so much so, that they would have resigned by now.

MI & ISI can-not interfere into IB teasing directly. But if they cross the line, they will learn their lesson.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Brave sons of soil.. Yeh bilkul uss level ke log hain, jo LoC pe Indian Army ki aankhon main aankhain daalay baithay hain.. Actually more brave than them.. because Army walon ki families ko threats nahi hain at least..

True.. Wajid Zia ke baaray main tu pehle suna tha ke although he is honest..but lacks courage.. Lekin yahan tu unhon ne poori govt ko dhabardoos kar diya.. Ab kahan hain..woh log..jo kehtay thay tht he is not courageous?

Jitni tareef ki jaye..kam hai.. I think they are even braver than Justice Khosa and Gulzar.. Atleast unki promotions tu govt par dependent nahi theen.. Yahan tu JIT members ko pehle din se pata hoga...ke jis din se ye JIT ka part banay....inke careers khatam... Inhon ne bhtt bara risk liya... Aur jis tarah govt ko charge sheet kiya hai.. Waah!!!

 

[Realistic Change]

Which other media house reporting Qatari's agreeing to PMLN's "unthak" koshish?

If it's correct news; then it can potentially delay the case, and also that my info was incorrect re when Nawaz took message of Qatar's Govt to Saudi King on urgent and unplanned trip to KSA, and the type of response he got from King Salman. I stand corrected!

However with types of anchors Captal TV have (especially Beenish - who is very close to Maryams Cell along with Aliya), I have less faith in how they report.

 

[Farah Sohail]

You are right waisay.. they should move court when Justice Khosa takes charge..

Ys... Thats the only option left for them now.. They should wait for 6-7 months.. Us waqt tak OSD bhi ban jayein beshak.. When Justice Khosa becomes CJ.....then they should go to SC...then .. He will surely support them...