Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[PakSword]

@PakSword aap ko kia lag raha hai? Do u also think tht JIT is compromised? Ya koi NRO honay jaa raha hai? Some ppl were rasing objections tht ..in summon to PM..JIT has written..you are "requested" to appear ....

Lekin pata nahi kiun..abhi tak mujhe JIT se NRO wali feeling nahi aarahi... But logon ki yahan par baatein sun kar dar lagnay laga hai...... your thoughts?

I don't think JIT has been compromised.

Till now, JIT members have done whatever they could to proceed with utmost integrity. They pushed back again and again against the whole government machinery, sold media channels and anchors and nations expectations. They have also been bashed by people like us, who always try to find small gaps.

The report today is a testimony of JIT members' steadfastness against all odds. They have charged government and different institutions with serious allegations of non cooperation and forgery. These allegations are so serious that if they are not able to prove them, their careers will be finished.

In the report, they have told the SC bench, that Hussain has not cooperated till now, institutions have not cooperated, forged documents have been submitted, campaign has started against them and different pressure tactics have been applied. But despite all of this, they are ready to take this investigation to its logical end. The only thing they want from SC and nation is time, which unfortunately, we are not ready to give them.

Lets discuss what's JIT's primary responsibility. JIT has been assigned the task to investigate 13 questions. It has been required to answer these questions with facts gathered through collection of statements and documents, validation of statements through cross questioning and verification of documents by using its powers from different national and international institutions, refer the validated evidences in its responses when they present its report, and go home. It is the SC bench that will take the job forward from there.

If there is no cooperation from the accused, and no cooperation from institutions (to the point that institutions start forging documents), what JIT could do is to go back to SC judges and inform them. And that's exactly what they have done.

It was very easy for them to accept whatever forged docs were being collected from institutions , and to link them to the statements of accused, and present a clean report to the SC bench. It would have been very easy for Advocate and Pakora to rely on JIT's assurance about collected evidences and give clean chit to Shareefs. This is exactly what judges did in rigging investigation. They accepted the responses from NADRA and ECP without even thinking that our institutions have become so corrupt that the officers are ready to sell their souls for small worldly gains. So when NADRA told them that 60,000 votes couldn't be verified, SC didn't get forensic experts' help to verify the statement of NADRA. When ECP provided them with non-reconciled forms from RO and Polling Officers, they accepted ECPs stance that the scale of rigging is not that high to call the elections rigged.

JIT members have refused to take everything coming from institutions. They are comparing the current provided record with whatever they already have, and instead of blindly terming the current record as valid, informing SC that the current record is being forged.

What else do we want from this JIT? I tell you, Qatari hasn't arrived, because some banks and institutions, which forged the documents in favor of Qatari's statement, have been caught red-handed, and he knows that he will not be able to answer questions of JIT.

Our country is being ruled by thieves for the past 50 years or so, and we are only concerned about completing the investigation of last 30 years of some of the most sophisticated crooks (who are being helped by almost all the institutions) in 60 days..

If I were in this JIT, I would have already resigned. I am in internal audit, and have done some forensic investigations in my career. The smallest investigation that I was involved in, took around 1 months to finalize the report and identify the culprits. That was one business process, and 2 culprits and the amount being investigated was in 10s of thousands of Dirhams. We were a team of 3 and we had all the help available, from IT systems to the heads of all the departments, including the company's CEO.

Either SC should tell them, whoever is not cooperating, not not call him again and SC would decide based on lack of evidence, or remove the hurdles (the biggest is removal of PMLN government), or give them time. Unfortunately, SC and nation is not ready to give these six members any of these. Extent of probe is 30 years, amount is in billions of rupees, multiple countries involved, 3 government tenures, institutions forging documents, PM and his children not cooperating,30 days out of 60 are Ramadan and Eid holidays, but since we consider JIT members as super humans, they should complete investigation in 60 days..

I say they should either resign, or take bribe to make their future secure. Again saying, I would have resigned by now..

 

[Realistic Change]

I don't think JIT has been compromised.

Till now, JIT members have done whatever they could to proceed with utmost integrity. They pushed back again and again against the whole government machinery, sold media channels and anchors and nations expectations. They have also been bashed by people like us, who always try to find small gaps.

The report today is a testimony of JIT members' steadfastness against all odds. They have charged government and different institutions with serious allegations of non cooperation and forgery. These allegations are so serious that if they are not able to prove them, their careers will be finished.

In the report, they have told the SC bench, that Hussain has not cooperated till now, institutions have not cooperated, forged documents have been submitted, campaign has started against them and different pressure tactics have been applied. But despite all of this, they are ready to take this investigation to its logical end. The only thing they want from SC and nation is time, which unfortunately, we are not ready to give them.

Lets discuss what's JIT's primary responsibility. JIT has been assigned the task to investigate 13 questions. It has been required to answer these questions with facts gathered through collection of statements and documents, validation of statements through cross questioning and verification of documents by using its powers from different national and international institutions, refer the validated evidences in its responses when they present its report, and go home. It is the SC bench that will take the job forward from there.

If there is no cooperation from the accused, and no cooperation from institutions (to the point that institutions start forging documents), what JIT could do is to go back to SC judges and inform them. And that's exactly what they have done.

It was very easy for them to accept whatever forged docs were being collected from institutions , and to link them to the statements of accused, and present a clean report to the SC bench. It would have been very easy for Advocate and Pakora to rely on JIT's assurance about collected evidences and give clean chit to Shareefs. This is exactly what judges did in rigging investigation. They accepted the responses from NADRA and ECP without even thinking that our institutions have become so corrupt that the officers are ready to sell their souls for small worldly gains. So when NADRA told them that 60,000 votes couldn't be verified, SC didn't get forensic experts' help to verify the statement of NADRA. When ECP provided them with non-reconciled forms from RO and Polling Officers, they accepted ECPs stance that the scale of rigging is not that high to call the elections rigged.

JIT members have refused to take everything coming from institutions. They are comparing the current provided record with whatever they already have, and instead of blindly terming the current record as valid, informing SC that the current record is being forged.

What else do we want from this JIT? I tell you, Qatari hasn't arrived, because some banks and institutions, which forged the documents in favor of Qatari's statement, have been caught red-handed, and he knows that he will not be able to answer questions of JIT.

Our country is being ruled by thieves for the past 50 years or so, and we are only concerned about completing the investigation of last 30 years of some of the most sophisticated crooks (who are being helped by almost all the institutions) in 60 days..

If I were in this JIT, I would have already resigned. I am in internal audit, and have done some forensic investigations in my career. The smallest investigation that I was involved in, took around 1 months to finalize the report and identify the culprits. That was one business process, and 2 culprits and the amount being investigated was in 10s of thousands of Dirhams. We were a team of 3 and we had all the help available, from IT systems to the heads of all the departments, including the company's CEO.

Either SC should tell them, whoever is not cooperating, not not call him again and SC would decide based on lack of evidence, or remove the hurdles (the biggest is removal of PMLN government), or give them time. Unfortunately, SC and nation is not ready to give these six members any of these. Extent of probe is 30 years, amount is in billions of rupees, multiple countries involved, 3 government tenures, institutions forging documents, PM and his children not cooperating,30 days out of 60 are Ramadan and Eid holidays, but since we consider JIT members as super humans, they should complete investigation in 60 days..

I say they should either resign, or take bribe to make their future secure. Again saying, I would have resigned by now..

Great points!

In your own post you have raised questions and answered them as well.

You had full support in an audit assignment re a business process from top to bottom; from IT to CEO.

This JIT doesn't have it and SCP knew that beforehand. It was more like passing the buck.

It's like there is SC and it picks a few junior members of Camorra Mafia, who were thinking of quitting the mafia because they are here due to circumstances and not choice.

The same SC binds members (who are of the best character in smaller than Cosa Nostra Mafia) to investigate the Cosa Nostra mafia and also seek help of Camorra mafia who they are part of as well.

What do you expect from junior members (although honest) of Camorra mafia will and can do?

 

[Farah Sohail]

I don't think JIT has been compromised.

Till now, JIT members have done whatever they could to proceed with utmost integrity. They pushed back again and again against the whole government machinery, sold media channels and anchors and nations expectations. They have also been bashed by people like us, who always try to find small gaps.

The report today is a testimony of JIT members' steadfastness against all odds. They have charged government and different institutions with serious allegations of non cooperation and forgery. These allegations are so serious that if they are not able to prove them, their careers will be finished.

In the report, they have told the SC bench, that Hussain has not cooperated till now, institutions have not cooperated, forged documents have been submitted, campaign has started against them and different pressure tactics have been applied. But despite all of this, they are ready to take this investigation to its logical end. The only thing they want from SC and nation is time, which unfortunately, we are not ready to give them.

Lets discuss what's JIT's primary responsibility. JIT has been assigned the task to investigate 13 questions. It has been required to answer these questions with facts gathered through collection of statements and documents, validation of statements through cross questioning and verification of documents by using its powers from different national and international institutions, refer the validated evidences in its responses when they present its report, and go home. It is the SC bench that will take the job forward from there.

If there is no cooperation from the accused, and no cooperation from institutions (to the point that institutions start forging documents), what JIT could do is to go back to SC judges and inform them. And that's exactly what they have done.

It was very easy for them to accept whatever forged docs were being collected from institutions , and to link them to the statements of accused, and present a clean report to the SC bench. It would have been very easy for Advocate and Pakora to rely on JIT's assurance about collected evidences and give clean chit to Shareefs. This is exactly what judges did in rigging investigation. They accepted the responses from NADRA and ECP without even thinking that our institutions have become so corrupt that the officers are ready to sell their souls for small worldly gains. So when NADRA told them that 60,000 votes couldn't be verified, SC didn't get forensic experts' help to verify the statement of NADRA. When ECP provided them with non-reconciled forms from RO and Polling Officers, they accepted ECPs stance that the scale of rigging is not that high to call the elections rigged.

JIT members have refused to take everything coming from institutions. They are comparing the current provided record with whatever they already have, and instead of blindly terming the current record as valid, informing SC that the current record is being forged.

What else do we want from this JIT? I tell you, Qatari hasn't arrived, because some banks and institutions, which forged the documents in favor of Qatari's statement, have been caught red-handed, and he knows that he will not be able to answer questions of JIT.

Our country is being ruled by thieves for the past 50 years or so, and we are only concerned about completing the investigation of last 30 years of some of the most sophisticated crooks (who are being helped by almost all the institutions) in 60 days..

If I were in this JIT, I would have already resigned. I am in internal audit, and have done some forensic investigations in my career. The smallest investigation that I was involved in, took around 1 months to finalize the report and identify the culprits. That was one business process, and 2 culprits and the amount being investigated was in 10s of thousands of Dirhams. We were a team of 3 and we had all the help available, from IT systems to the heads of all the departments, including the company's CEO.

Either SC should tell them, whoever is not cooperating, not not call him again and SC would decide based on lack of evidence, or remove the hurdles (the biggest is removal of PMLN government), or give them time. Unfortunately, SC and nation is not ready to give these six members any of these. Extent of probe is 30 years, amount is in billions of rupees, multiple countries involved, 3 government tenures, institutions forging documents, PM and his children not cooperating,30 days out of 60 are Ramadan and Eid holidays, but since we consider JIT members as super humans, they should complete investigation in 60 days..

I say they should either resign, or take bribe to make their future secure. Again saying, I would have resigned by now..

I agree with you...onalmost every thing.. My point is JIT 60 days main jitna karsakti hai, kar ley..and then give its report to SC.. 60 days main bhi aisi report zuroor aasakti hai.,jis se NS ke lies sabit hojayein..and he can be disqualified.. Baqi jo criminal aspect reh jayein..uske references , banaa kar bhej dein.. In 60 days..atleast JIT would be able to gather as much and present conclusions...jis ki basis par SC judges..atleast Justice Khosa aur Justice Gulzar wala verdict de sakein... Tht disqualify NS...and then continue with criminal proceedings..no need to ask for more time.. Jitna karsaktay hain kar lein..

Aur jo bhi cooperate nahi karraha like Hussain nawz..no need to go after him.. Ek dafa bulayein..uske saamnay evidence rakhein... If he doesnt provide documents first time...then ok fine.. Me tion it in ur report...ke he wasnt able to provide anything in his support.. No need to summon him again and again..

Bas atleast sab respondents ko ek ek dafa zuroor bulaa lein... JIT sab se initial sttements le ley...cross questioning kar ley, after presenting evidence which they have...and then prepare their report ..... Bas ek dafa sab se interview hojaye...like Nawaz sharif, maryam nawaz, ishaq dar.. Aur kuch karnay ki zuroorat nahi hai JIT ko.. Bas sab ke statements record kar lein..in ke statements ek doosray se compare kardin..bas itna kar lein aur jhoot sabit kar lein.. 3 Judges ko yehi aitraz tha na..basic ke in se cross questioning nahi hui..is liye disquLify nahi karsaktay.. Bas ek dafa woh hojaye..tu yeh formality bhi poori hojayegi

 

[PakSword]

It was an open and shut case, where simple reconciliation of Ishaq Dar's statements info which perfectly corroborates with actual transfers from Alfaysal Investment Bank, Habib Bank AG Zurich, Citibank.That's it!

No need to go outside Pakistan via Mars, Pluto and Uranus for JIT. The only reason I could think JIT trying to overdo things is to justify their working and portraying that they did try their best.

What if NAB provides forged record of earlier investigations, and the Banks and FBR also provide synced statements with the forged records, and SC pushes JIT to bring answers of all 13 questions?

It's the SC which is the culprit here.. The should have asked JIT to validate Qatari statement to decide PMs disqualification matter.. But they purposely framed the most difficult questions for JIT.

The work they couldn't do in 126 days, with open hearings and all the media in support of SC, they expect the same (if not more) work to be completed by JIT in 60 days..

This JIT doesn't have it and SCP knew that beforehand. It was more like passing the buck.

It's like there is SC and it picks a few junior members of Camorra Mafia, who were thinking of quitting the mafia because they are here due to circumstances and not choice.

The same SC binds members (who are of the best character in smaller than Cosa Nostra Mafia) to investigate the Cosa Nostra mafia and also seek help of Camorra mafia who they are part of as well.

What do you expect from junior members (although honest) of Camorra mafia will and can do?

I don't have access to give positive rating, otherwise, I would have given it to your this post.. What I wanted to explain in my long post, you have explained in few lines..

I agree with you...onalmost every thing.. My point is JIT 60 days main jitna karsakti hai, kar ley..and then give its report to SC.. 60 days main bhi aisi report zuroor aasakti hai.,jis se NS ke lies sabit hojayein..and he can be disqualified.. Baqi jo criminal aspect reh jayein..uske references , banaa kar bhej dein.. In 60 days..atleast JIT would be able to gather as much and present conclusions...jis ki basis par SC judges..atleast Justice Khosa aur Justice Gulzar wala verdict de sakein... Tht disqualify NS...and then continue with criminal proceedings..no need to ask for more time.. Jitna karsaktay hain kar lein..

Aur jo bhi cooperate nahi karraha like Hussain nawz..no need to go after him.. Ek dafa bulayein..uske saamnay evidence rakhein... If he doesnt provide documents first time...then ok fine.. Me tion it in ur report...ke he wasnt able to provide anything in his support.. No need to summon him again and again..

Bas atleast sab respondents ko ek ek dafa zuroor bulaa lein... JIT sab se initial sttements le ley...cross questioning kar ley, after presenting evidence which they have...and then prepare their report ..... Bas ek dafa sab se interview hojaye...like Nawaz sharif, maryam nawaz, ishaq dar.. Aur kuch karnay ki zuroorat nahi hai JIT ko.. Bas sab ke statements record kar lein..in ke statements ek doosray se compare kardin..bas itna kar lein aur jhoot sabit kar lein.. 3 Judges ko yehi aitraz tha na..basic ke in se cross questioning nahi hui..is liye disquLify nahi karsaktay.. Bas ek dafa woh hojaye..tu yeh formality bhi poori hojayegi

It's none of JITs business to decide how they should do it.. They have been asked 13 questions to probe, and I am sure they are not going beyond those 13 questions. SC should take the initiative and tell them that enough is enough, no need to complete all 13 questions, just give us the answer of 1,2 and 3 and that's it.. SC shouldn't instruct them to notify the bench about any non cooperation, instead, permit them to identify the people who didn't cooperate..

But SC is not doing this..

 

[Farah Sohail]

What if NAB provides forged record of earlier investigations, and the Banks and FBR also provide synced statements with the forged records, and SC pushes JIT to bring answers of all 13 questions?

It's the SC which is the culprit here.. The should have asked JIT to validate Qatari statement to decide PMs disqualification matter.. But they purposely framed the most difficult questions for JIT.

The work they couldn't do in 126 days, with open hearings and all the media in support of SC, they expect the same (if not more) work to be completed by JIT in 60 days..

I don't have access to give positive rating, otherwise, I would have given it to your this post.. What I wanted to explain in my long post, you have explained in few lines..

I think SC judges should have disqualified,,,or if not tht ..atleast suspended Nawaz sharif and then formed JIT, and asked to proceed with criminal proceedings..just like Justice Khosa and Gulzar have done.. If 3 judges didnt want to disqualify NS..they should have atleast suspended him...

I often wondered..tht Justice Khosa in his verdict...had asked to form an implementation bench..just like 3 judges...to oversee criminal investigations..but he didnt give a time line for tht.. I thought..why didnt he give tht? After going through the points..you mentioned...i can understand now fully..why he didnt give 60 days time line? Maybe because he knew it would be too much to handle.. But still...even after forming an implementation bench to oversee criminal investigations...he had almost suspended Chairman NAB too, and ofcourse disqualified PM too..so tht there would be minimum chances of influence from them.. Verdict of Justice Khosa and Gulzar was surely very wisely and logically written...knowing all the ground realities..

 

[Realistic Change]

What if NAB provides forged record of earlier investigations, and the Banks and FBR also provide synced statements with the forged records, and SC pushes JIT to bring answers of all 13 questions?

It's the SC which is the culprit here.. The should have asked JIT to validate Qatari statement to decide PMs disqualification matter.. But they purposely framed the most difficult questions for JIT.

The work they couldn't do in 126 days, with open hearings and all the media in support of SC, they expect the same (if not more) work to be completed by JIT in 60 days..



I don't have access to give positive rating, otherwise, I would have given it to your this post.. What I wanted to explain in my long post, you have explained in few lines..

We were discussing earlier what Addl Dir in SECP discussed over the phone.

You have also mentioned something that was discussed, and there is likelihood of that! And if further pressure is put on JIT from all sides (PMLN and this Bench), they might resign from this JIT.

And believe me; then not even Saqib Nisar can save what's going to happen. It can stump this bench and put it in an extremely awkward position where they will have to go ahead and announce fair and just decision.

Wajid Zia has played well by submitting their reports even before this bench took up the petition of Babloo. That has trumped at least two of the three judges in the bench.

@Farah Sohail - if anyone makes NS go home without fully charge sheeting him; with MC and Geo, Express and Dunya they will paint N$ as shaheed.

IK should stop making this demand.

 

[Farah Sohail]

It's none of JITs business to decide how they should do it.. They have been asked 13 questions to probe, and I am sure they are not going beyond those 13 questions. SC should take the initiative and tell them that enough is enough, no need to complete all 13 questions, just give us the answer of 1,2 and 3 and that's it.. SC shouldn't instruct them to notify the bench about any non cooperation, instead, permit them to identify the people who didn't cooperate..

But SC is not doing this..

JIT already identifies the culprits who dont cooperate....i think... They have even named the instituitions..who have done forgery.. But we dont know yet abt those instituitions..

Bas mujhe he aitraz hai ke ye baar baar na bulayein.. Ek Dafa kisi ne record nahi diya..ok..then move on .. Jo pehli dafa nahi dey ga..usay aap 10 baar bhi bukayein ge..woh nahi dey ga..so no need to waste time on tht..

 

[PakSword]

I think SC judges should have disqualified,,,or if not tht ..atleast suspended Nawaz sharif and then formed JIT, and asked to proceed with criminal proceedings..just like Justice Khosa and Gulzar have done.. If 3 judges didnt want to disqualify NS..they should have atleast suspended him...

I often wondered..tht Justice Khosa in his verdict...had asked to form an implementation bench..just like 3 judges...to oversee criminal investigations..but he didnt give a time line for tht.. I thought..why didnt he give tht? After going through the points..you mentioned...i can understand now fully..why he didnt give 60 days time line? Maybe because he knew it would be too much to handle.. But still...even after forming an implementation bench to oversee criminal investigations...he had almost suspended Chairman NAB too, and ofcourse disqualified PM too..so tht there would be minimum chances of influence from them.. Verdict of Justice Khosa and Gulzar was surely very wisely and logically written...knowing all the ground realities..

Justice Khosa's verdict was the best verdict in current circumstances. He foresaw what was coming, what other three judges couldn't realize...

Ideal scenario was, (1) PMs disqualification, (2) Criminal investigation under SC without any time limit.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Justice Khosa's verdict was the best verdict in current circumstances. He foresaw what was coming, what other three judges couldn't realize...

Ideal scenario was, (1) PMs disqualification, (2) Criminal investigation under SC without any time limit.

This ideal scenario, tht u mentioned is exactly Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar's verdict...if only one more judge was on their side..

Acha chalein..baqi 3 judges ne disqualofy nahi karna tha...abhi..na kartay... Atleast suspend tu kartay.....uske baad investigations karatay.. When they themselves had written tht all instituitions were under influence of PM... Phir bhi PM hotay huay..JIT investigations?

U r right.. Pressure and workload is huge on JIT ... I sympathise with them too.. Bas jitna hosakay unn se 60 days main..woh kar lein... Aur report SC ko de dein.. Let judges decide after tht.. I am sure even 60 days report would be enough to prove their lies, and hence enough for disqualification of PM.. And then criminal refrences/investgations can continue .. Like Justice Khosa and Gulzar's verdict

 

[Realistic Change]

@PakSword - it's not possible to create fictitious transactions in banks that are involved.

One has headoffice in Bahrain, others in Zurich and New York.

Each Credit has corresponding Debit, and both accounts are perfectly traceable. If they fudge the numbers, their entire report of the day becomes irreconcilable and remains out and books can't be closed.

In short, once a credit is established. Finding the source of origination is not an issue, and that source will obviously match with wealth statement already submitted by $harifs as well as income tax returns.

 

[PakSword]

You have also mentioned something that was discussed, and there is likelihood of that! And if further pressure is put on JIT from all sides (PMLN and this Bench), they might resign from this JIT.

And believe me; then not even Saqib Nisar can save what's going to happen. It can stump this bench and put it in an extremely awkward position where they will have to go ahead and announce fair and just decision.

Tell me who on earth will put his family in danger, put his career advancement in jeopardy, and still will take all the blame from all sides.

I think a couple of them already thought about resigning.. Don't know what is the situation now..

Wajid Zia has played well by submitting their reports even before this bench took up the petition of Babloo. That has trumped at least two of the three judges in the bench.

@PakSword - it's not possible to create fictitious transactions in banks that are involved.

One has headoffice in Bahrain, others in Zurich and New York.

Each Credit has corresponding Debit, and both accounts are perfectly traceable. If they fudge the numbers, their entire report of the day becomes irreconcilable and remains out and books can't be closed.

In short, once a credit is established. Finding the source of origination is not an issue, and that source will obviously match with wealth statement already submitted by $harifs as well as income tax returns.

What about local banks, which have head offices in Pakistan? Can't they make debits and credits balanced of a 20 - 30 years old record?

 

[Farah Sohail]

We were discussing earlier what Addl Dir in SECP discussed over the phone.

You have also mentioned something that was discussed, and there is likelihood of that! And if further pressure is put on JIT from all sides (PMLN and this Bench), they might resign from this JIT.

And believe me; then not even Saqib Nisar can save what's going to happen. It can stump this bench and put it in an extremely awkward position where they will have to go ahead and announce fair and just decision.

Wajid Zia has played well by submitting their reports even before this bench took up the petition of Babloo. That has trumped at least two of the three judges in the bench.

@Farah Sohail - if anyone makes NS go home without fully charge sheeting him; with MC and Geo, Express and Dunya they will paint N$ as shaheed.

IK should stop making this demand.

Yes..even i think..Wajid Zia played a master stroke today by saying forgery is being done by govt instituitions..

Yes.. I think NS shouldnt go home without being fully charge sheeted...IF NS resigns..it shouldnt be voluntaily.. Either SC should ask Nawaz Sharif to go home...as govt instituitions are tampering records.... But NS shouldnt resign himself..at this stage,, it will make him political martyr..

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword - it's not possible to create fictitious transactions in banks that are involved.

I used to believe the same before Panama started. Not just debits and credits, if international banks are involved in any forgery, and they are caught by the clearing houses, it's THE END for the banks..

In local bank scenario, the clearing house in SBP.. and I think SC will accept one side of the remittance detail from a local bank.. validated by SBP. SC won't ask for the receiving end..

But looking at the capabilities of Shareef family.. my whole understanding has changed... these guys can do anything man!

 

[Farah Sohail]

Tell me who on earth will put his family in danger, put his career advancement in jeopardy, and still will take all the blame from all sides.

I think a couple of them already thought about resigning.. Don't know what is the situation now..

plzz dont say this.. I dont want them to resign at any cost..

@bold Godfearing ppl...with integrity... Such ppl will still complete the task and prove their opponents wrong by their dedication and truthfulness..

And i think current JIT are such ppl... They shouldnt resign.. Jitna hosakay..utna kar lein..in 60 days

 

[Realistic Change]

Tell me who on earth will put his family in danger, put his career advancement in jeopardy, and still will take all the blame from all sides.

I think a couple of them already thought about resigning.. Don't know what is the situation now..







What about local banks, which have head offices in Pakistan? Can't they make debits and credits balanced of a 20 - 30 years old record?

Three banks that were involved in main transactions were foreign based (Alfaysal Investment Bank now Ithmaar Bank in Bahrain, HB AG Zurich, and Citibank).

As far as I know re two banks; have archived the sensitive data after BBC's documentary from Illford to Hyde Park. Not sure about third bank though.

The credibility of these institutions is huge and they would promptly provide the transactions as part of their transactions were part of Queens bench's verdict forcing $harifs to pay dues against pledged properties of Parklane.

Obviously JIT knows much more than what a common person like me knows, and they have tons of sources to cross verify and check.