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no.. from what I understand..its a must..tht PM have to be summoned before he can be disqualified..theres a reason this has been mentioned in the verdict... Justice Ijazul Ahsan cant do tht right now...

But verdict clearly says "if found necessary" and "may be summoned". This sentence was just added to help JIT to not hesitate when deciding on calling of PM.

and its logical too... jab JIT bani hi is liye hai ke unhein apna POV denay ka mauqa milay tu PM ke statement se pehlay disqualify nahi karsaktay.... aur agar kardiya tu phir siyasi shaheed..... woh bhi jab sirf kuch days ki baat hai.. PM ka statement record hona hi hai ........ JIT ko ab chahye ke as soon as possible.. PM ka statement record karein.. isay delay na karein... it will depend now a lot on JIT..when PM can be disqualified?

Siyasi Shaheed tou in any case hona hi hai..
 
But verdict clearly says "if found necessary" and "may be summoned". This sentence was just added to help JIT to not hesitate when deciding on calling of PM.

Ek aur baat bhi hai.. whole bench will have to decide ..when the issue of disqualification shall be considered... ye nahi hosakta hai ke har judge ...alag alag time par decide karay... jab bhi kisi case ka verdict aata hai tu ek hi date par aata hai.. verdict main judges differ karsakty hain...lekin ye kabhi nahi hota...ke koi ek judge kahay ke mere khyal main case clear hochuka hai..main ab verdict de raha hon..baqi baad main de dein ge

is tarah se hi yahan... bhi,,I don't think ke Justice Ijazul Ahsan akelay uth kar keh saktay hain ke mere khyal man ab disqualification ka matter clear hai..aur ab main verdict de raha hoon..baqi baad main kar dein... either whole bench decides ke disqualification ka matter abhi raise hona ya hosakta hai..ya nahi? koi bhi judge alag se disqualification ka time decide nahi karsakta... theres no such legal precedent.. either whole bench has to be satisfied abt the timing...when disqualification should be decided...at which stage? us main beshak verdict main differ karein...lekin date ya timings main nahi karsaktay... esp junior most judge tu bilkol nahi karsakta..I think.. its always the bench head which decides..what happens in the court?

kher jo bhi jo..decision ka time tu hamesha aik hi hota hai... different time par diff judges decision nahi detay kabhi bhi... is tarah disqualification ke issue raise karnay ka time bhi ek hi hoga, pooray bench ki taraf se.. justice Ijazul Ahsan akelay nahi decide karsaktay ke main ab disqualify karraha houn.. ya tu baqi 2 judge bhi razi hon..warna nahi hosakta
 
Ek aur baat bhi hai.. whole bench will have to decide ..when the issue of disqualification shall be considered... ye nahi hosakta hai ke har judge ...alag alag time par decide karay... jab bhi kisi case ka verdict aata hai tu ek hi date par aata hai.. verdict main judges differ karsakty hain...lekin ye kabhi nahi hota...ke koi ek judge kahay ke mere khyal main case clear hochuka hai..main ab verdict de raha hon..baqi baad main de dein ge

is tarah se hi yahan... bhi,,I don't think ke Justice Ijazul Ahsan akelay uth kar keh saktay hain ke mere khyal man ab disqualification ka matter clear hai..aur ab main verdict de raha hoon..baqi baad main kar dein... either whole bench decides ke disqualification ka matter abhi raise hona ya hosakta hai..ya nahi? koi bhi judge alag se disqualification ka time decide nahi karsakta... theres no such legal precedent.. either whole bench has to be satisfied abt the timing...when disqualification should be decided...at which stage? us main beshak verdict main differ karein...lekin date ya timings main nahi karsaktay... esp junior most judge tu bilkol nahi karsakta..I think.. its always the bench head which decides..what happens in the court?

kher jo bhi jo..decision ka time tu hamesha aik hi hota hai... different time par diff judges decision nahi detay kabhi bhi... is tarah disqualification ke issue raise karnay ka time bhi ek hi hoga, pooray bench ki taraf se.. justice Ijazul Ahsan akelay nahi decide karsaktay ke main ab disqualify karraha houn.. ya tu baqi 2 judge bhi razi hon..warna nahi hosakta

Haan yeh theek kaha aap ne.. But Justice Aijaz can call the bench that he has reached to the conclusion. So lets have special hearing and finish this matter once and for all. Justice Advocate, being head of the bench, can still decide not to call for special hearing.

Anyway, both the bench and JIT have become extremely controversial, and I put the responsibility on Pakora's shoulders, because JIT related controversy could still be managed, but controversies around bench carry huge impact.

Everything was going fine, till that -------- Nihal Hashmi's incitement, and bench unfortunately fell for it. They shouldn't have called Nihal Hashmi, or if they had called him, Pakora shouldn't have given that stupid remark.

Why only Pakora gave those remarks, not Aijaz ul Ahsan or Advocate? Because the later are intelligent judges and understand the consequences, or Pakora is more intelligent than them who wanted to benefit PMLN in the longer run.

JIT ko controversial banatay banatay poora bench hi controversial banadia..

Now I suspect that Mr. Pakora may say, his impartiality has been challenged, because PMLN thinks that he has already made up his mind against government, he is separating from the bench.

Wah kia scene hoga dekhnay wala...

Agar first day, Advocate ya Pakora sirf yeh keh detey ke yeh remarks karwai se hazaf kiey jaein, tou impact itna shadeed na hota, aur bikau anchors ko bhi yeh kehnay ka moqa nahi milta ke NS ke saath ziadti horahi hai..

Our history (Sajjad Ali Shah's episode) tells us that how some judges, in exchange of brief cases and future governorship, sold their souls and no one could see the impact at that time. It was later after some years that people started recognizing that the judges did that in exchange of some benefits.

Hum jazbati qaum hain.. uss waqt tou wah wah karletey hain, consequences nahi dekhtay.. Just see what happened when the picture was released by a PTI leader, and how inadvertently (or maybe with full knowledge of consequences), he made fun of Hussain. That was exactly what PMLN wanted. The pic was being circulated by ordinary PMLN goons and no one was noticing it.. The moment Ali Zaidi tweeted that pic, the whole media and PMLN started playing with the feeling of its supporters...

I discussed it with the overseas PTI member, and he also said that Ali Zaidi did it in his foolishness, but IK should still investigate, whether it was his foolishness or he did it intentionally.
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Abb yeh dekhain.. Someone is telling that Nawaz Sharif has called Nihal a traitor.. I think this is the video all about (haven't watched it yet).

Now SC can't put the blame on PMLN/ NS on Nihal Hashmi's yesterday's address.. Although everyone knows who is playing these masterstrokes.

Nawaz is playing this game very cleverly. Hamain maanna parega ke he is not an ordinary politician.. He is 100 times more cunning than Zardari.. while he keeps innocent face all the time..

Sab ko khadday line laga dia NS ne..


@Farah Sohail
 
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Why only Pakora gave those remarks, not Aijaz ul Ahsan or Advocate? Because the later are intelligent judges and understand the consequences, or Pakora is more intelligent than them who wanted to benefit PMLN in the longer run.

Agar first day, Advocate ya Pakora sirf yeh keh detey ke yeh remarks karwai se hazaf kiey jaein, tou impact itna shadeed na hota, aur bikau anchors ko bhi yeh kehnay ka moqa nahi milta ke NS ke saath ziadti horahi hai..

Advocate ne tu iss liye remarks nahi diye..kiun ke advocate ne tu aj tak kabhi bhi sharif family ke against koi single remark nahi diya..... na hi hearing main aur na hi verdict main.. us main inteliigence ya wisdom nahi balke shayad advocate sharif family ke against bolnay ko gunah samajhtay houn.. who tu kabhi nahi kahein ge.. pakora judge hamesha se baton main sher hain.. baghair sochy samjhay boltay hain..

Justice Ijazul Ahsan is always very careful abt remarks.. woh critical remarks aur questions kartay hian..lekin rash ya insulting remarks kabhi nahi detay...

@bold.. kia aap kal ki baat karrahy hain...ke kal advocate ya pakora ko yeh kehna chahye tha ke mafia walay remarks hazaf kar dein? yeh keh rahay hain aap k yeh kal karna chahye tha?

aur doosri baat yeh ke jaisy aap ne kaha ke Justice Ijazul Ahsan ...advocate se keh saktay hain ke mera khyal hai ke ab disqualification ka matter raise hona chahye..lekin who force nahi karsaktay advocate ya pakora judge ko.. esp advocate ko..kiun ke who is bench ke head hain... woh decide karein ge Justice Ijazul Ahsan ki..is baat ko accept karein ya na karein..ke finish this matter once and for all..by calling a special hearing? advocate is par kia karein ge...ye tu hum sab hi jaantay hain... woh abhi filhal Justice Ijazul Ahsan ki kisi aisi baat ko accept nahi karein ge..esp jab ke abhi PM ka statement bhi record nahi hua,, advocate will try and give max time to sharif family.. its very unfortunate tht advocate is the head of this bench...

Bench ke head se kitna difference hota hai..is se hi dekh lein ke jab Justice Anwar Zaheer JAmali thay tu woh panama case ki lambi lambi dates detay thay... balke bench dssolve honay se bhi pehlay bhi ek dafa 2 weeks ka break aaya tha...ke koi 2 judges busy hain... aur uske baad winter holidays se 2 weeks pehle hi bench dissolve kar diya

Jab Justice khosa bench ke head banay...tu unhon ne pehle hi din keh diya tha ke daily hearings hongi.. woh tu pakora judge ki wajah se 2 weeks break aagaya tha...

so here..advocate is the head of this bench... this is very unfortunate for us.. agar Justice Ijazul Ahsan senior most hotay tu bhtt better hota

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Abb yeh dekhain.. Someone is telling that Nawaz Sharif has called Nihal a traitor.. I think this is the video all about (haven't watched it yet).

Now SC can't put the blame on PMLN/ NS on Nihal Hashmi's yesterday's address.. Although everyone knows who is playing these masterstrokes.

Nawaz is playing this game very cleverly. Hamain maanna parega ke he is not an ordinary politician.. He is 100 times more cunning than Zardari.. while he keeps innocent face all the time..

Sab ko khadday line laga dia NS ne..


@Farah Sohail

judges itnay bewaqoof nahi hosaktay ke saara issue na samajh sakein..ke drama horaha hai... agar woh jaan boojh kar bewaqoof banein tu alag baat hai (pakora and advocate especially)

Nawaz Sharif ko Justice Khosa aur Gulzar sahi samjhay thay... tab hi tu unhon ne woh verdict diya tha
 
Is it just me or the reporter said "stretcher" in an attempt to say "the stature" :lol:
Well, whatever NS and Nihal Hashmi both have the same level ... If our nation was educated and aware of its rights and also if the generals and establishment did not back NS... He won't even get elected as a member of the national assembly.
 
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^ Absolutely true not an iota of doubt - that is why extreme measures are being taken to take head-on with SCP.

@Verve - MI and ISI reps are the same that of Dawn Leaks and surprisingly PMLN has no issues with them *hint hint*

Yes, this was a flaw that SCP did not address initially that how these recordings will be protected, hence Interior Ministry has access and control over it till Friday, there were reports that it is being discussed how to make it more transparent and there may be a petition to make it public - and that will put PMLN in extremely tight spot. I doubt that few judges of the bench will let their prerogative slip away that easily.

Plus - let me reiterate; JIT has a job to do which is to seek answers of 13 framed questions. Either they can establish the trail and "halalness" of money or not.

There is no grey area. Either $harifs will be innocent or guilty.

right on ..“Stupidity isn't punishable by death. If it was, there would be a hell of a population drop.


“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
Albert Einstein


laymen or being fooled by law man.......
WAITING FOR 2 GENERATIONS FOR JUSTICE
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Is it just me or the reporter said "stretcher" in an attempt to say "the stature" :lol:
Well, whatever NS and Nihal Hashmi both have the same level ... If our nation was educated and aware of its rights and also if the generals and establishment did not back NS... He won't even get elected as a member of the national assembly.

What a con artist Nawaz is; decides in a high level on May 26th to use Nihal Hashmi as hand grenade to disrupt the process.

Things get out of hand and SCP reacts more quickly than anticipated, PMLN hurriedly dismisses (apparently) Hashmi from party (lying of course).

PMLN gets caught off guard. Discusses issue with their partner PPP, Aitzaz changes his stance and Raza Rabbani gets advice from Zar to save $har as when and if this accountability starts; then it won't stop at $har.

Issues anonymous communique criticizing proceedings (not decision) of SCP and gets away with it without telling who issued it avoiding the wrath.

If Hashmi's membership was cancelled by $har then he stands disqualified from Senatorship as it was party based election and he is bound by party. Such a drama by $har.

Obviously, $har believes that direction of wind is quite unfavourable for him; his weaker leaders (who have no standing of their own) knows their survival is possible if $har survives. That's why strategy to go all out!

Risk is worth taking; looks like $har will be out and disqualified / barred.

He has to use money to get public opinion maker in his favour through e.g., Geo, Express and Dunya and once opinion is primed then build up the public contact campaign and present themselves as helpless and wronged.

Hashmi had been pawn and his sacrifice will be painted as for fight for democracy, and opinion making expert in yellow journalism will twist and muddle the issues to confuse and give an impression that "establishment" has turned against us, and by sacrificing few months of rulership will present itself as "mazloom" and get the sympathy vote which they would have lost if they did not create this confusion.
 
What the hell with this JIT of Panama Case ? why a criminal was sitting inside the AC room? according to SC, this is Criminal Joint Investigation so criminal must be sit outside under the sun and officials should drag him like Punjab police for the interrogation/investigation. We've already saw U.S president proceedings on live Camera, how he was badly insulted in front of the world. We have also seen how U.S. Army Commander to Afghanistan Gen. Petraeus insulted btw invesgiations by McCain and other officials. Gen. Petraeus behoosh hogaya tha uske bhi video available hei... is choor kay bachay kay saath bhi wesa ho jesay sab kay sath hota hey.
because we are all slaves of baadshah salamat..

Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves.



Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves....
REAL JUSTICE IS THIS....

‘Ali ibn Abu Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, lost a shield that was dear to him and later found it in the hands of a non-Muslim citizen who was selling it in one of Koofah’s markets. When he saw it, ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said: “This is my shield that fell off my camel on so and so night at such and such time.” The man answered: “No, this is my shield in my hand.” ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, replied: “No, it is mine since I never sold it or gave it to anyone.”

The man agreed to let a judge decide, which ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, accepted. They went to Shurayh who asked ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, for his side of the story. ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said that the shield was his and that he had found it with that man; it had fallen off his camel and he had never sold it or given it to anyone. The judge turned to the other man asking his story. The man said that he did not accuse ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, of lying, but the shield was his, as it was in his hands.
Shurayh turned to ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, saying: “I believe you, but we need the testimony of two witnesses to back your story.” ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said that there was his aide Qanbar and his son Al-Hassan, may Allah be pleased with him, to which the man replied that a son could not testify for the benefit of his father. Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said: “O Allah, a man who is promised paradise cannot act as a witness! Have you not heard what the Prophet, may Allah be pleased with him, said that Al-Hassan and Al-Hussayn, may Allah be pleased with them, were the masters of the youths of paradise? Shurayh said: “Yes, I have, but a son cannot bear witness for his father.”

Then ‘Ali turned to the man and said: “Take the shield, as I have no other witnesses.”
The man, who was a non-Muslim, then said: “O ‘Ali, the shield is yours. What a great religion! I can sue ‘Ali and get a judge to pass a decision for my benefit! I declare myself a Muslim.” He told the judge that he was following the army and had seen the shield fall down and picked it up. ‘Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, then told him to keep the shield, and on top of that, he also gave him a horse. Soon after, the man was seen under Ali’s leadership fighting the Khawaarij [Kharijites –are one of the deviant sects, who follow their whims and desires and innovation, and deviated from the path of Ahlus-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah].
 
What a con artist Nawaz is; decides in a high level on May 26th to use Nihal Hashmi as hand grenade to disrupt the process.

Things get out of hand and SCP reacts more quickly than anticipated, PMLN hurriedly dismisses (apparently) Hashmi from party (lying of course).

PMLN gets caught off guard. Discusses issue with their partner PPP, Aitzaz changes his stance and Raza Rabbani gets advice from Zar to save $har as when and if this accountability starts; then it won't stop at $har.

Issues anonymous communique criticizing proceedings (not decision) of SCP and gets away with it without telling who issued it avoiding the wrath.

If Hashmi's membership was cancelled by $har then he stands disqualified from Senatorship as it was party based election and he is bound by party. Such a drama by $har.

Obviously, $har believes that direction of wind is quite unfavourable for him; his weaker leaders (who have no standing of their own) knows their survival is possible if $har survives. That's why strategy to go all out!

Risk is worth taking; looks like $har will be out and disqualified / barred.

He has to use money to get public opinion maker in his favour through e.g., Geo, Express and Dunya and once opinion is primed then build up the public contact campaign and present themselves as helpless and wronged.

Hashmi had been pawn and his sacrifice will be painted as for fight for democracy, and opinion making expert in yellow journalism will twist and muddle the issues to confuse and give an impression that "establishment" has turned against us, and by sacrificing few months of rulership will present itself as "mazloom" and get the sympathy vote which they would have lost if they did not create this confusion.
No problem!!! every pharoah reached his final destination so will he. The count down has started.
 
No problem!!! every pharoah reached his final destination so will he. The count down has started.

The chain of this khabeess insaan has run out out ... what we are witnessing right now is the moment when the strap around his neck is being tightened.

One could relate to the story of a dog on leash that's (let's say) 500 meters long ... as long as the dog runs within 500m it will be fine. Now imagine the dog running at full speed and hits the 500m mark where chain runs out ... what will happen to it then with a strap around it's neck? And that is what's happening with Nawaz & family now - in slow motion.
 
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اسلام آباد:حدیبیہ کیس کےاہم کردارجاویدکیانی کی جےآئی ٹی میں3بارپیشی،ذرائع
شریف برادران کیخلاف منی لانڈرنگ الزامات میں جاویدکیانی پروعدہ معاف گواہ بننےکیلیے دباؤ، ذرائع
جاوید کیانی کا منی لانڈرنگ الزامات میں وعدہ معاف گواہ بننے سے انکار، ذرائع
جاوید کیانی نے جے آئی ٹی کو حدیبیہ کیس میں اپنی بریت کے فیصلے کی دستاویزات دیں،ذرائع
جے آئی ٹی میں جاوید کیانی سےتفصیلی پوچھ گچھ کی گئی، بیان رکارڈ کرایا، ذرائع
جاوید کیانی کو پرویز مشرف دور میں نیب نے حدیبیہ پیپرز مل کیس میں گرفتار کیا تھا
نیب تفتیشی افسران عدالت میں جاویدکیانی کیخلاف کوئی ٹھوس ثبوت پیش نہ کرسکے تھے

Jitna yea JIT ki reports public nahi kerain gay utna PMLN faida uthaye gi.

Infact live coverage dikhao channels per JIT ki. Yea drama band kero PMLN ka

Aur Saif-ur-Rehman nay GEO ko interview dya hai. Abhi telecast ho ga aur bataye ga Qatari aye ga ya nahi
 
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