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@PakSword @Farah Sohail yaar kya krty ho ap dono!!
Always being pessimistic! :)
Things are going in right direction, trust me! The meeting is not what you are SAYING it is (even though you do not know it, don't you think accusing ANYONE without knowing the details and speculating in such matters in quite damaging to our cause?)
Army will lose all its credibility and moral authority in Pakistan with any such move. Agr awam ka sb sa itebaar uth gya tu ya tu yeh awam mar jai ge ya maar dy ge!! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.

Please refrain from spreading despair my friends!

Al right sir..

Everyone is an Angel.. Even Nihal Hashmi is putting his share in the betterment of Pakistan...

Abb khhushh hogaey aap?
 
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GEO NEWS

جے آئی ٹی نے قطرکی الثانی فیملی کو دوسراخط لکھ دیا ،ذرائع
انتہائی اہمیت نوعیت کا کیس ہے ، جے آئی ٹی کا الثانی خاندان کو خط
لندن فلیٹس، شریف خاندان سے کاروباری شراکت سےمتعلق تفصیلات درکارہیں،خط ،ذرائع
جے آئی ٹی نے الثانی فیملی کو بیان رکارڈ کرانےکےلیے3 آپشن دے دیے،ذرائع
جے آئی ٹی کے دو ممبرز قطر آکر بیان رکارڈ کرسکتے ہیں، ذرائع
لندن فلیٹس کی ملکیت،کاروباری شراکت سے متعلق سوالات کے تحریری جواب دے سکتےہیں، ذرائع

آپ کا بیان وڈیو لنک کے ذریعے بھی لیا جاسکتا ہے،جے آئی ٹی کا خط ،ذرائع

Phir Qazi Family ki statement bhi isi tarhan lay lo
 
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Things are going in right direction, trust me! The meeting is not what you are SAYING it is (even though you do not know it, don't you think accusing ANYONE without knowing the details and speculating in such matters in quite damaging to our cause?)
Army will lose all its credibility and moral authority in Pakistan with any such move. Agr awam ka sb sa itebaar uth gya tu ya tu yeh awam mar jai ge ya maar dy ge!! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.

Please refrain from spreading despair my friends!

NRO wali meetings ka pehle se bataya jaata hai ke ye NRO wali meeting hai ya ye nahi hai?

@bold so u mean to say tht Army has gained more credibility after historic settlement on dawn leaks? didnu u hear COAS statement after all hue and cry from public on tht dawn leaks settlement? he says ke mere betay ne pehle kaha tha ke aap ne ghalat faisla kiya.. after tht historic u turn ...betay ne kaha ke aap ne durust faisla kiya.. jis faislay par poori public shor machaa rahi thee...on historic settlement.. he was saying ke mere betay ne kaha ke aap ne acha faisla kiya.. and this statement..he gave AFTER public reaction...

Ek taraf PM ki beti... ab inke betay..

ab aap expect karein ke police kuch na karay..phir bhi tareefein kartay rahein.. NAB kuch na karein...tareefein kartay hain.. Kiya humari Nawaz Sharif se koi personal enmity hai? kiya Chairman NAB se humein personal grudge hai? Pak police se?

In ko bura is liye boltay hain because they don't perform as is expected from them.. jo bhi bura karay ga..usay hum kahein ge...

Main ban honay ke darr se ya FIA ke darr se sach bolna nahi chor sakti
 
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Kaddu aur Goonglo donoon nahi gaye ajj JIT main

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Al right sir..

Everyone is an Angel.. Even Nihal Hashmi is putting his share in the betterment of Pakistan...

Abb khhushh hogaey aap?
LOLZ
First, i am not a "sir"!
Second, NO, MEIN ZRA KUSH NI HUA FROM YOUR POST, I though you would understand my point better than most here.
Third, bahi Nihal Hashmi choor ha, Nawaz Sharif choor ha, Imran Khan Choor ha, Army choor, civilin choor, JO MARZI HA KAHO AP!! Just do not spread a negative though or preception in current situation based on an observation. Ap honestly btao, how many times have we believed and lost that hope and then believed again in last few months? Pray for good things, do whatever you can do to get that and spread the message across. Agr ALLAH NA KRY asi koi baat hoi jasay ap n @Farah Sohail kah rahay ho 10-15 posts say, tu hum MIL KA army ko n sb gandy siasiat danon ko galin dain dy, not just us but a major part of this nation will join in. However we should not start doing that just because of we "think" about something that "might happen"!! No need to start passing verdicts and judgements on each single tweet or event as that way the verdict and judgement is continuously changing.

Just a friendly suggest dear, I am sorry if you didn't liked it. Ap ke marzi ha byshak sark pa ja ka tyre jalana start kr do ka army na deal "KR LEE" ha already. I was just putting forward what i feel is the right way to deal with such things.
 
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Otherwise have courage and come out on streets and drag those SOBs on the streets who have plundered our wealth.

Awaam ko tou uljhadia gaya hai daal roti main.. woh becharay sarkon pe niklain ya apnay biwi bachon ko 2 waqt ki roti kama ke dain.. aik din bhi kaam nahi kartay, unn ke ghar faqay hojatay hain..

Bechari awaam..
 
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GEO NEWS

جے آئی ٹی نے ایس ای سی پی کے چیئرمین ظفرحجازی کو طلب کرلیا،ذرائع
ایس ای سی پی کے چیئرمین کو طلبی کا نوٹس جاری کردیا گیا، ذرائع
ایس ای سی پی کے چیئرمین ظفرحجازی اسی ہفتے جے آئی ٹی میں پیش ہوٕں گے، ذرائع
ظفرحجازی سے پاناماکیس،آف شورکمپنیوں کی تحقیقات سے متعلق سوالات کیے جائینگے، ذرائع
 
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Awaam ko tou uljhadia gaya hai daal roti main.. woh becharay sarkon pe niklain ya apnay biwi bachon ko 2 waqt ki roti kama ke dain.. aik din bhi kaam nahi kartay, unn ke ghar faqay hojatay hain..

Bechari awaam..
If they dont come out, ultimately they will live on faqas for life, rather live a worse life then that.
 
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LOLZ
First, i am not a "sir"!
Second, NO, MEIN ZRA KUSH NI HUA FROM YOUR POST, I though you would understand my point better than most here.
Third, bahi Nihal Hashmi choor ha, Nawaz Sharif choor ha, Imran Khan Choor ha, Army choor, civilin choor, JO MARZI HA KAHO AP!! Just do not spread a negative though or preception in current situation based on an observation. Ap honestly btao, how many times have we believed and lost that hope and then believed again in last few months? Pray for good things, do whatever you can do to get that and spread the message across. Agr ALLAH NA KRY asi koi baat hoi jasay ap n @Farah Sohail kah rahay ho 10-15 posts say, tu hum MIL KA army ko n sb gandy siasiat danon ko galin dain dy, not just us but a major part of this nation will join in. However we should not start doing that just because of we "think" about something that "might happen"!! No need to start passing verdicts and judgements on each single tweet or event as that way the verdict and judgement is continuously changing.

Just a friendly suggest dear, I am sorry if you didn't liked it. Ap ke marzi ha byshak sark pa ja ka tyre jalana start kr do ka army na deal "KR LEE" ha already. I was just putting forward what i feel is the right way to deal with such things.

Firstly..we must understand tht this is a public forum.. yahan maqsad hi debate hai.. yahan har tarah ke POVs aayein ge.. ye expect karna ke har ek ...same POV ko le kar chalay ga...aisa nahi hosakta.. aur yehi discussion forum ki beauty hai...why do we get so defensive ...if we criticize army? hum har instituition ko criticize kartay hain..jo ghalat karay... As I said, humari kisi se dushmani nahi hai.. even NS se bhi koi personal grudge nahi hai...
aap jo argument dey rahay hain ke hum negativity spread karrahay hain..PML N ke supporters, Imran khan ko yehi kehtay hain ke yeh negativity spread karta hai..ye anarchaist hai..ye instituitions ki insult karta hai

We don't criticize based on what we "think" but what "has happened" ..

Humari agar kisi ke baaray main opinion ghalat sabit ho..tu hum apologise bhi kar lein ge... hum zidd par datnay walon main se nahi... lekin ab har taraf bura horaha ho...aur expect karein ke ..sab ek awaaz se kahein..ke nahi....sab acha hai.....ye nahi hosakta...
 
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LOLZ
First, i am not a "sir"!
Second, NO, MEIN ZRA KUSH NI HUA FROM YOUR POST, I though you would understand my point better than most here.
Third, bahi Nihal Hashmi choor ha, Nawaz Sharif choor ha, Imran Khan Choor ha, Army choor, civilin choor, JO MARZI HA KAHO AP!! Just do not spread a negative though or preception in current situation based on an observation. Ap honestly btao, how many times have we believed and lost that hope and then believed again in last few months? Pray for good things, do whatever you can do to get that and spread the message across. Agr ALLAH NA KRY asi koi baat hoi jasay ap n @Farah Sohail kah rahay ho 10-15 posts say, tu hum MIL KA army ko n sb gandy siasiat danon ko galin dain dy, not just us but a major part of this nation will join in. However we should not start doing that just because of we "think" about something that "might happen"!! No need to start passing verdicts and judgements on each single tweet or event as that way the verdict and judgement is continuously changing.

Just a friendly suggest dear, I am sorry if you didn't liked it. Ap ke marzi ha byshak sark pa ja ka tyre jalana start kr do ka army na deal "KR LEE" ha already. I was just putting forward what i feel is the right way to deal with such things.

Sir tou aap ko respect main kaha tha..

Dekhain, aik baat tou main aaj aap ko batata hun ke main kia believe karta hun.. Muslims ki in general condition badalnay wali hai.. It is not about Pakistan, or any other specific country.. but as a whole, Muslims are not subject to adverse conditions for more than 100 years in history... I am a strong believer of this. A lot of Ulema also state this fact. Tou yeh tou hogaee positive baat aur mera optimism about Muslims and Islam in general.

Having said that, it doesn't mean that we stop criticizing individuals for what they do. We are not criticizing an institution as a whole, nor we want others to start cursing the institution. But every institution has good and bad people. Fortunately, PA has more good people than bad.. Actually most of them are good, because they have their lives only to put for sacrifice. Other institutions have bad people more than good. Even judiciary, had bad judges, and we have to identify them based on their verdicts.

For example, when Ishaq Dollar first selected 3 individuals, who were compromised, it was us awam who knew raised the voice on this forum and other forums, and then the journalists and others, that someone brought it into attention of the judges who changed them to bring the honest ones. It was us awaam who started praising the new ones (even before they started working) because we knew that they are some of very few who can't be purchased.

After Dawnleaks Saga, although I have been told so many times that it is the masterstroke from this institution and they will take revenge of this national security breach somewhere else, I take every action from them with caution. It is not about the institution, again saying, but only certain individuals.

If they dont come out, ultimately they will live on faqas for life, rather live a worse life then that.

Yaar tell me, how can you convince a man, who has to open his small shop and take all the earnings so that he could feed his children? Tell him about Panama and he will ask you to pardon him..

Main buhat nikla hun bhai, jab tak Pakistan main tha.. kiey baar processions ko attend kia hai jis ka maqsad acha hota tha.. I even attended MQM and Jamaat e Islami processions, when the objective of those processions was to demand something good.. But only people whose pockets are filled, attend.. Others don't.

Yeh tou main hamesha kehta hun, ke Awam ko theek hona parega.. but awaam kaisay theek hogi bhai jab usay jaan boojh ke kameenon ne inn masail main uljha dia hai?
 
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Firstly..we must understand tht this is a public forum.. yahan maqsad hi debate hai.. yahan har tarah ke POVs aayein ge.. ye expect karna ke har ek ...same POV ko le kar chalay ga...aisa nahi hosakta.. aur yehi discussion forum ki beauty hai...why do we get so defensive ...if we criticize army? hum har instituition ko criticize kartay hain..jo ghalat karay... As I said, humari kisi se dushmani nahi hai.. even NS se bhi koi personal grudge nahi hai...
aap jo argument dey rahay hain ke hum negativity spread karrahay hain..PML N ke supporters, Imran khan ko yehi kehtay hain ke yeh negativity spread karta hai..ye anarchaist hai..ye instituitions ki insult karta hai

We don't criticize based on what we "think" but what "has happened" ..

ab har taraf bura horaha ho...lekin expect karein ke ..sab ek awaaz se kahein..ke nahi....sab acha hai.....ye nahi hosakta...
Let me try and break it down for you:
  1. I am not saying that you should not express your POV. My SUGGESTION that rather than announcing a verdict base on every single event please hold back and let things play out a bit. I did gave example of how the POV changes about certain institutions and people three four times a days. If this is an ideal situation in your eye, i am sorry for bringing this up and you are free to continue.
  2. I am by no means against criticizing Army or Imran Khan or Nawaz Sharif or ANYONE. I feel this way just for the religion (and for most of the religions that is), again, my point is why so haphazard statements, aik lamhay mein hum JIT ko galian dy rahy hoty, aik statement atti wahan sa n we are all praise, another statement and hum phr sa against, aagain, it was a SUGGESTION not a restriction from my side ka I THINK ka we should give it some time and avoid passing judgements based on our "findings". AGAIN, if you feel that sharing those findings that are continuously changing with each passing hour is the right way to do it, your decision, go ahead with it.
  3. Har traf bura ni ho raha sis, HUM har traf bura krty aur daikty han!! Aur all we do about it is to POST about it, never do anything to change it. Jb JIT bni the, you know all those who were crying about that. Ab wohi log daily ke proceedings sa kush b ho rahy hoty han. Again, my point is that rather being TOO EMOTIONALLY and in a continious hyper active state at least let the situation play out.
  4. For example, yeji JIT ka log jin ko ap sb tareef krty han, statements were being passed about them that how can a this grade officer question a this grade person, how will they function under NS, how can they do this or that. Now we say that they are doing it all good and fine. Yeh acha na hota ka hum JIT bnnay ka waqt ko comments n verdicts pass kr rahy thy un sa haat rook lyty and tora sa sabr kr ka daik tu lytay ka kya ho raaha ha. This is the same thing i sam saying now.

Anyway, i am sorry @Farah Sohail and @PakSword it seems i was not able to make my point clear or may be you do not liked it at all. May be i should not have asked you for what i did but i cleary stated that this was just a suggestion, not something anyone is enforcing upon you. To me it seems that the RIGHT way is to at least let the thing play out. Not to act like our media who passes on half baked news just in order to BREAK them, SAMA sb sa aagy ka chakar mein aik lafz suty han n us ka jumla kud bna dyty han!! That is what should not be done. That is what i suggested but may be i should not have. Sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings.
 
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GEO NEWS

جے آئی ٹی نے قطرکی الثانی فیملی کو دوسراخط لکھ دیا ،ذرائع
انتہائی اہمیت نوعیت کا کیس ہے ، جے آئی ٹی کا الثانی خاندان کو خط
لندن فلیٹس، شریف خاندان سے کاروباری شراکت سےمتعلق تفصیلات درکارہیں،خط ،ذرائع
جے آئی ٹی نے الثانی فیملی کو بیان رکارڈ کرانےکےلیے3 آپشن دے دیے،ذرائع
جے آئی ٹی کے دو ممبرز قطر آکر بیان رکارڈ کرسکتے ہیں، ذرائع
لندن فلیٹس کی ملکیت،کاروباری شراکت سے متعلق سوالات کے تحریری جواب دے سکتےہیں، ذرائع

آپ کا بیان وڈیو لنک کے ذریعے بھی لیا جاسکتا ہے،جے آئی ٹی کا خط ،ذرائع

Phir Qazi Family ki statement bhi isi tarhan lay lo

Qazi family ki tou iss tarah lerahay thay pehlay bhi..

I think Qatari ko bulwana chahiey tha.. Qatari ne volunteer nahi kia tha.. woh aik ehem gawah hai.. Qazi family tou volunteer kar rahi hai.. inn dono ke status main farq hona chahiey... what do you and others think?

Anyway, i am sorry @Farah Sohail and @PakSword it seems i was not able to make my point clear or may be you do not liked it at all. May be i should not have asked you for what i did but i cleary stated that this was just a suggestion, not something anyone is enforcing upon you. To me it seems that the RIGHT way is to at least let the thing play out. Not to act like our media who passes on half baked news just in order to BREAK them, SAMA sb sa aagy ka chakar mein aik lafz suty han n us ka jumla kud bna dyty han!! That is what should not be done. That is what i suggested but may be i should not have. Sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings.

Aik tou yaar aap jazbaati kar ke rula detey ho banday ko..

Nothing like it man.. It is not about Pakistan, or institutions as whole, our reservations are with certain individuals because of their past actions that's it..

Baqi aap mere bhai ho.. Hamari baaton ka bura nahi manaya karo.. Hum khushi bhi manatay hain.. Aap ko yaad hoga ke main ne saaray JIT members ki report di thi yahan.. iss ka matlab har waqt main negative nahi hota.. Jab achi khabar aayegi, aap ki tarah khush honga.. Jab buri khabar lagegi tou Nihal Hashmi ki tarah behave karunga..

Iss main narazgi wali koi baat nahi.. in shaa Allah halaat achay ki taraf hi ja rahay hain.. bas beech main jo ganda anda milay, kyunke uss ka past gawahi deta ho, usay ganday anday maarnay chahien..

Kaddu aur Goonglo donoon nahi gaye ajj JIT main

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Jab tak yeh JIT members hain, inn ka baap bhi aayega.. Nahin aayegain tou verdict aayega.. Agar JIT ke members ko tabdeel kardia gaya tou aur baat hai.. I think, JIT members khud alag hojaeingay abb.. because of Ansar Abbasi kameenay ki report ki wajah se..
 
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Sir tou aap ko respect main kaha tha..

Dekhain, aik baat tou main aaj aap ko batata hun ke main kia believe karta hun.. Muslims ki in general condition badalnay wali hai.. It is not about Pakistan, or any other specific country.. but as a whole, Muslims are not subject to adverse conditions for more than 100 years in history... I am a strong believer of this. A lot of Ulema also state this fact. Tou yeh tou hogaee positive baat aur mera optimism about Muslims and Islam in general.

Having said that, it doesn't mean that we stop criticizing individuals for what they do. We are not criticizing an institution as a whole, nor we want others to start cursing the institution. But every institution has good and bad people. Fortunately, PA has more good people than bad.. Actually most of them are good, because they have their lives only to put for sacrifice. Other institutions have bad people more than good. Even judiciary, had bad judges, and we have to identify them based on their verdicts.

For example, when Ishaq Dollar first selected 3 individuals, who were compromised, it was us awam who knew raised the voice on this forum and other forums, and then the journalists and others, that someone brought it into attention of the judges who changed them to bring the honest ones. It was us awaam who started praising the new ones (even before they started working) because we knew that they are some of very few who can't be purchased.

After Dawnleaks Saga, although I have been told so many times that it is the masterstroke from this institution and they will take revenge of this national security breach somewhere else, I take every action from them with caution. It is not about the institution, again saying, but only certain individuals.
I really do not need any titles for respect from you. You discussing this with me, having a debate on this online forum and exchanging your views consuming your time is respect enough for me, really. Thank you for that.

One thing that i will like to mention about the general condition of Muslims going to change for good, sadly i believe in "God helps those who help themselves". Currently we are not doing that. THIS needs to change and when it happens i wont need any assurance from anyone to be certain that things are going to change for better. They will, InshAllah but WE WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THEM.

As for army, again, bahi i am not from army, nor is my father or brother. So you may criticize it all you want, in fact, i will do the same as well even if my father or brother were in army, may be even if myself was, MAY BE! The problem is not with criticism but with the assertion of findings as facts. Yes dawn leaks was a major blow to the credibility and image of army and you are not the only one talking things with caution from them. However i still believe that it was just part of the process, it is not over yet and all these things are going to come back to bite NS and his traitor company! I have lots of reservations regarding General Bajwa, many of his actions and statements have not been what i or a patriotic Pakistani would want them to be. May be he is lenient on it, may be he is serving his own interest or may be Rasheel Shareef just set the bar too high for the rest of them. However, the thing is was trying to suggest was that all this is a "MAY BE". To me it is not "Aisa he hua hona", "**** baat ha yehi chakar ha" I will just wait and see what actually that meeting was about before committing to my verdict or point of view on this. Just like i did with JIT or the SC before that. However as i said, JUST A SUGGESTION, Please! Sorry if you disliked it or the way i said it.
 
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Sir tou aap ko respect main kaha tha..

Dekhain, aik baat tou main aaj aap ko batata hun ke main kia believe karta hun.. Muslims ki in general condition badalnay wali hai.. It is not about Pakistan, or any other specific country.. but as a whole, Muslims are not subject to adverse conditions for more than 100 years in history... I am a strong believer of this. A lot of Ulema also state this fact. Tou yeh tou hogaee positive baat aur mera optimism about Muslims and Islam in general.

Having said that, it doesn't mean that we stop criticizing individuals for what they do. We are not criticizing an institution as a whole, nor we want others to start cursing the institution. But every institution has good and bad people. Fortunately, PA has more good people than bad.. Actually most of them are good, because they have their lives only to put for sacrifice. Other institutions have bad people more than good. Even judiciary, had bad judges, and we have to identify them based on their verdicts.

For example, when Ishaq Dollar first selected 3 individuals, who were compromised, it was us awam who knew raised the voice on this forum and other forums, and then the journalists and others, that someone brought it into attention of the judges who changed them to bring the honest ones. It was us awaam who started praising the new ones (even before they started working) because we knew that they are some of very few who can't be purchased.

After Dawnleaks Saga, although I have been told so many times that it is the masterstroke from this institution and they will take revenge of this national security breach somewhere else, I take every action from them with caution. It is not about the institution, again saying, but only certain individuals.



Yaar tell me, how can you convince a man, who has to open his small shop and take all the earnings so that he could feed his children? Tell him about Panama and he will ask you to pardon him..

Main buhat nikla hun bhai, jab tak Pakistan main tha.. kiey baar processions ko attend kia hai jis ka maqsad acha hota tha.. I even attended MQM and Jamaat e Islami processions, when the objective of those processions was to demand something good.. But only people whose pockets are filled, attend.. Others don't.

Yeh tou main hamesha kehta hun, ke Awam ko theek hona parega.. but awaam kaisay theek hogi bhai jab usay jaan boojh ke kameenon ne inn masail main uljha dia hai?
ہے جرم ضعیفی کی سزا مرگ مفاجات۔ پھر غلامی سے کیا ڈرنا
 
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