Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[PakSword]

Khawar Ghumman's clip..

https://twitter.com/x/status/846751062623084545

Baatain tou iss ne sari theek ki hain, lekin yeh iss ka analysis hai sirf..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Baatain tou iss ne sari theek ki hain, lekin yeh iss ka analysis hai sirf..

hmm... ofcourse analysis hi hai.. but I think he is right... dependency define hogi, is case main

 

[PakSword]

main job of judiciary is to interpret laws

Yes you are right, but when the law is not there, or a definition or a clause is required, SC doesn't define or include it itself.

Plus yeh tou sab maantay hain ke form main bhi ghalti thee, koi khana hi nahi thaa. I hope Khawar is correct.. agar aisa hogaya tou kisi aur cheez ki khuwahish nahi rahegi..

 

[Arsalan]

Settled in UK at present (after a few years in Islamabad), but visit every year as parents and the extended family are there. FSD is home ... such a hectic city now compared to 80's when I used to cycle around on empty roads for kms upon kms ...

You are back there for good now that you have tied the knot? or Germany/Europe anytime soon?

Nice to know!!

No i am here in Faisalabad now, for the foreseeable future. No plans to move to another city let alone another country on permanent basis but the work i am in takes to to different places on short trips. Let me know when you are visiting Faisalabad now and may be we can sit for a cup of tea.

 

[PakSword]

hmm... ofcourse analysis hi hai.. but I think he is right... dependency define hogi, is case main

And Khawar is right about many issues in the petitions.

Zaroori nahi hai ke har judge har baat par mutafiq ho.. plus itni petitions hain aur itne maslay hain in petitions main.. time tou lagna chahiey faislay main.. specially when the case is against sitting PM of the country and there is no right of appeal against decision..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yes you are right, but when the law is not there, or a definition or a clause is required, SC doesn't define or include it itself.

Plus yeh tou sab maantay hain ke form main bhi ghalti thee, koi khana hi nahi thaa. I hope Khawar is correct.. agar aisa hogaya tou kisi aur cheez ki khuwahish nahi rahegi..

Mujhe is liye lag raha hai kiun ke kisi judge ne hearing ke dauran bi zikr kiya tha ke hum khud hi is ko define kardein he....is case ke mutaabiq..something to tht effect..

Aur laws main jahan vaccum hota hai..mera khyal hai ke tab SC apni discretion use karsakta hai... Tab hi tu international laws aur cases ke referneces bhi diye jaatay hain verdicts main.. Agar sirf apnay hi available laws par faisla dena ho..ltu international cases ke reference kiun diye jaatay hain? Ke us mulk ke court ne similar case par ye verdict diya...doosray mulk ke court ne ye faisla diya? Kiun ke har mulk ke apnay laws hotay hain..ek doosray se mukhtalif....phir doosray mulkon ke cases kiun quote hotay hain verdicts main? Aisa wahan hi hota jahan kuch define karna ho...

And Khawar is right about many issues in the petitions.

Zaroori nahi hai ke har judge har baat par mutafiq ho.. plus itni petitions hain aur itne maslay hain in petitions main.. time tou lagna chahiey faislay main.. specially when the case is against sitting PM of the country and there is no right of appeal against decision..

Agar tu main verdict waisa hua..jaisy aap ne urti urti suni hai...tab i am sure ke dissenting note zuroor hoga.....is verdict main

@PakSword not.. Exactly related.......but judge ki disscretion bhi hot hai.. Jaisy ek case main, application of law k baaray main bataati hun....dependency ko tu yahan define nahi kiya gaya..lekin ek law ki interpretation/application ke case k baaray main bataati hun......Jaisy Justce Khosa ki book main ek case hai..jahan terrorism ko define kiya gaya hai... Bhtt detailed hai... He wrote tht as judge of lahore high court...Us case ke verdict ke background main unhon ne ye likha hai..ke ye jo verdict main ne likha hai..bhtt detailed hai..aur iss case par mujhe Supreme court se bhtt harsh remarks sunnay ko milay..and i knew tht at time of verdict ke aisa hoga.. Because i crtitcised few cases of Supreme court..ke terrorism ko define karnay main supreme court ne bhtt contradictory faislay diye hain..aur ek new ammendment humaray law main ki gayi hai...jis ko Supreme court ne new cases main khyal nahi rakha.. Kuch cases main woh abhi bhi puranay law ke basis par faislay de rahay hain aur kuch main new law ko apply kia hai.. Aur phir bhtt se international laws se bhi references de kar kaha tha unhon ne ..ke kiun humaray SC ki application of law..un kuch cases main theek nahi thee....

He said..phir SC ne apnay ek case main mere baaray main bhtt harsh remarks likhay thay.. But later, he said ...I got vindicated and it was very satsfying for me ke baad main SC ne meri judgement ko theek samjhaa...aur na sirf ye balke baad main meri is judgement ko as reference quote kiya..apni doosri judgements main... He even said tht i say to my friends in the Supreme court ..tht they owe me an apology for those remarks against me...Lolll...

So mera matlab ye kehnay ka hai..ke judges ki discretion hoti hai...aur bhtt matter karti hai, esp if its a larger bench of supreme court.... Is liye kabhi woh laws ko bhi dismiss karsaktay hain.... Yhan bhi woh chahein tu define karsaktay hain, dependency ko...

 

[Guvera]

Supreme Court orders removal of 95 NAB officials

ISLAMABAD – The Supreme Court on Wednesday ordered the removal of 95 officials of National Accountability Bureau (NAB) who were appointed by violating the eligibility criteria.

The apex court announced the decision after the establishment department submitted a report regarding the illegally appointed officers.

The court orders have been sent for the NAB Karachi DG Major (retd) Shabbir Ahmed, Balochistan DG Tariq Mehmood Dawar, Lahore DG Major (retd) Burhan Ali and NAB Awareness and Prevention Director General Aliya Rasheed, Geo News reported.

Despite the removal of officers, the court directed that a committee should be established comprising the secretary and chairperson of the establishment department, the director general of human resource in NAB and member of Federal Public Service Commission to look into the matters of appointments and promotions of officers.

The committee will handle the case of the 95 officers, besides taking up the appointments of 102 officers, who were selected after being promoted and submit recommendations on these officers to the court within three months.

 

[Verve]

Supreme Court orders removal of 95 NAB officials

ISLAMABAD – The Supreme Court on Wednesday ordered the removal of 95 officials of National Accountability Bureau (NAB) who were appointed by violating the eligibility criteria.

The apex court announced the decision after the establishment department submitted a report regarding the illegally appointed officers.

The court orders have been sent for the NAB Karachi DG Major (retd) Shabbir Ahmed, Balochistan DG Tariq Mehmood Dawar, Lahore DG Major (retd) Burhan Ali and NAB Awareness and Prevention Director General Aliya Rasheed, Geo News reported.

Despite the removal of officers, the court directed that a committee should be established comprising the secretary and chairperson of the establishment department, the director general of human resource in NAB and member of Federal Public Service Commission to look into the matters of appointments and promotions of officers.

The committee will handle the case of the 95 officers, besides taking up the appointments of 102 officers, who were selected after being promoted and submit recommendations on these officers to the court within three months.

FBR last week, NAB this ...

Maybe SC has decided on the safaya in these institutions before proper Panama verdict especially for investigations under the commission.

 

[Guvera]

FBR last week, NAB this ...

Maybe SC has decided on the safaya in these institutions before proper Panama verdict especially for investigations under the commission.

Looks like initial signs of the thunderstorm to me, lets see

 

[Farah Sohail]

Good to know tht 95 officers from NAB are removed... But I am surprised..tht how did Chairman NAB escaped this fate? Why not he was removed or sent to Supreme Judicial Council?

Yeh wohi case, hai, jis main Justice Qazi Faiz Issa aur Justice Amir Hani Mulsim hain? @Guvera ?
Justice Qazi Faiz Isa tu diferent cases main Chairman Nab ko bhtt bura bhala keh chukay hain... He should have suspended him too, or atleast send him to SJC

 

[Verve]

Nice to know!!

No i am here in Faisalabad now, for the foreseeable future. No plans to move to another city let alone another country on permanent basis but the work i am in takes to to different places on short trips. Let me know when you are visiting Faisalabad now and may be we can sit for a cup of tea.

Yeah, chat over coffee/tea would be nice Will definitely ping you when next dates are confirmed to check your availability. May just be this summer for a week or two.

 

[Guvera]

Good to know tht 95 officers from NAB are removed... But I am surprised..tht how did Chairman NAB escaped this fate? Why not he was removed or sent to Supreme Judicial Council?

Yeh wohi case, hai, jis main Justice Qazi Faiz Issa aur Justice Amir Hani Mulsim hain? @Guvera ?
Justice Qazi Faiz Isa tu diferent cases main Chairman Nab ko bhtt bura bhala keh chukay hain... He should have suspended him too, or atleast send him to SJC

Han jee yeh wohi case hai, they have removed 95 officers including DG's baki i think Chairman NAB ka number Panama judgement main ayega thats for sure.

 

[Arsalan]

Yeah, chat over coffee/tea would be nice Will definitely ping you when next dates are confirmed to check your availability. May just be this summer for a week or two.

Perfect. Most probably i will be here anyway, it is unlikely that i am away for more than two weeks in the same time frame when you will be visiting. DO let me know when you are here and we will surely meet.

 

[PakSword]

FBR last week, NAB this ...

Maybe SC has decided on the safaya in these institutions before proper Panama verdict especially for investigations under the commission.

Missing pieces of the puzzle finally being put in the right places..
Chairman NAB in Panama.. Looks like our prediction about removing NAB chairman is correct..

Suspension of PM.. Declaration.. Referral of NAB Chairman to SJC.. Reconsidering Ishaq Dar's confessional statement...

Good going..

 

[Guvera]

And the political monkey's of PMLN & PPP jumping here and there feeling all excited for early elections, i have a very bad news, i had predicted this few days back on this forum that there cant be early elections before new halqa bandiyan based on figures received in population census.

http://ummat.net/latest/2017/03/29/366602.html

Missing pieces of the puzzle finally being put in the right places..
Chairman NAB in Panama.. Looks like our prediction about removing NAB chairman is correct..

Suspension of PM.. Declaration.. Referral of NAB Chairman to SJC.. Reconsidering Ishaq Dar's confessional statement...

Good going..

Some very interesting days ahead.