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[PakSword]

Lekin BAB law ke mutabiq tu agar kisi public office holder ki koi aisi property nikal aaye...jo woh justify na karsakein tu baap ko pakra jaata hai na? Tu PM k bachay justify nahi karsaky, aur phir PM ne bhi tu har speech doosre se different ki hai,,,ye tu PM ne accept kiya hai khud hi ke properties humari hain, national assemblybki speech main,, hum ne khareeday..ye kaha tha..ke huzoor ye hain woh wasaail aur zaraye..jin se ye flats khareeday gaye..tu PM ne tu accept kia hai..phir PM ka kaisy link nahi nikalta? Aur jo doosra qoum se khitab kia tha..us main PM ne ek aur kahani sunaayi thee

Dekhain main yeh keh raha hun ke abhi tak inquisitorial proceedings huee hain.. you can't expect anything out of these proceedings without proper evidence recording.

App ne biilkul theek kaha ke baap ko pakra jaega... lekin investigation ke liey only.. Once investigation is complete and PM or his children aren't able to satisfy courts, PM is gone..

Daada sirf apnay ek potay ko kiun dey ga? Baqi potay bhi tu hain..aur beech main daada ka beta hai..jo ke PM reh chuka hai, 2 baar..tu betay ka link kaisy nahi? Jab ke koi bank transaction nahi...aur pakora judge ne kaha tha ke kia paisy oonton par le kar gaye thay?

Require investigation.. Aap apna comment dobara parhain.. aap khud "sawalaat" kar rahi hain.. yehi sawalaat judges ke bhi hain, jin ke jawabaat nahi aaye.. it was an inquisitorial proceeding.. Iss ke do hi nateejay nikalnay thay.. ya tou iss ko frivolous keh kar kharij kar dia jata, agar PM saaray kaghzaat le aatay, ya phir iss ko trial court main convert kardia jaata agar PTI verified docs de deti ya PM ke lawyer docs ko tasleem kar letey.. Agar yeh dono kaam nahi huey tou iss ka matlab investigation is required.. by whom? NAB.. but now NAB is not functional in the eyes of SC. So SC can investigate by itself.

Family members are not public office holders..lekin PM ne Maryam Nawaz ko dependent likha tha, tax documebts main, aur election se pehlay.. Lekin Maryam ne atleast Pakistan main tu agricultural land bhi accept kar liya hai, tu assets concel karna jurm nahi hai?

Iss pe judges aakhir tak shash o panj main mubtila thay.. kyun ke hamaray qanoon main dependent ki koi definition nahi hai.. kabih dictionary ka sahara lia gaya court main, kabhi kisi aur mulk ki misaal di gaee.. abb yeh judges par hi munhasir hai ke kis ka moaqqif tasleem kartay hain. PM ne tou kaha hai ke form main koi jaga hi nahi thee iss liey ghalat jaga likh dia gaya..

Lolll...
Advocate ijaz Afzal tu ab bhi yehi chahtay honge... Pakora judge ka 100% kuch krh nahi sakti.....end main woh kuch sudhar tu gaye thay..lekin aaj kal unka kia mood hai? Kuch kaha nahi jaasakta....

hmm no one knows what's in the minds of judges..

 

[Verve]

@PakSword aaj devil's advocate play Kar rahay hain ... Kya hoa?

 

[Farah Sohail]

Mujhe nahi kuch samajh aaraha...... Main bas ye jaanti hoon ke poori family chor hai..aur bas ... In ko article 62/63 par disqualify hona hi chahye

Lekin waqayi aap theek keh rahay hain ke judges ke mood ka kuch pata nahi... dono taraf ke remarks diye hain unhon ne main ne kal parha ke case ke shuru main justice Khosa ne bhi ye remark diya tha ke..kia insaf ki khaatir qanoon ko rondte huay chalay jaayein? although ke baad main unhon ne Pm ke against bhi bhtt ziada remakrs diye ke case honesty ka hai, article 66 corruption par apply nahi hota.....waghera waghera

Ab kuch samajh nahi aaraha ke judges ka kia mood hai?

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword aaj devil's advocate play Kar rahay hain ... Kya hoa?

lolll.. nahi yaar..

Actually, mujhay disqualification nazar nahi aarahi.. main tou pehlay din se keh raha hun ke suspension hi hogi iss case main at most.. lekin mujhay khatra yeh hai ke kaheen suspension ke baad commission PM ko clean chit na de de.. At least Pakistan ki tou yehi tareekh rahi hai... hum south koreans tou nahi hain.. na hi hamaray judges ki tarbiat aur parwarish achi hoti hai generally (not talking about this bench).

Mujhe nahi kuch samajh aaraha...... Main bas ye jaanti hoon ke poori family chor hai..aur bas ... In ko article 62/63 par disqualify hona hi chahye

Lekin waqayi aap theek keh rahay hain ke judges ke mood ka kuch pata nahi... dono taraf ke remarks diye hain unhon ne main ne kal parha ke case ke shuru main justice Khosa ne bhi ye remark diya tha ke..kia insaf ki khaatir qanoon ko rondte huay chalay jaayein? although ke baad main unhon ne Pm ke against bhi bhtt ziada remakrs diye ke case honesty ka hai, article 66 corruption par apply nahi hota.....waghera waghera

Ab kuch samajh nahi aaraha ke judges ka kia mood hai?

To be very honest, hamaray judges unfortunately insaaf deney main kafi kanjoos waqea huay hain.. aur yeh bench kuchh mukhtalif nahi hai..

Aaj bulalain kisi Canadian, Australian, British judge ko, aur yehi qanoon dedain uss ke haath main ke iss ke mutabiq proceeding karni hai, na 10 din main faisla kadia uss ne.. 3 din inquisitorial, 3 din evidence recording, 3 din trial court aur aakhri din disqualification aur saza..

 

[Farah Sohail]

To be very honest, hamaray judges unfortunately insaaf deney main kafi kanjoos waqea huay hain.. aur yeh bench kuchh mukhtalif nahi hai..

Aaj bulalain kisi Canadian, Australian, British judge ko, aur yehi qanoon dedain uss ke haath main ke iss ke mutabiq proceeding karni hai, na 10 din main faisla kadia uss ne.. 3 din inquisitorial, 3 din evidence recording, 3 din trial court aur aakhri din disqualification aur saza..

Mujhe lagta ahi ke qanoon ke andar rehtay huay..ye judges max jis hadd tak jaa sakay...woh zuroor jaayein ge... Mujhe lagta ahi ke qanoon ke mutabiq...max harsh verdict possible, dein ge.... Babar awan ne bhi yu kaha hai ke 184-3 ke tehet bhtt aisay faislay huay hain, aur disqualification bhi hosakti hai... Sheikh Rashid ne bhi aisi examples di hain ke 184-3 ke case main disqualification hosakti hai.. Tu main thori si hopeful zuroor hoon lekin sure nahi..ke disqualification zuroor hogi.. Am hoping for a declaration on 62/63 warna suspension par hi sabar kar lein ge

 

[Mansoon]

When is decision coming out? After elections?

 

[Farah Sohail]

Baji ki baatein aur baji ke khwab...

https://twitter.com/x/status/843398479556857856

https://twitter.com/x/status/843398956918980608

https://twitter.com/x/status/843408083594502147

https://twitter.com/x/status/842760058006093825

https://twitter.com/x/status/842713388597874688

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[Guvera]

There are multiple possibilities:

1 - If judges do not consider 62/ 63, NS can't be disqualified. I don't think judges will apply 62/ 63 as it is not yet clear who lied, PM or his children.

2 - Judges have said in their remarks that 99% of the evidences provided by both parties are not admissible (as they are not verified/ validated). Court hasn't called Qatari prince as well. So a massive investigation is required to clear any doubts. To do this:

2(a) - Judges may investigate through NAB, which is the right institution to carryout this task. However, NAB chairman has told the court he can't act without regulator's instruction. This has impacted his credibility as everyone knows that their is no regulator on NAB and he was clearly referring to the people who have appointed him. Judges also suspect it. So NAB options is gone.

2(b) - bench may form a commission to investigate the matter further. It is very much possible, but since judges have realized by looking at the responses provided by FBR, NAB and Attorney General (who all should have been impartial in the court), that fair investigation can't be carried out unless current PM stops working. Suspension of a public officer is a routine affair in Pakistan by the way, so judges will not face any criticism when applying the laws. I am foreseeing this option.

2(c) - bench may still refer the investigation to NAB, but after sending NAB chairman to judicial council, without suspending PM, and asking PM to appoint a better NAB chairman. It is within the law again, but it will be a big joke for people like us.

2(d) - bench may form a commission giving all the authorities of NAB to that commission, without asking or forcing PM to step down. To be very honest, 2(b) and 2(d) are very much possible. I am going with 2(b) though.



Yaar yeh baat do din pahlay keh detay, meri neend yunhi kharaab ki aap ne!

When ur considering 62/63 which is Sheikh Rasheed's petition, dont forget to consider Ishaq Dar's confessional statement & Hudaibya Case, remember Judge's have said that this confessional statement can be used against PM.

Mujhe lagta ahi ke qanoon ke andar rehtay huay..ye judges max jis hadd tak jaa sakay...woh zuroor jaayein ge... Mujhe lagta ahi ke qanoon ke mutabiq...max harsh verdict possible, dein ge.... Babar awan ne bhi yu kaha hai ke 184-3 ke tehet bhtt aisay faislay huay hain, aur disqualification bhi hosakti hai... Sheikh Rashid ne bhi aisi examples di hain ke 184-3 ke case main disqualification hosakti hai.. Tu main thori si hopeful zuroor hoon lekin sure nahi..ke disqualification zuroor hogi.. Am hoping for a declaration on 62/63 warna suspension par hi sabar kar lein ge

Rukawat Qanoon nahi hai, rukawat niyat or courage hai........ 184-3 main bench kisi bhi hadh tak ja sakta hai there is no limitation at all by book of law, sirf will or courage ki zarorat hai and most importantly Pakistan or pakistaniyon ka dard, 2 din is poray larger bench ko interior sindh ya south punjab main chor do to live with poor villagers and farmers inkay hosh na thikanay ajayen tu mera naam badal dena.

 

[QatariPrince]

https://twitter.com/x/status/843398956918980608

https://twitter.com/x/status/843408083594502147

in other words she is saying "Mein papa ki pari hon"

 

[Guvera]

We have to see the over all political situation in pakistan in a wider perspective, why suddenly courts are so active ? why they are being ordered to give strict decisions against corruption ? why so much pressure from establishment for military courts ? why no NRO as yet with political elite ? The answer is quickly changing geo political & economic situation in the region and above all "The CPEC". Pakistani Establishment along with china knows very well that they cant risk billion $ project CPEC at any cost considering the fact that foreign agencies are very active and looking here and there to sneak in and hit CPEC and offcourse Pak china friendship. One thing was understood very well that CPEC cant be left to political parties lead by the likes of Sharif, zardari and Altaf, its a proven fact now that all these three and few others are direct security threat for pakistan (Dawn leaks & Memogate + Haqqani leaks).
Its a very well planned strategy to get rid of these three one by one and i have to agree with Shahid Masood when he say its "Minus Three", it all started with minus Altaf (i used to insist on this particular forum that minus altaf is on the cards and there is only one person who is going to lead new MQM and that is Mustafa Kamal.......you can find all those threads and my posts if they still exist). After successfully implementing minus one its now time for minus two. Pakistan deserves competent and clean leadership who can take the country ahead, do remember Justice Khosa"s words "We will give such a verdict that people will remember it for 20 years" this is how i analyse current political situation and in a nutshell i do expect a strict judgement on Panama Case and in a worst case a simple Commission to investigate further.

I wrote this detailed analysis on friday and Mr Humayun Gauhar sahab have copy pasted it all in his column on sunday for online daily indian paper, How Smart !!!

The three are Altaf Hussain, Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari
Humayun Gauhar
Sunday, March 19,2017
The chessboard represents our odious status quo created by our man eating political system; the pieces are the beneficiaries of the system and their minions. They drag the country down and deny the people their rights and pull them down increasingly into poverty and deprivation.

That the trend has started going against Nawaz Sharif is that Imran Khan and Jahangir Khan Tarin have won their cases against the nefarious references sent to the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) by Nawaz Sharif’s henchman and obedient servant National Assembly speaker Ayaz Sadiq. The ECP threw out the references as not maintainable, which means that the government had no case to the extent that they were tantamount to nonsense. Big victory for Imran; big defeat for Nawaz, which may be a precursor for a bigger defeat in the offing. Nawaz’s lawyer must have a hundred eggs on his face, because it means that he is not capable even of making a maintainable case. Shamefully, Sadiq (Ayaz, not Mir) refused to send the ECP the reference against his master. Mud on his face, not egg. That he is biased is patently obvious. That he is not custodian of the House but Custodian of the House of Sharif is patently obvious too. That he will not resign is also patently likely for it is patently obvious as well that he is shameless. People say he is ‘not a bad guy’, but then what is ‘not a bad guy’ doing in such a bad party under such an awful leader? This applies to all the ‘not so bad guys and gals’ in all our cannibal political parties. Shamelessness stalks the land like the Grim Reaper. Funny to see Nawaz Sharif’s attack dogs squealing like stricken bull pups whose tails have been stepped on talking errant nonsense and saying that Imran only won because of a ‘technicality’. Fact is that he (and Tarin) won. So lump it and stop whining. Too bad for the stricken bull pups. Three cheers for justice. Actually, ‘not maintainable’ means that it is such rubbish that time cannot be wasted on it. Let me labour the point: Imran and Tarin won a great victory and Nawaz Sharif faced an embarrassing defeat. The nonsense of invoking the alleged corruption of Imran’s and Tarin’s fathers, even if true and I don’t know whether it is or not, not having seen any proof, is to forget what God has told us, that the sins of the father shall not be visited upon his children. So what the hell are they squealing about anyway? Go home and stop disgracing yourselves and polluting our television channels with your sycophantic claptrap.

The ‘Minus Three’ formula has been doing the rounds for some time now, whose essence is that Pakistan can only be saved and the status quo upturned for one better if three demons are ejected from its body politic, namely Altaf Hussain of the MQM, current Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of the PML(N) — ‘N’ being the first letter of his name, so personalized have our politics become — and Asif Zardari, co-Chair of the PPP (with his son Bilawal Zardari as ceremonial chairman) and President of the PPPP — People’s Party of Pakistan Parliamentarians would you believe, the neatest piece of sophistry I have seen for long.

Who came up with this admirable Minus Three formula I don’t know, but it has to be one or some of the usual suspects, foreign and national. Its admirable not only does it makes eminent common sense to get rid of the virus in one’s body politic, they are letting it happen in the natural and legal course of things.

Minus One: Altaf Hussain has already been ejected already by the revolt of his party against him, his MQM splitting into three factions. He has ceased to be a relevant factor in Pakistani politics. Karachi has been liberated of his baneful influence.

Minus Two: Nawaz Sharif may be on the cusp of being ousted by the Supreme Court in the Panama corruption scandal. The judgment has to come any day otherwise you know what justice delayed means — justice denied. The people are thirsting for balanced justice, Adl andInsaf. It is the bounden duty of the Supreme Court to provide it and set the precedent for the lower courts to follow. A State without justice is no State at all, just an unruly mob led by mobsters each with a piece of his own ‘turf’. Go and see the film ‘Godfather’ again and see what I mean. The Godfather was above the State and the law. But Pakistan is not a movie or an illusion that something on celluloid is. It is a State with real people who have been incrementally suffering far too long while a few godfathers and their henchmen have been raking it in and prospering far too much. It has to end now if Pakistan has to survive.

Minus Three: Asif Zardari has been put into deep trouble amounting to treason by his own appointee, former ambassador to the US Hussain Haqqani. Haqqani has long been regarded, rightly or wrongly, as a US agent and an ISI agent too. If true, that’s some achievement.

Feelings cannot be ‘proved’ or ‘disproved’ until they come right or wrong. I have this feeling that happy days lie ahead. The chessboard will be upturned and with it the status quo; all the pieces will fall off and be smashed to smithereens.

Yes, we have Hussain Haqqani to thank for confirming in an article in the ‘Washington Post’ what we already knew, that he had issued hundreds of visas to unverified unofficial CIA ‘contractors’, assassins really, bypassing the normal checking procedure of the intelligence agencies on the illegal orders of his master, President Asif Zardari through his puppet prime minister, Yusuf Reza Gillani, who was later thrown out by the Supreme Court for other reasons to do with Zardari’s corruption. Haqqani should have known the difference between right and wrong, patriotism and treason and resigned. It is all very well for the PPP’s leader of the opposition Khursheed Shah to call Haqqani a traitor and try and wash his hands of the affair, but the bigger traitors are Gillani and Zardari and I’m sure many others. They and all their henchmen should be hauled up and tried for treason and if found guilty punished under the law. It will be a long-delayed cleansing exercise.

The PPP’s Sherry Rahman, Pakistan’s ambassador to the US before Haqqani, may be unwitting right, that Haqqani may have written the article under some pressure. Sure, but whose pressure? Conscience? I wouldn’t bet on it. Nawaz Sharif’s through some common friend? Possibly. Or was it US pressure to get rid of him and achieve Minus Three? We may never know.

What, one may ask, was the army doing during all this? The ISI? Were they asleep or were they complicit? When Osama Bin Laden was allegedly killed in Abbotabad, were they asleep or were they complicit here as well? What made former ISI chief Lt. Gen. Shuja Pasha to make winkle out Raymond Davis, of one of the CIA contractors and killer two, and send him back to America? Time that former army chief at the time General Kiyani and General Pasha stood up. No more holy cows please. Just by blaming Haqqani for doing something he could not have done alone and not get those who made him do it because they all kowtow to America will not do. And what about the other Pakistani missions in the Middle East from where such visas were also issued in like manner? It’s a long story in which many a Mir Sadiq and Mir Jaffar are involved. Time to exterminate them like pests.

Why could the Supreme Court be taking so long? What follows is pure conjecture. Mine could be over optimism. The judgment could be a damp squib, but I find that highly unlikely given what’s at stake. The judges know that better than I, that their judgment will determine the future course of Pakistan and it’s 230 million people. Five judges hold Pakistan’s future in their hands and if they don’t come to deliver justice, history will never forgive them and neither will the Almighty.

The judges might also be contemplating what rocking the boat might portend and what the post-Nawaz scenario may be like. No one knows but whatever it is, it will be better than what we have now.

I hold before me what the head of the bench Justice Khosa said when at the end of the arguments, that the judges are Muslims who fear God and that their judgment will be so seminal that history will remember it even 20 years later. More power to their elbow. May God be with them.

As to the army, now that the judiciary is getting rid of those who spread ‘Fitna’, the mischief-makers, the military should remain focused on getting rid of ‘Fasad’, discord and disharmony in the land spread by Fitna. They should not try and ‘engineer’ the natural evolutionary political process; instead they should try to encourage it along, however painful it may be. Only if the State is in danger should they intervene directly. Our dark night of plunder and mayhem may, just may, be about to come to an end. No one should delay the dawn however well meaning they think they are. The long, frightening nights of wailing and gnashing of teeth may hopefully be nearly over.

If I don’t get the chance again, Happy Republic Day on March 23. Actually, it could be around this day that we get our second independence, this time from the yoke of the evil, plundering, megalomaniac political mafias that have established hegemony over us for so long. I hope we are headed for a bright new dawn free from the spots and stigma of plunderers past.

http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/...e-Altaf-Hussain-Nawaz-Sharif-and-Asif-Zardari

 

[IceCold]

I wrote this detailed analysis on friday and Mr Humayun Gauhar sahab have copy pasted it all in his column on sunday for online daily indian paper, How Smart !!!

The three are Altaf Hussain, Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari
Humayun Gauhar
Sunday, March 19,2017
The chessboard represents our odious status quo created by our man eating political system; the pieces are the beneficiaries of the system and their minions. They drag the country down and deny the people their rights and pull them down increasingly into poverty and deprivation.

That the trend has started going against Nawaz Sharif is that Imran Khan and Jahangir Khan Tarin have won their cases against the nefarious references sent to the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) by Nawaz Sharif’s henchman and obedient servant National Assembly speaker Ayaz Sadiq. The ECP threw out the references as not maintainable, which means that the government had no case to the extent that they were tantamount to nonsense. Big victory for Imran; big defeat for Nawaz, which may be a precursor for a bigger defeat in the offing. Nawaz’s lawyer must have a hundred eggs on his face, because it means that he is not capable even of making a maintainable case. Shamefully, Sadiq (Ayaz, not Mir) refused to send the ECP the reference against his master. Mud on his face, not egg. That he is biased is patently obvious. That he is not custodian of the House but Custodian of the House of Sharif is patently obvious too. That he will not resign is also patently likely for it is patently obvious as well that he is shameless. People say he is ‘not a bad guy’, but then what is ‘not a bad guy’ doing in such a bad party under such an awful leader? This applies to all the ‘not so bad guys and gals’ in all our cannibal political parties. Shamelessness stalks the land like the Grim Reaper. Funny to see Nawaz Sharif’s attack dogs squealing like stricken bull pups whose tails have been stepped on talking errant nonsense and saying that Imran only won because of a ‘technicality’. Fact is that he (and Tarin) won. So lump it and stop whining. Too bad for the stricken bull pups. Three cheers for justice. Actually, ‘not maintainable’ means that it is such rubbish that time cannot be wasted on it. Let me labour the point: Imran and Tarin won a great victory and Nawaz Sharif faced an embarrassing defeat. The nonsense of invoking the alleged corruption of Imran’s and Tarin’s fathers, even if true and I don’t know whether it is or not, not having seen any proof, is to forget what God has told us, that the sins of the father shall not be visited upon his children. So what the hell are they squealing about anyway? Go home and stop disgracing yourselves and polluting our television channels with your sycophantic claptrap.

The ‘Minus Three’ formula has been doing the rounds for some time now, whose essence is that Pakistan can only be saved and the status quo upturned for one better if three demons are ejected from its body politic, namely Altaf Hussain of the MQM, current Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of the PML(N) — ‘N’ being the first letter of his name, so personalized have our politics become — and Asif Zardari, co-Chair of the PPP (with his son Bilawal Zardari as ceremonial chairman) and President of the PPPP — People’s Party of Pakistan Parliamentarians would you believe, the neatest piece of sophistry I have seen for long.

Who came up with this admirable Minus Three formula I don’t know, but it has to be one or some of the usual suspects, foreign and national. Its admirable not only does it makes eminent common sense to get rid of the virus in one’s body politic, they are letting it happen in the natural and legal course of things.

Minus One: Altaf Hussain has already been ejected already by the revolt of his party against him, his MQM splitting into three factions. He has ceased to be a relevant factor in Pakistani politics. Karachi has been liberated of his baneful influence.

Minus Two: Nawaz Sharif may be on the cusp of being ousted by the Supreme Court in the Panama corruption scandal. The judgment has to come any day otherwise you know what justice delayed means — justice denied. The people are thirsting for balanced justice, Adl andInsaf. It is the bounden duty of the Supreme Court to provide it and set the precedent for the lower courts to follow. A State without justice is no State at all, just an unruly mob led by mobsters each with a piece of his own ‘turf’. Go and see the film ‘Godfather’ again and see what I mean. The Godfather was above the State and the law. But Pakistan is not a movie or an illusion that something on celluloid is. It is a State with real people who have been incrementally suffering far too long while a few godfathers and their henchmen have been raking it in and prospering far too much. It has to end now if Pakistan has to survive.

Minus Three: Asif Zardari has been put into deep trouble amounting to treason by his own appointee, former ambassador to the US Hussain Haqqani. Haqqani has long been regarded, rightly or wrongly, as a US agent and an ISI agent too. If true, that’s some achievement.

Feelings cannot be ‘proved’ or ‘disproved’ until they come right or wrong. I have this feeling that happy days lie ahead. The chessboard will be upturned and with it the status quo; all the pieces will fall off and be smashed to smithereens.

Yes, we have Hussain Haqqani to thank for confirming in an article in the ‘Washington Post’ what we already knew, that he had issued hundreds of visas to unverified unofficial CIA ‘contractors’, assassins really, bypassing the normal checking procedure of the intelligence agencies on the illegal orders of his master, President Asif Zardari through his puppet prime minister, Yusuf Reza Gillani, who was later thrown out by the Supreme Court for other reasons to do with Zardari’s corruption. Haqqani should have known the difference between right and wrong, patriotism and treason and resigned. It is all very well for the PPP’s leader of the opposition Khursheed Shah to call Haqqani a traitor and try and wash his hands of the affair, but the bigger traitors are Gillani and Zardari and I’m sure many others. They and all their henchmen should be hauled up and tried for treason and if found guilty punished under the law. It will be a long-delayed cleansing exercise.

The PPP’s Sherry Rahman, Pakistan’s ambassador to the US before Haqqani, may be unwitting right, that Haqqani may have written the article under some pressure. Sure, but whose pressure? Conscience? I wouldn’t bet on it. Nawaz Sharif’s through some common friend? Possibly. Or was it US pressure to get rid of him and achieve Minus Three? We may never know.

What, one may ask, was the army doing during all this? The ISI? Were they asleep or were they complicit? When Osama Bin Laden was allegedly killed in Abbotabad, were they asleep or were they complicit here as well? What made former ISI chief Lt. Gen. Shuja Pasha to make winkle out Raymond Davis, of one of the CIA contractors and killer two, and send him back to America? Time that former army chief at the time General Kiyani and General Pasha stood up. No more holy cows please. Just by blaming Haqqani for doing something he could not have done alone and not get those who made him do it because they all kowtow to America will not do. And what about the other Pakistani missions in the Middle East from where such visas were also issued in like manner? It’s a long story in which many a Mir Sadiq and Mir Jaffar are involved. Time to exterminate them like pests.

Why could the Supreme Court be taking so long? What follows is pure conjecture. Mine could be over optimism. The judgment could be a damp squib, but I find that highly unlikely given what’s at stake. The judges know that better than I, that their judgment will determine the future course of Pakistan and it’s 230 million people. Five judges hold Pakistan’s future in their hands and if they don’t come to deliver justice, history will never forgive them and neither will the Almighty.

The judges might also be contemplating what rocking the boat might portend and what the post-Nawaz scenario may be like. No one knows but whatever it is, it will be better than what we have now.

I hold before me what the head of the bench Justice Khosa said when at the end of the arguments, that the judges are Muslims who fear God and that their judgment will be so seminal that history will remember it even 20 years later. More power to their elbow. May God be with them.

As to the army, now that the judiciary is getting rid of those who spread ‘Fitna’, the mischief-makers, the military should remain focused on getting rid of ‘Fasad’, discord and disharmony in the land spread by Fitna. They should not try and ‘engineer’ the natural evolutionary political process; instead they should try to encourage it along, however painful it may be. Only if the State is in danger should they intervene directly. Our dark night of plunder and mayhem may, just may, be about to come to an end. No one should delay the dawn however well meaning they think they are. The long, frightening nights of wailing and gnashing of teeth may hopefully be nearly over.

If I don’t get the chance again, Happy Republic Day on March 23. Actually, it could be around this day that we get our second independence, this time from the yoke of the evil, plundering, megalomaniac political mafias that have established hegemony over us for so long. I hope we are headed for a bright new dawn free from the spots and stigma of plunderers past.

http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/...e-Altaf-Hussain-Nawaz-Sharif-and-Asif-Zardari

It was a good read thanks for sharing it up. The red part, you wrote it yourself?

 

[Guvera]

It was a good read thanks for sharing it up. The red part, you wrote it yourself?

It was my post on this particular thread which was being copy pasted by humayun sahab very craftly in online indian daily newspaper. Below is my post in red which i wrote on friday.

We have to see the over all political situation in pakistan in a wider perspective, why suddenly courts are so active ? why they are being ordered to give strict decisions against corruption ? why so much pressure from establishment for military courts ? why no NRO as yet with political elite ? The answer is quickly changing geo political & economic situation in the region and above all "The CPEC". Pakistani Establishment along with china knows very well that they cant risk billion $ project CPEC at any cost considering the fact that foreign agencies are very active and looking here and there to sneak in and hit CPEC and offcourse Pak china friendship. One thing was understood very well that CPEC cant be left to political parties lead by the likes of Sharif, zardari and Altaf, its a proven fact now that all these three and few others are direct security threat for pakistan (Dawn leaks & Memogate + Haqqani leaks).
Its a very well planned strategy to get rid of these three one by one and i have to agree with Shahid Masood when he say its "Minus Three", it all started with minus Altaf (i used to insist on this particular forum that minus altaf is on the cards and there is only one person who is going to lead new MQM and that is Mustafa Kamal.......you can find all those threads and my posts if they still exist). After successfully implementing minus one its now time for minus two. Pakistan deserves competent and clean leadership who can take the country ahead, do remember Justice Khosa"s words "We will give such a verdict that people will remember it for 20 years" this is how i analyse current political situation and in a nutshell i do expect a strict judgement on Panama Case and in a worst case a simple Commission to investigate further.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Rukawat Qanoon nahi hai, rukawat niyat or courage hai........ 184-3 main bench kisi bhi hadh tak ja sakta hai there is no limitation at all by book of law, sirf will or courage ki zarorat hai and most importantly Pakistan or pakistaniyon ka dard, 2 din is poray larger bench ko interior sindh ya south punjab main chor do to live with poor villagers and farmers inkay hosh na thikanay ajayen tu mera naam badal dena.

I hope ke bench courageous decision dey... Waisy mujhe is bench ke majority judges se achi umeed hai...except Advocate Ijaz Afzal, aur pakora judge ke baaray main abhi sure nahi hoon ke aaj kal unka kia mood hai? Hearing ke end tak kuch sudhar tu gaye thay..lekin phir bhi unka kuch pata nahi..

Ye jo decision delay horaha hai..kahin iski wajah ye tu nahi ke is bench ke judges main concensus na horaha ho...aur ye log chah rahy hon ke unanimous decision dein? Arif Nizami ne bhi aaj apnay column main likha hai, ke decision delay honay ki ek wajah ye bhi hosakti hai...

Agar concensus na hua, tu end main phir dissenting notes ke saath hi hosakta hai ke decision de dein.. Advocate Ijaz Afzal se tu mujhe poori umeed hai ke unka dissenting note hoga

in other words she is saying "Mein papa ki pari hon"

Aap zara in ki saari tweets parhein jo main ne yahan post ki hain..esp woh tweets jin ko baji ne reply kia hai...zara un tweets/ links ko open karein....ufffff..itni makhan bazi..aur upar se baji ke replies...ufff...

 

[Guvera]

I hope ke bench courageous decision dey... Waisy mujhe is bench ke majority judges se achi umeed hai...except Advocate Ijaz Afzal, aur pakora judge ke baaray main abhi sure nahi hoon ke aaj kal unka kia mood hai? Hearing ke end tak kuch sudhar tu gaye thay..lekin phir bhi unka kuch pata nahi..

Ye jo decision delay horaha hai..kahin iski wajah ye tu nahi ke is bench ke judges main concensus na horaha ho...aur ye log chah rahy hon ke unanimous decision dein? Arif Nizami ne bhi aaj apnay column main likha hai, ke decision delay honay ki ek wajah ye bhi hosakti hai...

Agar concensus na hua, tu end main phir dissenting notes ke saath hi hosakta hai ke decision de dein.. Advocate Ijaz Afzal se tu mujhe poori umeed hai ke unka dissenting note hoga

Decision ka judges ke mood se koi taluq nahin but yes i agree yeh ek reason hosakta hai delay ka ke kuch chezon ya points pe bench ka concensus na ho raha ho and they r trying for unanimous judgement.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Decision ka judges ke mood se koi taluq nahin but yes i agree yeh ek reason hosakta hai delay ka ke kuch chezon ya points pe bench ka concensus na ho raha ho and they r trying for unanimous judgement.

Mood se mera matlab tha ke is case ke hawaaly se judges ka kia mood hai? Pakora judge shuru main tu bilkol Nawaz Sharif ki side letay thay....although ke end tak aatay aatay woh kafi sudhar chukay thay.., ab duaa karein ke woh phir se pehlay walay phase main na chale gaye hun.....

@PakSword @Guvera @QatariPrince IHC gives clean chit to Hamid Saeed Kazmi......ab darr lag raha hai ke kahin panama case main bhi kuch aisa hi na hojaye