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Yahan tak tu aap ki baat theek hai lekin ye jo pakora judge aur doosre nawaz sharif k sathi judge justce ijaz ul hasan hain...un par mujhe bilkol bharosa nahi hai... Woh zuroor koi na koi raasta nikal kar nawaz sharif ko bacha lein ge...

On another note..guys.....watch Farogh Nasim on dunya tv right now.. He said court is asking for connections between the available evidence.. Pti lawyer ko chahye tha ke in cheezon par focus karte ke evidence law kia kehta hai, purana 1974 ka tax law kia kehta hai..phir available evidences ko relate karein PM se ..lekin abhi tak in cheezon oar PTI k lawyers ne koi arguments nahi diye... In cheezon par focus karna chahye...jab hi adalat ki taraf se aise remarks aarahay hain... In cheezon ko dekh kar PTI ko apni strategy banani chahye thee... Lekin kiun ke PTI ne in cheezon par focus nahi kia..tu is hisab se PM ke lawyer ki strategy bilkol theek hai ...

Farogh Nasim is a brilliant lawyer.. Inki baat par dehan dena chahye PTI ki legal team ko... Lekin unhein ye bataye ga kon?

PTI ne abhi sirf kuch documents submit kiye hain , PTI saray Panama Papers buy kr chuki hai foreign firm k through .. jo German newspaper ne aj dekhae hain ... PTI ne abhi yeh dekhaya hai k 2006 se pehle bhee yeh property en ki thee ... jub PTI ka lawyer aye ga tub ko baqi documents submit karein ge 92/93 se .. Yad rakhiye Hacker ne Company k saray documents hack kiye hain ... !

Then question uthey ga ... k 92/93 me jub bachay 18 or 19 yrs k thay tu yeh flats kese buy kr liye :D :D zahir si baat hai paise Panama sharif ne diye hain :D :D
 
PTI ne abhi sirf kuch documents submit kiye hain , PTI saray Panama Papers buy kr chuki hai foreign firm k through .. jo German newspaper ne aj dekhae hain ... PTI ne abhi yeh dekhaya hai k 2006 se pehle bhee yeh property en ki thee ... jub PTI ka lawyer aye ga tub ko baqi documents submit karein ge 92/93 se .. Yad rakhiye Hacker ne Company k saray documents hack kiye hain ... !

Then question uthey ga ... k 92/93 me jub bachay 18 or 19 yrs k thay tu yeh flats kese buy kr liye :D :D zahir si baat hai paise Panama sharif ne diye hain :D :D

Ye walay jo documents german newspaper ne aaj aikhaye hain ...ye PTI bhi pehle submit karchuki hai..ye new documents nahi hain... Lekin court ne ye kaha tha ke hum in documents ko authentic kaisy maan lein?
Tu ab agar PTI ke pass mazeed documents bhi hain...aur woh bhi submit kar dein..tab bhi judges...esp pakora judge yehi kahein ge..ke sabit karein ke ye asli documents hain? Hum kaisy maan lein ke ye original documents hain? Phir kahein ge ke hacked documents ki authenticity kaisy maan lein? PTi jo bhi le aaye..inhon ne yehi kehna hai ke thos saboot kaayen... Bhai kahan se laayein? Jo bhi laatay hain..judges uski maante nahi...
 
Ye walay jo documents german newspaper ne aaj aikhaye hain ...ye PTI bhi pehle submit karchuki hai..ye new documents nahi hain... Lekin court ne ye kaha tha ke hum in documents ko authentic kaisy maan lein?
Tu ab agar PTI ke pass mazeed documents bhi hain...aur woh bhi submit kar dein..tab bhi judges...esp pakora judge yehi kahein ge..ke sabit karein ke ye asli documents hain? Hum kaisy maan lein ke ye original documents hain? Phir kahein ge ke hacked documents ki authenticity kaisy maan lein? PTi jo bhi le aaye..inhon ne yehi kehna hai ke thos saboot kaayen... Bhai kahan se laayein? Jo bhi laatay hain..judges uski maante nahi...


Hahaha ap theek keh rahein hain ... en documents ko authenticate krne me time nae lagey ga agr court chahey tu sirf ek order nikal sakti hai k jaye authenticate krwa k laen .. or yeh baat yad rakhein k judges khud bhee investigate kr rahe hain .. khud bhee bol chuke hain judges k sub yad rakhein k adalat khud bhee investigate kr rahi hai ... abhi kuch din pehle court ne newzealand ki court ka feesla sunaya tha .. jub PM k Lawyer Immunity maang rahe thay ... wo investigate krne k baad he sunaya tha phr PM k lawyer thanday hu gye thay ...

adalat chah rahi hai PTI sub Panama Papers submit kara de phr authentication ka mamla aye ga ... ! abhi tu maryam or hussain nawaz ki stories chalein gi 2 weeks tuk ! :D :D

Mujhe ghussa araha hai Jamati Islami ki lawyer pe ajeeb time waste kr raha hai :angry::angry: Pora din nikaal diya aj ka ... behti ganga me hath dhu rahi hai Jamat e Islami :angry::angry:
 
Hahaha ap theek keh rahein hain ... en documents ko authenticate krne me time nae lagey ga agr court chahey tu sirf ek order nikal sakti hai k jaye authenticate krwa k laen .. or yeh baat yad rakhein k judges khud bhee investigate kr rahe hain .. khud bhee bol chuke hain judges k sub yad rakhein k adalat khud bhee investigate kr rahi hai ... abhi kuch din pehle court ne newzealand ki court ka feesla sunaya tha .. jub PM k Lawyer Immunity maang rahe thay ... wo investigate krne k baad he sunaya tha phr PM k lawyer thanday hu gye thay ...

adalat chah rahi hai PTI sub Panama Papers submit kara de phr authentication ka mamla aye ga ... ! abhi tu maryam or hussain nawaz ki stories chalein gi 2 weeks tuk ! :D :D

Mujhe ghussa araha hai Jamati Islami ki lawyer pe ajeeb time waste kr raha hai :angry::angry: Pora din nikaal diya aj ka ... behti ganga me hath dhu rahi hai Jamat e Islami :angry::angry:

Ji...tu lag raha hai k maamla judicial commission ki taraf jaa raha hai aur commission ki taraf janay ka matlab hai ke lambi chutti... Matti pao...phir case bhtt lamba chalay ga... Kafi maheenY bhi kag saktay hain... Aur result bhi kahin waisa na ho jaisy election rigging case main tha... Agar pakora judge ya justice ijaz afzal beth gaye commission main...tu baat hi khatam hojaye gi....
 
PTI ne abhi sirf kuch documents submit kiye hain , PTI saray Panama Papers buy kr chuki hai foreign firm k through .. jo German newspaper ne aj dekhae hain ... PTI ne abhi yeh dekhaya hai k 2006 se pehle bhee yeh property en ki thee ... jub PTI ka lawyer aye ga tub ko baqi documents submit karein ge 92/93 se .. Yad rakhiye Hacker ne Company k saray documents hack kiye hain ... !

Then question uthey ga ... k 92/93 me jub bachay 18 or 19 yrs k thay tu yeh flats kese buy kr liye :D :D zahir si baat hai paise Panama sharif ne diye hain :D :D

Yaar @biloo700 yunhi khuwah ma khuwah khush horahay ho aap.

Let me tell you the real story behind all these evidences.

1 - Even if PTI submits company registration documents under the name of hasan/ hussain/ maryam, court will ask for attested, verified copy. Photocopies are not acceptable. I heard someone in PTI once said that Maryam's passport copy is attested, but he didn't realize that it is again a "copy of the "attested copy"". PTI being a third party, can't get the documents attested.

2 - When PMLN brought the Qatari letter, they have in fact said that there is no money transferred from Pakistan, so there is no trail as well. To prove Qatari letter wrong, PTI needs to submit what I have mentioned in point #1, which they can't get.

3 - Burden of proof on Sharif family is from 2006 onward, not prior to 2006, because they have only "accepted" the ownership of property from 2006. To prove this claim wrong, PTI needs to submit what I have mentioned in point #1, which they can't get. There is a reason why the best lawyers also say that even after Panama leaks, if they hadn't accepted the ownership, it would have been extremely difficult to prove the ownership.

4 - The evidences that can destroy Qatari letter are (a) decree of UK court in Al Taufeeq lawsuit, (b) the investigation performed by FIA/ NAB in the past.

5 - We have no idea why court is reluctant in (a) accepting the court decree. For (b), they are just taking the responsibility off their shoulders by saying that WHY NAB DIDN'T PURSUE THE CASE.

6 - Any recording, if done without the knowledge of the target, is not an acceptable evidence in the court of law.

The only benefit that we can get from this Panama case is that it can serve as an awareness campaign against known crooks. But the downside is that our nation is mostly illiterate and doesn't understand their rights. In any western society, millions of people would have been on the streets by now. This is the difference in the maturity levels between us and them.

So I am telling you the result of this case now:

1 - NS and his family will be acquitted due to insufficient evidence. (due to technicalities)
2 - They will win again in 2018 (due to immaturity, illiteracy of our nation)

Why I am following the case? Because I want to see the level of noora's beghairti and the level of our awam's behisi.

en documents ko authenticate krne me time nae lagey ga agr court chahey tu sirf ek order nikal sakti hai

Now this is where our law is silent.. It is on court's discretion to get the docs attested, or they may give clean chit based on whatever available with them.

Remember what happened in Dhandli case? They didn't move an inch despite having all the powers to investigate any irregularities and put all the burden of proof on PTI that they couldn't bring sufficient evidence.
 
IF any commission has to be made..then it must be Justice khosa himself in tht one member commission...no one else.. But since he is heading the bench ..i dont think he will be part of single member judicial commission.... It will be some other judge... Aur ye bhi hosakta hai ke in 5 judges main se koi bhi na ho... BUT BUT i dont want a commission seriously... Case hi khatab hojayega... Aur koi muje ye bata dey ke commission karay ga kiya? Cmmission k pass aisi kon si powers hongi jo is bench ke pass nahi hain? Ye tu waisy hi proceedings inquisitorial hain, article 184 ke under...tu ye bench khud bhi directly investigate kar sakta hai... Lekin pakora judge zuroor is case ko commission ki taraf le jayega
 
Ji...tu lag raha hai k maamla judicial commission ki taraf jaa raha hai aur commission ki taraf janay ka matlab hai ke lambi chutti... Matti pao...phir case bhtt lamba chalay ga... Kafi maheenY bhi kag saktay hain... Aur result bhi kahin waisa na ho jaisy election rigging case main tha... Agar pakora judge ya justice ijaz afzal beth gaye commission main...tu baat hi khatam hojaye gi....

Article 184 k tehad court kuch bhee order kr sakti hai ... Court ki powers buhut ziada hotein hain 184 me ... likan PMLn walay rona shuru kr deinge k court esa nae kr sakti ... !
 
Yaar @biloo700 yunhi khuwah ma khuwah khush horahay ho aap.

Let me tell you the real story behind all these evidences.

1 - Even if PTI submits company registration documents under the name of hasan/ hussain/ maryam, court will ask for attested, verified copy. Photocopies are not acceptable. I heard someone in PTI once said that Maryam's passport copy is attested, but he didn't realize that it is again a "copy of the "attested copy"". PTI being a third party, can't get the documents attested.

2 - When PMLN brought the Qatari letter, they have in fact said that there is no money transferred from Pakistan, so there is no trail as well. To prove Qatari letter wrong, PTI needs to submit what I have mentioned in point #1, which they can't get.

3 - Burden of proof on Sharif family is from 2006 onward, not prior to 2006, because they have only "accepted" the ownership of property from 2006. To prove this claim wrong, PTI needs to submit what I have mentioned in point #1, which they can't get. There is a reason why the best lawyers also say that even after Panama leaks, if they hadn't accepted the ownership, it would have been extremely difficult to prove the ownership.

4 - The evidences that can destroy Qatari letter are (a) decree of UK court in Al Taufeeq lawsuit, (b) the investigation performed by FIA/ NAB in the past.

5 - We have no idea why court is reluctant in (a) accepting the court decree. For (b), they are just taking the responsibility off their shoulders by saying that WHY NAB DIDN'T PURSUE THE CASE.

6 - Any recording, if done without the knowledge of the target, is not an acceptable evidence in the court of law.

The only benefit that we can get from this Panama case is that it can serve as an awareness campaign against known crooks. But the downside is that our nation is mostly illiterate and doesn't understand their rights. In any western society, millions of people would have been on the streets by now. This is the difference in the maturity levels between us and them.

So I am telling you the result of this case now:

1 - NS and his family will be acquitted due to insufficient evidence. (due to technicalities)
2 - They will win again in 2018 (due to immaturity, illiteracy of our nation)

Why I am following the case? Because I want to see the level of noora's beghairti and the level of our awam's behisi.



Now this is where our law is silent.. It is on court's discretion to get the docs attested, or they may give clean chit based on whatever available with them.

Remember what happened in Dhandli case? They didn't move an inch despite having all the powers to investigate any irregularities and put all the burden of proof on PTI that they couldn't bring sufficient evidence.

1 year pehle koi soch sakta tha k altaf hussain ka name lene wala karachi me koi nae hu ga .. ! tu yeh bhee hu sakta hai k Nawaz sharif PM na hun ... -3 formula under process hai :D
 
Article 184 k tehad court kuch bhee order kr sakti hai ... Court ki powers buhut ziada hotein hain 184 me ... likan PMLn walay rona shuru kr deinge k court esa nae kr sakti ... !

Court kar tu bhtt kuch sakti hain under article 184... Lekin sawal ye hai ke kia court karay gi? powers tu election rigging commission k pass bhi bhtt theen...woh bhi saari agencies ko bula saktay thay under TORs..lekin kia unhon ne aisa kia? Nahi..unhon ne sirf sara burden of proof PTI par daal diya aur powers hotay huay bhi khud kuch nahi kiya...aur end main keh diya ke PTI suboot nahi de saki... Yahan bhi powers tu hain...kia niyat bhi hai? Mera khyal hai ke pakora judge aur justice ijaz ul hasan ki tu nahi hai bilkol
 
I can tell you, abhi nahi hai.. Unless pressure ziada barh jaey lower ranks main...

yeh 3no parties west or america k kehne pe government me ayein theen .. ab pakistan west or america k group me nae hai ... china or russia k sath hai . dunya phr se cold war ki taraf ja rahi hai !
 
.. -3 formula under process hai :D

Mere bhai... Minus 3 tu door ki baat...mujhe tu plus 3 lag raha hai .. Kahin aisa na ho ke altaf hussain ki bhi wapsi hojaye... Raheel sharif k janay k baad zardari ki wapsi tu hogayi hai..kahin altaf husain ki bhi na hojaye... Us waqt se daro...

Atleast Gen Qamar Bajwa k hotay huay tu mujhe -3 k asaar door door tak nazar nahi aatay... Afterall he is brought by Nawaz sharif for a reason.. Haan agar kisi ne minus hona hi hai..tu kahin aisa na ho ke kulbhushan minus hojaye :lol: :lol: :lol: Chandu chauhan ki tarah aur india chalta banay... :lol: :lol: Our new chief gen bajwa seems to be very soft on india like nawaz sharif

@biloo700 @PakSword
 
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