Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Tameem]

And by the way, if you don't have knowledge, why do you trust just one side of the story?

I don't. I accept a lot of your arguments as well and build a balance understandings in post 6217.

Oh how so innocent But you do know enough to quote specifically planted news tweets and half truth legal points raised by Kwaja Haris to share, how so very convenient

Trust me, i have zero legal knowledge. you want to know how i learns;
I took random tweets..in which one boasted his point of view; It can be a PMLN leader or PTI
Then i check counter views/replies of opposing parties battling on this tweet from both PMLN media cell and PTI media cell...No doubt their battle lines give better overall picture.

in that way, i learned a lot in last couple of days and contribute here through post 6217. That post is absolutely mine.

 

[The Accountant]

1. Bcz I didn't know fully or grasp of this legal battle at one hand as of now.
2. I can't trust you 100%...Sorry.

We all here are not legal experts but fortunately every human being is programmed with ethical laws. If we being honest to ourself we can easily judge the case mere on ethical law ... For NS it is very easy ... Produce the transfer documents of the properties from qatari to his brother first and provide the noc to GOP to inquire anything about the companies of his son from respective govs ... Half of the case will get resolved than and there

 

[PakSword]

First Fact
NAB can asks any citizen to prove. Therefore Sharif Family have to Prove.

That's right.. However, just to add, if someone (a public office holder specially) doesn't have anything in name, but his family is filthy rich, then either the family or the public office holder will have to prove the sources of income.

This is to prevent corruption. If you see a SHO of your area buying a Land Cruiser suddenly, and his declared income is very less, then according to law he can be questioned. Also, if he buys a land cruiser for his 18 year old son, he or his son must prove the source of income..

Second Fact
Sharif Family did provides proves and Money trail like Gulf Steel Sale documents.

The gulf steel sale documents were not verified by Dubai courts. Dubai courts keep a record of all the attestations in a register. Here in UAE, attestations by courts are conducted in an entirely different manner. It is not like Pakistani notary public for Rs 10 each page of the document.

They get your document, record its description in a register and put a date and particulars and then attest the document.

Regarding gulf steel sale documents, Dubai courts said that they don't have record of attestation with them.. Meaning, there is nothing about these documents in their registers..

Now when a document is considered fake, it doesn't require further investigation to be honest.. I would have thrown that document in trash..

Third Fact
On GS NAB Accepts 75% Sale proceeds (21M Dirham) and refuse to accepts remaining 25% Sale (12M Dirham)

Please refer to my response to the second fact you have stated..

Moreover, there is no record of proceeds of 12M dirhams as such.. So NAB says, even if we accept that the mill was sold for 33 million AED, the whole amount can't be considered as there is no secondary evidence available..

Actually they didn't have to go into this detail when a document has already been proven fake.. but anyway, now NS has to prove that 12 million were transferred through proper banking channels..

It's very strange to believe that a mill used to pay its utility bills and salaries through banks, but when it was sold, the whole money was transferred in cash.. Do you believe this ?

 

[Shane]

you want to know how i learns;
I took random tweets..in which one boasted his point of view; It can be a PMLN leader or PTI
Then i check counter views/replies of opposing parties battling on this tweet from both PMLN media cell and PTI media cell...No doubt their battle lines give better overall picture.

Random PMLN tweets...Lol.

Nice try dear, Lets indulge still;

You know how many tweet reads and quotes are required to learn about cases of corruption in Pakistan politics? -Zero -

Even if we are to believe your excuse then you have been simply barking under the wrong tree all your life...pun intended.

You and your brethren are always welcome to Keep making a fool out of Sharif and Zardari gangs by keep chopping at your own legs in the guise of innocent, seemingly eager to learn, innocuous posters who just have a single minded agenda to seed confusion and dis-information in defence of the corrupt lot.

Cheers!

 

[PakSword]

Random PMLN tweets...Lol.

Nice try dear, Lets indulge still;

You know how many tweet reads and quotes are required to learn about cases of corruption in Pakistan politics? -Zero -

Even if we are to believe your excuse then you have been simply barking under the wrong tree all your life...pun intended.

You and your brethren are always welcome to Keep making a fool out of Sharif and Zardari gangs by keep chopping at your own legs in the guise of innocent, seemingly eager to learn, innocuous posters who just have a single minded agenda to seed confusion and dis-information in defence of the corrupt lot.

Cheers!

I think he is a genuine learner and wants to learn. Let's try to convey the truth and leave the rest to God.

 

[Tameem]

Random PMLN tweets...Lol.

Nice try dear, Lets indulge still;

You know how many tweet reads and quotes are required to learn about cases of corruption in Pakistan politics? -Zero -

Even if we are to believe your excuse then you have been simply barking under the wrong tree all your life...pun intended.

You and your brethren are always welcome to Keep making a fool out of Sharif and Zardari gangs by keep chopping at your own legs in the guise of innocent, seemingly eager to learn, innocuous posters who just have a single minded agenda to seed confusion and dis-information in defence of the corrupt lot.

Cheers!

Let's Agree to dis agree.....Cheers.

 

[Shane]

Let's Agree to dis agree.....Cheers.

Ok dear let's...but you do get it? Your predicament that is...

...I'm calling it a day since the sun is over our heads...
You are insisting on calling it all fake and a conspiracy against Nawaz who insists it is night to the delight of the corrupt in chorus.

Let's agree to disagree indeed.

Cheer up dude, there is a better life after Bakvas Sharifs and Zardari gangs...

Cheers indeed!

I think he is a genuine learner and wants to learn. Let's try to convey the truth and leave the rest to God.

I can smell a rat but I rest my case in your favour my friend.

 

[QatariPrince]

 

[Shane]

An open challenge to all PMLN sympathisers that I will vote for PMLN if you:

Prove that Maryam Nawaz is telling the truth in this 2011 statement about herself and family:

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Shane]

This vid is specifically for our twitter savvy @Tameem to learn from and increase his knowledge:

Again, this is the third time I'm asking you @Tameem , is Maryam Nawaz telling the truth?

Is it correct to call her a deliberately misleading and deliberately misinforming person or is she just as innocently unaware about her political and legal affairs as yourself???

Inept? ill-informed? Incompetent? or just not capable enough? Or God forbid, could she be actually lying through her teeth all this time? Take your pick...

 

[IceCold]

How much longer is this case going to continue and when will the interim government form? Its almost april now. Shouldn’t N league be sent packing and a caretaker government formed?

 

[Shane]

How much longer is this case going to continue and when will the interim government form? Its almost april now. Shouldn’t N league be sent packing and a caretaker government formed?

Their term ends in May. The cases with appeals and reviews may take till the end of this year to conclude but the current trial court proceedings are likely to end by the end of this government's term too. Sweet poetic justice as in MakafateAmal...In Sha Allah.

 

[The Accountant]

Let's Agree to dis agree.....Cheers.

This is not a point of view where somebody can agree or disagree ... This is about fact ... We will definitely agree with you and will respect you if you post truth ... We agree to disagree on your opinion but if you try to twist the reality you will find us confronting and confronting hard as we are shit tiered of these leaches and belief me i am not a pti fan ... Had this about IK i would have treated it similarly ... Its about right and wrong ... Its about grabing the criminals and its not a political issue at all ... Its a matter of our survival .. how can you ditch your nation ?

 

[Shane]

Some more information to refresh the memory from January 2017 and what's at stake for the tubber due to new confiscation laws enacted recently by the British for properties with undeclared source of funds: