PakPositivism: How to manage Discourse for PakPosters on PDF!!!

[Joe Shearer]

Again. That is a huge misconception considering the size of the population. Also your countries next PM could be an indian immigrant. I dont know if they put GENUINELY racially inferior thinking people to that post but hey. Nothing stopping a Pakistani immigrant from dreaming big too. We got to the mayor spot didnt we?

When the word 'incorrigible' is being bandied around so boldly, there is nothing and nobody as incorrigibly racist as your member whom you quoted. In spite of his best efforts to conceal his true thinking, it pops out from time to time. As it did above.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Again. That is a huge misconception considering the size of the population. Also your countries next PM could be an indian immigrant. I dont know if they put GENUINELY racially inferior thinking people to that post but hey. Nothing stopping a Pakistani immigrant from dreaming big too. We got to the mayor spot didnt we?

Great posts. A couple of points if I may. You're oversimplifying the issue of Indian diaspora integration in western nations and moreover, you're conflating that issue with the points being made that most Indians have malevolent intent towards Pakistan.

Indians can be very well integrated in diaspora communities and still be hostile towards Pakistanis - in fact, this is how the majority are, not all, but certainly most. That whites cosy up to them is merely due to converging agendas. Because the UK and USA deep state agendas converge presently with Delhi, Indian origin candidates will be encouraged by Biden, Johnson et al. In reality, plenty of Pakistani origin folks are as politically able as Indian ones - it's just that we're still a potential "5th column" regarding white interests in Asia.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

quiet possible but why ruin a good experience! and indians are not bad people they are going through a phase and their bhungee leadership to stay in power is destroying the harmony and minds! i dont see it ending well for india!

It is not a phase, it is their true nature.

This is what I am saying. It is linked to their historical mindset, misreading of history, and their desires to defeat us.

 

[Bil]

@Mangus Ortus Novem good thread bro, however, I dont think theres much positivism when you toss both nationalities together. Its nearly impossible to keep conversation/argument civil, because after few post(s), things heat up in no time and in the end few posters are dished out temporary ban with many posts got deleted. Poor Mod's have to do the clean up - story of online forums.

Different perspective's

There are different perspective of both the parties naturally.

The root of Pakistan's conflict with India started from the British Empire. When Britain left India in 1947,
partition ended up being a bloody process - meaning people were forced to leave their homes if they fell on the wrong side of the newly formed border. Riots and skirmishes resulted from the complex process, as British authorities deserted the area and left chaos behind. We get to hear so many horrid stories from our elders how their forefathers immigrated to Pakistan - simply put, it was blood bath all over.

Then we have issue of IoK, which is the main reason of conflict to this date in between two countries. We simply cant ditch our Kashmiri brothers and sisters and look in the other direction. There is a recent spike and profound reaction of many Pakistani's only because of what Indian leadership did on August 2019. Similarly, we support and raise voice for our India Muslims brothers and injustice they have to face in Indian.

Furthermore, Pakistani's strongly dislike India characters like Narendra Modi, Amit Shah, Bipin Rawat, Ajit Doval, that clown Guurav and RAW due to their consistent efforts to spread unrest in Pakistan, their state level terrorism through kulbhushan yadav, their open support to anti-Pakistan terrorist groups like BLA and their open support in killing of innocent civilian's including - who can forget APS.

Now coming on the Indian prospective. Many of our parosi/padosi see Pakistani establishment as the root cause of all the issues in between both countries. It gives them grief when they see a young daughter crying for her father who took his last breaths at the border fighting for his country. An old mother with a blurred vision and the faintest idea of the diplomatic relations crying her heart out because she won’t be able to see her son anymore. However, this is just one side of the picture, because only a naive will believe some doesnt happen on the other side of the border.

The thing is they are utter blindfolded by their media, by their political leadership and by their Army, who paint Pakistan as a boogeyman. Why Indian's dont ask tough questions from Narendra Modi, Amit Shah, Bipin Rawat, Ajit Doval, that clown Guurav?

Why dont they ask why its always Pakistan who launches the offense first?
Why cant we talk to Pakistan on a table?
What is going on IoK? Why Kashmir's special status was revoked?
Why Muslims in Indian are targeted by RSS Mob?
How Pakistan is able to capture Kulbhushan and what was he doing there in the first place?
Why India supports banned organization like BLA?

The list goes on and on but its baffles me that our parosi/padosi are not interested is any of this and act as cult follower.

Hindutva ideology

Many Indian Hindus consider Pakistan's and Islam as their nemesis. You say one word in favor of Kashmiri's (who has been oppressed, abused, raped, tortured and killed day in day out) or Indian Muslims (who has been targeted due to their religion believes, because what they have in their dinner platter) and you will be treated in the same manner. What is the reason for all this? Why India and Indian's have changed since past few years? I believe the reason is Hindutva ideology, which RSS-inspired BJP government has been pushing forward since past years. Religious intolerance is spreading in the country and there will be time, anyone who dares to disagree with this fascist ideology will be the target of violence.

I wouldnt be wrong if I say Imran Khan is on the 2nd at the hate-index of Indian's - Pakistan Army is on top of the list. Many hate to see strong Pakistan Army because they want to see a toothless Pakistan, which is nothing but wishful thinking.

That said, can one show any positivism towards such hostility? Dont think anybody who feels pain for our Kashmiri's and Muslim brothers of India will tolerate any BS. That notion of "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also" is no longer valid in this cruel world we live in.

In a nutshell, there are many Indian's & Hindu's who are extremely nice and friendly, however, on contrary, there are millions who possess endless venom for Pakistan and Pakistani's, which they spout not only here on PDF, but on many other online forums. This has been going on for decades and will continue God knows for how long.

My 2 cents.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Knowing the enemy is half the battle. This enemy cannot be placated. The enemy must not be given any quarter.

Our ancestors, great Mughals and the like, failed to recognize the enemy, it cost them everything.

In sha Allah, we Pakistanis will not make that mistake again.

We have squandered 72 years in search of a peacable compromise while our Kashmiri kin were raped and brutalized by this implacable foe.

It is time to end this.



I am very open about my views on this matter. You are not going to dissuade me from my personal experiences and my study of the Indian mindset.

Look at the margins of victory which BJP is winning all throughout India. We may choose to see it as a fad, a passing thing, but I am telling you, this is the true nature of the incorrigible Hindu Indian.

We can agree to disagree on this matter. I have no enjoyment with arguing with a fellow respectable Pakistani member such as yourself.

Allah swt bless you.

Sir that post was not intended for you....my rubbish phone replied to you unintentionally. Sorry - will edit.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Take another trip. You will learn the truth.



This is exactly the right word here. They are basically passive-aggressive personalities in the West and other places, who will never fight with you openly.

Even if they befriend you, they must convince themselves that you are unlike other Pakistanis and Muslims, because that is the only way they can have personal friendships with the likes of us.

In school and at work, I have had alot of time to analyze their thoughts and behaviors, this is my final conclusion.

"The Hindu is incorrigible." -Quaid e Azam

Who knew them better than the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity of the British Raj era and Congress party?

We should learn from the experiences of our bozorg and take their observations as a matter of course. We need to chart our destiny from where they left off.

No use questioning ourselves.

Based on personal experience in the past, I have developed a successful method when dealing with indians in the workplace.

As a Pakistani when you come across an indian at work, DO NOT be friendly with them or engage in ANY sort of non-work related conversion. When talking to an indian, look them straight in the eye, be confident and imposing. Keep it STRICTLY 100% professional and civil. DO NOT socialise or meet with indian(s) in ANY non-work related environment or capacity. NEVER EVER greet or smile at them.

Thankfully in my new work place, there are NO indians. Mainly White people with a few Muslims and even fewer blacks.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Even if they befriend you, they must convince themselves that you are unlike other Pakistanis

I totally agree with this part. They have only one image of a Pakistani which is a Pakistani must be like HAFIZ SAEED and the very reason is because its planted in their head. Its unimaginable for them to think that a Pakistani can be more successful then them and if they can't beat you or they look at you with admiration then they will say " We are same people or use to be same country". And my response always is with asshole attitude " No we are not absolutely not".

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Sir that post was not intended for you....my rubbish phone replied to you unintentionally. Sorry - will edit.

No worries dear brother. All us Pakistanis are on the same page here. 27 Feb has united us all. Something drastic must be done to nullify this threat.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And you don't get - or as I suspect, you choose not to admit/disclose - that all 1.3 billion don't NEED to be terminally antagonistic to Pakistan to guide the nation state of India down a mutually destructive course with Pakistan.

Have YOU looked at the numbers? The majority of people - 61% of the electors, those who voted - voted AGAINST the BJP, and for parties implacably opposed to it.

Have you stopped your feverish search for the underlying conspiracy long enough to realise that these parties have right through our existence said or done nothing to handicap the Muslims, the Christians, the Sikhs, the Buddhists?

India's critical mass was reached a long time ago. This is probably because India doesn't have a strong enough countercurrent to hindutva but also partly because of what I stated previously - that malevolent external forces who are anti-China and anti-Pakistan see Modi as an opportunity for pushing the whole subcontinent into a war.

Really? Have you actually looked at either the share of the popular vote, or the number of seats in Parliament won by the religious right? Until you have done that, how do you have the bare-faced gall to make sweeping statements of the sort you just made?

Nothing personal, but sitting on a box in the UK and second-guessing the intentions of the Indian people is as ridiculous - I find it difficult to measure the two and arrive at a leader - as the bozo who knew what was in the mind of 'India', at that time under a totally different party and a totally different political line, at the time of the War On Terror. Dealing with this kind of behaviour and this kind of belief is numbing.

Anyone who knows anything about current British politics knows that the next prime minister of the UK will DEFINITELY not be of indian origin. There will be a huge public backlash as the Far-Right is rising in the UK. Obama was a black president of america but that does not make blacks/Africans the most successful and prominent race on the planet.

Please inform me if you need a financial advisor to deal with the vast fortunes that you must have earned with your prognostications of various electorates' behaviour.

 

[forcetrip]

Great posts. A couple of points if I may. You're oversimplifying the issue of Indian diaspora integration in western nations and moreover, you're conflating that issue with the points being made that most Indians have malevolent intent towards Pakistan.

Indians can be very well integrated in diaspora communities and still be hostile towards Pakistanis - in fact, this is how the majority are, not all, but certainly most. That whites cosy up to them is merely due to converging agendas. Because the UK and USA deep state agendas converge presently with Delhi, Indian origin candidates will be encouraged by Biden, Johnson et al. In reality, plenty of Pakistani origin folks are as politically able as Indian ones - it's just that we're still a potential "5th column" regarding white interests in Asia.

We are not friends with India. But you cant be an enemy of someone you do not personally know. I oversimplify it cause those are the first steps in a conversation. The overall perception that you can not be civil without being someones friend is idiotic. Name calling your own population just so you can stick it to your neighbor is jahalat. If they are winning then come up with better tactics. People in charge are doing that without going into cussing at Hindus.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@Mangus Ortus Novem good thread bro, however, I dont think theres much positivism when you toss both nationalities together. Its nearly impossible to keep conversation/argument civil, because after few post(s), things heat up in no time and in the end few posters are dished out temporary ban with many posts got deleted. Poor Mod's have to do the clean up - story of online forums.

Different perspective's

There are different perspective of both the parties naturally.

The root of Pakistan's conflict with India started from the British Empire. When Britain left India in 1947,
partition ended up being a bloody process - meaning people were forced to leave their homes if they fell on the wrong side of the newly formed border. Riots and skirmishes resulted from the complex process, as British authorities deserted the area and left chaos behind. We get to hear so many horrid stories from our elders how their forefathers immigrated to Pakistan - simply put, it was blood bath all over.

Then we have issue of IoK, which is the main reason of conflict to this date in between two countries. We simply cant ditch our Kashmiri brothers and sisters and look in the other direction. There is a recent spike and profound reaction of many Pakistani's is because of what Indian leadership did on August 2019. Similarly, we support and raise voice for our India Muslims brothers and injustice they have to face in Indian.

I was myself shocked (along with the entire Congress leadership) when Narendra Modi, Amit Shah, Bipin Rawat, and Ajit Doval pulled together the August 2019 coup on Jammu & Kashmir's basic identity. As someone with insignificant Kashmir ancestry (only 1/4), it hurt me personally although I may have interacted ZERO with any real Kashmiris except my Nani. It was a stab in the back.

Furthermore, Pakistani's strongly dislike India characters like Narendra Modi, Amit Shah, Bipin Rawat, Ajit Doval, that clown Guurav and RAW due to their consistent efforts to spread unrest in Pakistan, their statement level terrorism through kulbhushan yadav, their open support to anti-Pakistan terrorist groups like BLA and their open support in killing of innocent civilian's including - who can forget APS.

Now coming on the Indian prospective. Many of our parosi/padosi see Pakistani establishment as the root cause of all the issues in between both countries. It gives them grief when they see a young daughter crying for her father who took his last breaths at the border fighting for his country. An old mother with a blurred vision and the faintest idea of the diplomatic relations crying her heart out because she won’t be able to see her son anymore.

The thing is they are utter blindfolded by their media, by their political leadership and by their Army, who paint Pakistan as a boogeyman. Why Indian's dont ask tough questions from Narendra Modi, Amit Shah, Bipin Rawat, Ajit Doval, that clown Guurav?

Why dont they ask why its always Pakistan who launches the offense first?
Why cant we talk to Pakistan?
What is going on IoK? Why Kashmir's special status was revoked?
Why Muslims in Indian are targeted by RSS Mob?
How Pakistan is able to capture Kulbhushan and what was he doing there in the first place?
Why India supports banned organization like BLA?

The list goes on and on but its baffles me that our parosi/padosi are not interested is any of this and act as cult follower.

Hindutva ideology

Many Indian Hindus consider Pakistan's and Islam as their nemesis. You say one word in favor of Kashmiri's (who has been oppressed, abused, raped, tortured and killed day in day out) or Indian Muslims (who has been targeted due to their religion believes, because what they have in their dinner platter) and you will be treated in the same manner. What is the reason for all this? Why India and Indian's have changed since past few years? I believe the reason is Hindutva ideology, which RSS-inspired BJP government has been pushing forward since past years. Religious intolerance is spreading in the country and there will be time, anyone who dares to disagree with this fascist ideology will be the target of violence.

I wouldnt be wrong if I say Imran Khan is on the 2nd at the hate-index of Indian's - Pakistan Army is on top of the list. Many hate to see strong Pakistan Army because they want to see a toothless Pakistan, which is nothing but wishful thinking.

That said, can one show any positivism towards such hostility? Dont think anybody who feels pain for our Kashmiri's and Muslim brothers of India will tolerate any BS. That notion of "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also" is no longer valid in this cruel world we live in.

In a nutshell, there are many Indian's & Hindu's who are extremely nice and friendly, however, on contrary, there are millions who possess endless venom for Pakistan and Pakistani's, which they spout not only here on PDF, but on many other online forums. This has been going on for decades and will continue God knows for how long.

My 2 cents.

THIS!!!!!

But doesn't this just prove that collectively, indians and Pakistanis can NEVER EVER coexist peacefully together? That what the founding fathers of Pakistan said nearly a century ago still holds true today?

 

[King Julien]

Alhamdulilah, we are wide awake now, and our firm resolve is here. We know what needs to be done. India must be dismantled brick by brick, so it can never become a threat to our children again.

There are many humans who are trapped in their own logic. Intelligence is relatively new in the evolutionary process, it's damn sharp and humans don't really know how to fully use this tool.
India Pakistan apart from identification of each other has only been monkey see monkey do process. What this gentleman wishes for his neighbours, they too wish the same for him, who's to blame?
If you are able to understand yourself there is a chance that you can understand others.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Have YOU looked at the numbers? The majority of people - 61% of the electors, those who voted - voted AGAINST the BJP, and for parties implacably opposed to it.

Have you stopped your feverish search for the underlying conspiracy long enough to realise that these parties have right through our existence said or done nothing to handicap the Muslims, the Christians, the Sikhs, the Buddhists?



Really? Have you actually looked at either the share of the popular vote, or the number of seats in Parliament won by the religious right? Until you have done that, how do you have the bare-faced gall to make sweeping statements of the sort you just made?

Nothing personal, but sitting on a box in the UK and second-guessing the intentions of the Indian people is as ridiculous - I find it difficult to measure the two and arrive at a leader - as the bozo who knew what was in the mind of 'India', at that time under a totally different party and a totally different political line, at the time of the War On Terror. Dealing with this kind of behaviour and this kind of belief is numbing.



Please inform me if you need a financial advisor to deal with the vast fortunes that you must have earned with your prognostications of various electorates' behaviour.

If the next PM of the UK is indian, I will.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

If they are winning then come up with better tactics.

Fully endorse this and if this particular thread has a single summarised conclusion, this is it.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Thankfully in my new work place...


there are NO indians.


Mainly White people


with a few Muslims


and even fewer blacks

subhanallah !