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Pakistan's UAV - Drone developments

i don't understand why we need FALCOs when we have UQAAB....predators would have made sense because they are armed but uqaab & falco's are more or less the same thing aren't they....

Falco is a bigger bird with a better engine. both these things are essential to arm a UAV with weapons. the Falco deal is bound to work wonders for Pakistan military as the engine can help in improving Uqab and thus it can be fitted with the missiles being developed by NESCOM.
i hope you understand the point!

regards!
 
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i don't understand why we need FALCOs when we have UQAAB....predators would have made sense because they are armed but uqaab & falco's are more or less the same thing aren't they....

Falco is basically as Arsalan said better then Uqab in performance criteria.

Also, Falco has been procured by PAF for its use, while Uqab is kind of a battle field reconnaissance drone, which would be used by PA.

So both have different users and functions.
 
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@Arsalan & taimiimkhan

thank you both for the explanation but i got one last question...if we are procuring FALCO & making uqaab why are we selling drones to ITALY & other nations what are those drones in similar to uqaab? here is the link...thanks

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Drones: Made in Pakistan
 
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@Arsalan & taimiimkhan

thank you both for the explanation but i got one last question...if we are procuring FALCO & making uqaab why are we selling drones to ITALY & other nations what are those drones in similar to uqaab? here is the link...thanks

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Drones: Made in Pakistan

Check this link, would be much cleared to you, what the article means.

Plus, browse the website too, this is a private pakistani manufacturer of UAVs.

INTEGRATED DYNAMICS :: News Updates
 
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@Arsalan & taimiimkhan

thank you both for the explanation but i got one last question...if we are procuring FALCO & making uqaab why are we selling drones to ITALY & other nations what are those drones in similar to uqaab? here is the link...thanks

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Drones: Made in Pakistan

Falco is being purchased because it is bigger, uses more sophisticated technology and especially has a better engine. That is why it is purchased with ToT, hence enabling us to move towards next generation of UAVs. While Falco itself is not armed, we are going to use the technology from it to arm others or maybe Falco itself in future.

Regarding pakistani made UAVs being exported, the reason is because they are cheaper. We export them even to the US that uses it for border patrol. Ofcourse they can produce it there , but its cheaper for them to import from pakistan. There are even those that just import the airframe and put their own equipment like camera and some that import the whole package. But basic reason is we produce them cheaper and the quality is comparable for the intended job.
 
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Pakistan’s indigenous “Preadator” drones
January 17, 2010

Pakistan has made huge strides in the development of its UAVs–Mukhbir, Uqqab, Jasoos, Ubaabeel and others. Pakistani made UAVs: Uqaab & Jasoos. Up to now the technology was used purely for reconissance purposes, however since 2001, there is an empetus to emulate Predator and Reaper type of drones which has fire missiles and elimiante the targets without the effort of flyingfighter jets. Pakistan is very close on building its own “Predator” which will have the ability to carry and use missiles.

The Pakistani UAV Burraq is a Predator equivalent. Pakistani UAC firms are working closely with Italian, Chinese and Turkish firms–all of whichwork with Isreali technology, borrowed heavily from American products. The recent Turkish-israeli deal will help Turkey develop the next generation of Turkish drones. Pakistan’s indigenous UAVs: Uqaab, Jasoos, Mukhbar & Burraq ANKARA — Turkey and Israel appear to be on track to finalise a long delayed multi-million-dollar deal for the delivery of 10 drone aircraft for the Turkish air force, a Turkish official said Friday.

The project, launched in 2005, was under threat of cancellation amid delays and rising tensions between the two countries over Israel’s devastating offensive in the Gaza Strip last year.

“Turkish experts are currently in Israel to test the drones,” the defence ministry official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

Should the systems pass the tests, six aircraft will be brought to Turkey’s southeastern province of Batman, on the border with Iraq, for further tests, the official added.

“If there are no problems, we will take the drones. We expect the delivery to take place in the first six months of this year,” he said.

The announcement came ahead of a visit by Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak to Turkey on Sunday for talks on mending battered ties following the latest diplomatic row.

On Wednesday Israel was forced to apologise after Ankara hreataned to withdraw its ambassador over Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon’s public dressing down of the envoy.

The drone project had been expected to be completed in the second half of 2009, but it was delayed by technical problems, forcing Turkey to give the two contractors — Israel Aerospace Industries and Elbit — a deadline until early 2010 and threaten to cancel the tender.

Last week, Defence Minister Vecdi Gönül said that negotations were under way on the compensation the Israeli companies would pay for the delay, but refused to give a figure.

Media reports have suggested that the compensation could be somewhere around 12 million dollars (8.2 million euros).

The drone contract was part of an 185-million-dollar project that involved the manufacture of 10 aircraft, surveillance equipment and ground control stations, with Turkish firms providing sub-systems and services.

Under a 1996 military cooperation deal, Turkish-Israeli ties have flourished greatly until last year when the two countries fell out about Ankara’s almost daily criticism of the Jewish state over the Gaza war. Turkey, Israel on track to close drone deal: official (AFP).

When the war on terror began, Pakistan requested predator drones for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) so that the Pakistanis could monitor the 2500 kilometer long Durand Line. The request was refused. Pakistan also requested helicopters, and asked the USA to launch a satellite for Pakistan. The requests fell on deaf ears. Pakistan also requested 80,000 M-16s or Klashnikovs for the Frontier Corps who are still using WW2 vintage rifles. The guns have still not arrived. However Pakistan was asked to “Do More.”

Pakistan as a Major Non-Nato Ally (MNNA) and a founding member of SEATO and CENTO has not been given a single Predator or Reaper. Pakistan has an indigenous UAV capacity, but its drones cannot fire armaments. At present the laser guided technology helps it to identify targets and then relay that information to a helicopter gunship or a plane. Islamabad is in desperate need of UAV which can fire at the target. Need predicates development, and necessity is the mother of

invention. It is like being under sanction. Pakistan was under sanctions when it designed and built the JF-17 Thunder with the Chinese. Now the latest UAVis being built with Turkish and Chinese help. Pakistan’s latest UAV is called the Burraq named after a mythical flying horse.

ISLAMABAD — After years of watching U.S. drones operate along its Afghan border, Pakistan is working on its own Predator-like unmanned aerial vehicle to undertake the same mission, sources here said. The sources said the country’s air force and government-owned defense conglomerate, the National Engineering and Scientific Commission, are flight-testing a new-design aircraft to be equipped with a NESCom-designed laser designator and laser-guided missiles.

The Burraq UAV is named for a winged horse creature in Islamic tradition, similar to Pegasus.

According to local news reports, Pakistan is focusing its unmanned aircraft efforts on upgrading various older UAVs with Chinese help. But the sources note that no domestically produced UAVis large enough to heft both a missile and a targeting system. The military’s most capable UAV is the air force’s Selex Galileo Falco, which can laser-designate targets for other platforms but cannot deliver munitions.

Officials with the Ministry of Defence and Ministry of Defence Production here refused to confirm or deny the program’s existence. A spokesman for the military’s Inter Services Public Relations said it was “not ready to give a statement on the issue at this time.” One former air force officer said the notion of a Pakistan-developed hunter-killer UAV is credible. “You only have to see our track record,” said Kaiser Tufail, a retired air commodore. “We have some fantastic achievements in the field of defense.”

Tufail said Pakistan needs such a weapon. Anti-terror operations on the frontier require “hours and hours of round-the-clock reconnaissance,” married with the ability to strike quickly when a target is spotted, he said. Help from China? Analysts were more dubious about Pakistan’s ability to produce a laser-guided missile, but they noted that help might be found in China or Turkey. Turkey, with whom Pakistan has an agreement to cooperate on UAV development, is seeking an armed UAV, preferably the Predator or MQ-9 Reaper. This UAVmay someday be armed with the UMTAS infrared guided anti-tank missile being developed by the Turkish firm Roketsan to arm the T-129 attack helicopter.

Pakistan could simply produce China’s new CH-3 unmanned combat air vehicle, “or co-produce any number of Chinese components to assemble a unique UCAV,” said Richard Fisher, China specialist and senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center in Washington. “China has also developed the unique AR-1, a 45-kilogram, laser-guided attack missile, apparently designed specifically for light winged or helicopter UCAVs,” he said. Pakistan reported developing armed UAV By Usman Ansari – Staff writer, Saturday May 9, 2009 8:17:26 EDT The Burraq is based on the Falco – SELEX GALILEO technology. We produce information on the Selix Galileo so that an adequate comparision can be made with the Burraq.

The FALCO UAV System is a Medium Altitude Endurance & Tactical UAV designed for optronic and electronic surveillance roles. The basic mission is target detection, localization, identification and designation through its on-board sensors suite which typically include a thermal imager, a color TV Camera and a spotter, or a laser designator.

The best features of the FALCO System include automatic take-off and landing (with STOL performance), fully redundant and fault-tolerant control systems, digital buses and control link equipment, automatic area surveillance modes and near-real-time target image processing.

It really look very mush like the uqab or may be author is citing directly to uqab or if someone can tell they are using the Falco – SELEX GALILEO The Burraq also uses the design if the Pegasus HALE UAV. The information on the Burraq is similar to the information on the Hale.

Until today, the use of unmanned aircraft has been hindered by the sheer size of the wingspan needed to carry the weight of the payload. With payloads often weighing up to 100 kg, the wingspan required would extend to 60 or 70 metres, creating a total weight of as much as 1000 kg. Aircraft with this weight and wingspan will not become operational for the next couple of years due to issues of air traffic control, safety regulations and technological hurdles such as the development of appropriate fuel cell technology.

We bring you Pegasus, an integrated approach to mission-specific payload, aircraft, control systems and data processing technology. By developing a new generation of ultra light and extremely compact remote sensing equipment, we have been able to reduce the aircraft wingspan to just 16 metres and total flying weight to a mere 18 kg. Furthermore, because these aircraft are designed to be raised into place using the same kind of balloon that is used for weather sounding, no airstrips are required and air control regulations do not apply. The aircaft are taken up in an almost vertical position and reach their operational altitude within 90 minutes. Once in place, the solar powered engines are started and the

aircraft is ready to act on instructions received from ground control. The recorded images are then sent to the central database at the ground station from where they are sent on to the customer. Using highly sophisticated software technology, the data can also be processed and analysed, and delivered in a wide variety of graphical and mapped formats, as required.

Pakistan has been using its own drones which it has been manufacturing for a decade.

Pakistan?s indigenous ?Preadator? drones | Pakistan Daily
 
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I like the name Burraq. I also have no doubt that we'll make strides in producing our own UCAV, skies have always been our best friends.
 
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Pakistan should be equipped with drone technology to take out militants: Haqqani
January 29, 2010

WASHINGTON: Pakistan would rather have technical expertise with which it can combat militants on its border with Afghanistan than have the U.S. fire missiles into Pakistani territory, Islamabad’s ambassador in Washington argued in an interview Thursday.

“The government of Pakistan has repeatedly said that we would like to have the capability to be able to identify and take out targets on ground,” Ambassador Husain Haqqani told National Public Radio.Pakistan, he stressed, prefers to do everything on the Pakistani side of the border itself.

“And the reason is very simple: We have a military capability in certain areas and in some areas we lack certain technical capabilities and we would like that technical capabilities for ourselves.”

The Pakistanis are committed to fighting militants in the Afghan border region but it is unfair to characterize Pakistan as a base for al-Qaeda-linked elements, since militants straddle both sides of the porous and challenging border, he clarified.

The radio noted that the Pakistani public opinion against U.S. missile strikes by unmanned drones is high.

Although the strikes have killed several top militant leaders, civilian casualties have also been claimed.

Haqqani said the U.S. and Pakistan governments understand the need to deal with those who pose a threat to global peace and security but called for understanding Islamabad’s concerns on the sensitive issue of drone strikes.

“You must also understand that when you have unmanned aerial vehicles drop missiles, taking out people, and it infuriates public opinion, then obviously the Pakistani government has to stand by Pakistani public opinion.”

“I think we have a shared frustration that the Taliban and al-Qaida move between the mountainous regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan and manage to have the support of some of the people living there.” Haqqani replied to a question.

The diplomat also said he believes that whatever the outcome of the war against al-Qaida, the U.S. won’t abandon Afghanistan to its own devices the way it did after the defeat of the Soviet Union in the 1980s.

“My understanding from interactions with senior officials in the United States is that the Obama administration does not wish to walk away from Afghanistan, that it understands the cost of doing so and that nobody wants a Central Asian Somalia or a failed state as a legacy,” he said.

“After all, they don’t want anybody plotting and planning attacks against America sitting in Afghanistan.”

In response to a question about Pakistanis’ opinion regarding U.S. reputation, ambassador Haqqani replied:

“Look, most Pakistanis, also say, the same opinion polls, where most Pakistanis express reservations about the United States, when asked the question do you want the US to be a friend of Pakistan, they say yes we do. But if there are reservations about the manner of engagement, then that is something we can work upon.

In fact, I consider that my job description. I’m trying to find a way in which we can keep American engagement in our region but in a way it finds support of the people of Pakistan and support and sympathy of the people of Afghanistan.”

- Associated Press of Pakistan
 
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PRC has the best technology of UAVs. Pakistan should sign a deal wiith Chinese firms to make drones.
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