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[Sine Nomine]

Hillybilly prepper channels on Youtube say that 556 is better for home defence or cqb. They say that 7.62 russian goes through walls and may kill innocents.

Is there any truth to that? If that was true why would France equip GIGN with Bren 2 which uses 7.62 russian, oftentimes in cqb??

Is it because America uses drywall(cardborard like walls with concrete/brick structure as main skeleton) and other countries use brick and cement materials??

Anyone help clear this up?

I hope this would help;

 

[iLION12345_1]

Hillybilly prepper channels on Youtube say that 556 is better for home defence or cqb. They say that 7.62 russian goes through walls and may kill innocents.

Is there any truth to that? If that was true why would France equip GIGN with Bren 2 which uses 7.62 russian, oftentimes in cqb??

Is it because America uses drywall(cardborard like walls with concrete/brick structure as main skeleton) and other countries use brick and cement materials??

Anyone help clear this up?

The Americans say 556 is better for anti-personnel usage because it has a tendency to yaw and tumble when inside a body, Dealing maximum damage, instead of going straight through, like a 7.62 would, due to its increased energy. While that does hold some truth, it’s not too much of a difference as to where 7.62 instantly becomes bad in CQB usage.
The wall penetration argument and civilian casualties also hold some weight, but again, not to the point where it would become an issue, apart from the USA where the materials do in fact play a part in this. It may also just be because home-defense incidents are most common and most reported in the USA due to the amount of weapons owned there and hence the number of civilian casualties from this are naturally higher.
7.62 makes up for any slight disadvantage it may have at longer ranges, where it retains more energy, though out to normal engagement ranges both rounds are effective.

At the end of the day round preference for militaries is more due to their logistical and supply chain reasons, Pakistan could not adopt 5.56 because all of our stocks at 7.62x51 or 7.62x39 and our factories are tooled for those rounds. Similarly in the USA AKs only started becoming common recently, since older AK clones were rather bad there, and 556 was a lot more common, that’s why it became the preferred caliber among civilians, while in Europe due to the G3 and FAL 7.62x51 similarly became the common round.

 

[CriticalThought]

Hillybilly prepper channels on Youtube say that 556 is better for home defence or cqb. They say that 7.62 russian goes through walls and may kill innocents.

Is there any truth to that? If that was true why would France equip GIGN with Bren 2 which uses 7.62 russian, oftentimes in cqb??

Is it because America uses drywall(cardborard like walls with concrete/brick structure as main skeleton) and other countries use brick and cement materials??

Anyone help clear this up?

There is no single calibre which is optimal for all scenarios. If you change the type of gunpowder and the metal used in the bullet, 5.56 can start delivering a blow equivalent to a normal 39 mm. You need to pick and choose according to the requirements of the mission.

 

[blain2]

These SSG troops aren't the ones which were part of Gibraltar forces.... They are the ones who were dropped behind enemy lines for raids on Adampur, Halwara and Pathankot.

... And this pic was taken immediately after 1965 war, not 1972.... In the pic, Gen Gul Hasan was DMO in 1965 and tasked to debrief them all since a study was going on to disband SSG due to their apparently dismal performance in 65 war. Gen Mitha later talked Gen Yahya out of it.

It wasn't SSG's dismal performance. It was the idiots sitting in GHQ and AHQ who ensured SSG's mission failure.
A lot could be written and said about this issue but the less said the better.

If one gets a chance, they should read "Pakistan Army - War 1965" by Maj Gen Shaukat Riza which is considered the official history of the Army operations in the 65 war. He has one chapter in it that sums up the SSG operations and also where the fault lay.

 

[Metal 0-1]

SSW guys keeping up with time.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Reichmarshal]

SSW guys keeping up with time.
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Nvg during day time is certainly not on...specially when one is running and ducking and weaving etc...with it bobling it impedes ones vision

 

[User]

Captain Roohullah Mohmand Shaheed


Unit:...................................... 50th Baloch Regiment (Light commando Battalion SSG).
Year of Commission:.......... 2012.
Hometown:........................... Charsadda Shabqadar (KPK).
Date of Shahadat (Martyrdom): 24 October 2016.
Place of Shahadat: ..................Police Training Academy Quetta.
Medal: ........................................Tamgha-i-Jurat (Medal of Courage).


Ye Ghazi, Ye Tere Purisrar Bande
Jinhain Tu Ne Bakhsha Hai Zuaq-e-Khudai

He was from 125 PMA L/C, aka Mighty Hondas.
Passing out parade was on 21st April, 2012.
The day was also my birthday.
And the coursemates are now Majors.

 

[Amaa'n]

Hillybilly prepper channels on Youtube say that 556 is better for home defence or cqb. They say that 7.62 russian goes through walls and may kill innocents.

Is there any truth to that? If that was true why would France equip GIGN with Bren 2 which uses 7.62 russian, oftentimes in cqb??

Is it because America uses drywall(cardborard like walls with concrete/brick structure as main skeleton) and other countries use brick and cement materials??

Anyone help clear this up?

Yes, but given the North America housing structures, it would be same for 556 & 7.62 both will penetrate the drywall at close range... heck at close range even 12g is lethal let alone 7.62

 

[ghazi52]

Special Service Group Navy

Far left: Steyr AUG
Center: 2 x M4A1 Carbines
Far right: Mk 153 SMAW

 

[bhola record]

Special Service Group Navy

Far left: Steyr AUG
Center: 2 x M4A1 Carbines
Far right: Mk 153 SMAW

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Does SSGN get deployments other than their designated areas these days?

 

[iLION12345_1]

Special Service Group Navy

Far left: Steyr AUG
Center: 2 x M4A1 Carbines
Far right: Mk 153 SMAW

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Sir that Picture is over 7 years old and posted quite a few times in this thread already. Guy on the far right has an RPG7 and not a SMAW.

 

[ghazi52]

Sir that Picture is over 7 years old and posted quite a few times in this thread already. Guy on the far right has an RPG7 and not a SMAW.

Is that so bad to post the picture ? at least they are Pakistani solders and I am proud of them not a laughing stock..
Sad.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Nvg during day time is certainly not on...specially when one is running and ducking and weaving etc...with it bobling it impedes ones vision

He must be carrying his NVG for Photo Op purpose.

US Spec Ops carry NODs during day time too. After Black Hawk Down, soldiers started to carry NODs if not mounted in the pack.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Is that so bad to post the picture ? at least they are Pakistani solders and I am proud of them not a laughing stock..
Sad.

Very Sorry sir, had no intention to offend you, was just making a correction