Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Zarvan]

No there is nothing actually what could replace it. What could be done is to upgrade it with items etc.

There are lot of things which can replace MG3.

 

[Signalian]

Question in my mind is what will happen to Mp5 and will POF make an LMG/SAW??

MP5 is useless unless in CQB with ranges 50-300 m.

There are lot of things which can replace MG3.

MG-3 wont be replaced

I guess the next thing is MG3 replacement.

Weapons proven in combat are considered Effective weapons, they are hardly replaceable.

 

[Path-Finder]

MP5 is useless unless in CQB with ranges 50-300 m.


MG-3 wont be replaced


Weapons proven in combat are considered Effective weapons, they are hardly replaceable.

@Rafi has hinted that a replacement is in mind a year or more ago!

 

[Signalian]

@Rafi has hinted that a replacement is in mind a year or more ago!

Not more than a year ago, since many many years but whats the ground reality ?

 

[Path-Finder]

Not more than a year ago, since many many years but whats the ground reality ?

I don't know!

 

[Sine Nomine]

Not more than a year ago, since many many years but whats the ground reality ?

MG-3 would serve till end of times maybe,all mature designs have taken one thing or another things from it or if nothing,they don't bring anything new on table which MG-3 havn't.
It's a weapon which works fine,even at places where Ak's have stopped.

There are lot of things which can replace MG3.

 

[Inception-06]

MP5 is useless unless in CQB with ranges 50-300 m.


MG-3 wont be replaced


Weapons proven in combat are considered Effective weapons, they are hardly replaceable.

Why MP-5 is still in Service? On the Section Level for example with the Signal guys and the Tank-crews MP-5 is still in service @Bossman said its still worth to be in duty, I disagreed, because of the little effective range and less penetrating power (bulletprof vests..)

 

[fitpOsitive]

Why MP-5 is still in Service? On the Section Level for example with the Signal guys and the Tank-crews MP-5 is still in service @Bossman said its still worth to be in duty, I disagreed, because of the little effective range and less penetrating power (bulletprof vests..)

You know why MP5 is called pistol and why it was introduced in the first place..

 

[Inception-06]

You know why MP5 is called pistol and why it was introduced in the first place..

No I don't know, could you please elaborate ?

 

[fitpOsitive]

No I don't know, could you please elaborate ?

It was developed initially to give something more accurate than UZI, yet light in weight and smaller in size. Mainly developed for commando and special operations. Yes some other guns are also used in such operations like FN P90, but again, these guns are short range gun pistols. The question is: what better ulternatives are available in this situation and are they also feasible for induction? Current decision for AK103 is a good example in this case.

 

[Sine Nomine]

It was developed initially to give something more accurate than UZI, yet light in weight and smaller in size. Mainly developed for commando and special operations. Yes some other guns are also used in such operations like FN P90, but again, these guns are short range gun pistols. The question is: what better ulternatives are available in this situation and are they also feasible for induction? Current decision for AK103 is a good example in this case.

Sub Machine Gun has lost it's charm, it's era of carbines now.Apart from special duties we don't see any widespread use of pistol caliber.
Their effective range in hands of general cadre is less than 100m.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Sub Machine Gun has lost it's charm, it's era of carbines now.Apart from special duties we don't see any widespread use of pistol caliber.
Their effective range in hands of general cadre is less than 100m.

Doesn't make much difference anyway. May be Laser rifles will do

 

[Sine Nomine]

Doesn't make much difference anyway. May be Laser rifles will do

Nodoubt.

 

[Zarvan]

Not more than a year ago, since many many years but whats the ground reality ?

Mg3 will have to go. No it is not enough for modern times when countries are going for more compact and light weight Machine Guns your soldiers are not Sultan Rahi that they can keep taking out enemies with Gandasa. This happens in films not in modern times. For still position yes it could be great but if you want to modernize your Army and make a Machine Gun guy part of Unit which is mobile MG3 has to go.

@Path-Finder

 

[Signalian]

Mg3 will have to go. No it is not enough for modern times when countries are going for more compact and light weight Machine Guns your soldiers are not Sultan Rahi that they can keep taking out enemies with Gandasa. This happens in films not in modern times. For still position yes it could be great but if you want to modernize your Army and make a Machine Gun guy part of Unit which is mobile MG3 has to go.

@Path-Finder

Your basic concepts about infantry weapons are not clear

In films, a lot of things happens, such as replacement with in minutes - probably in just 1-2 scenes, isn't that what you want ? Stop watching Sultan Rahi movies, come into the real world.

In real life however, many other factors are considered such as effectiveness of a weapon in combat. Why don't you go and ask a section commander who is made in-charge of an LMG or MG-3, what are his views about this weapon. Yes, the "Machine Gun guy" is part of a section of around 10 men. The weapon (LMG) itself doesn't have any limitations whether its static or mobile. LMG is used both in defensive and offensive positions. Even in an assault, a soldier is not considered to run a marathon across the battlefield carrying a weapon; he is expected to be part of a team and use his weapon effectively (marching fire if necessary). That weapon is usually an assault rifle with semi-auto, full-auto and burst modes along with safety. The accuracy as well as rage of LMG increases when its deployed on a bi pod or tri pod as it provides suppressing fire. LMG is carried during an assault but if fired while on move from hips, the accuracy diminishes. LMG is expected to have more range (600m +) than an assault rifle range (400m +). The accuracy of assault rifle is effective when its fired with its butt tucked in shoulder and using sights for aiming. Firing an LMG in this position is possible with bi-pod, hardly otherwise. Then some weapons look good on paper, others prove their worth in battlefield. G-3 and MG-3 itself has proved effective in all types of wars that Pakistan Military has fought. AK-56 is also another effective assault rifle.

You are a government employee, right ? you should talk to security guards armed with G-3 or MG-3 in pickets or better yet talk to soldiers manning these weapons.