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so it was islamabad responsible of developing quetta or was it quetta itself responsible as in the provincial government of baluchistan?
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so it was islamabad responsible of developing quetta or was it quetta itself responsible as in the provincial government of baluchistan?
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The provincial government. Islamabad is responsible for only developing Islamabad and Federally administered areas (FATA and Gilgit-Baltistan). They have done a poor job on FATA. Balochistan's provincial government is responsible for developing Balochistan province, K-P provincial government is responsible for developing K-P, Sindh's provincial government is responsible for developing Sindh, and Punjab's provincial government is responsible for developing Punjab.
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isnt FATA development funds handled by political agents who are locals?
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does the province have funds equal to punjab and sindh? and don't the parties fight election from there and then forget about it? give it autonomy and then say they are complaining for no reason
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Pakhtoons of Baluchistan want there separate province
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Let me tell you a reality:Since 11 months no settler has been targetted.
2)FC doesnt pursue these insurgents to the mountains coz its scared of the labell "Military Operation".
3)No countrys media gives so much airtime to bloody bastards enemy of the state tht want to divide the country than Pakistani media...
4)Medias unintentional retardedness has actually help us expose our enemies and even the people have now started to hate them.
5) pashtuns of baluchistan would prefer to join KPK province..
6)This insurgency wont stop till either the insurgents or govt becomes weak... so in the end BLA is going to get their azz spanked.
7)They have also targetted pashtuns n laborers who are working for the development...
8)Kill them all.
2)FC doesnt pursue these insurgents to the mountains coz its scared of the labell "Military Operation".
3)No countrys media gives so much airtime to bloody bastards enemy of the state tht want to divide the country than Pakistani media...
4)Medias unintentional retardedness has actually help us expose our enemies and even the people have now started to hate them.
5) pashtuns of baluchistan would prefer to join KPK province..
6)This insurgency wont stop till either the insurgents or govt becomes weak... so in the end BLA is going to get their azz spanked.
7)They have also targetted pashtuns n laborers who are working for the development...
8)Kill them all.
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rewind the tape and go to 1990s and late 80s...
karachi was facing similar situation...
hundreds of people disappeared...some picked up by security forces and others lost in gang wars...
did karachi ask for independance?
karachi was facing similar situation...
hundreds of people disappeared...some picked up by security forces and others lost in gang wars...
did karachi ask for independance?
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does buchistan have population anywhere near the population of punjab and other provinces?
funds are distributed as per population and that has been happening..
nobody should ask for special treatment because they have a bunch of terrorists running up in the hills and leaders on holidays in europe..
If Paistan uses gas from baluchistan...lets not forget that...almost all food comes from punjab..electricity from KPH...
and industry and ports are in sindh..
if baluchistan wants that all the country pays their gas bills into baluch sardars bank accounts..or go provincial government...obviouslt thats not gona happen...
doesnt happen anywhere in the world.
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Lol Zee news.
no.....Halwa news...
this Halwa got an.itch for baluchistan.....
in his / its back side.
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Funny gas comes frm baluchistan... yet we dnt have it in our houses... funny we still dnt have development comparable to punjab or nwfp... funny these sardars in govt were supported by islamabad aswell for their benefits...funny u talk like tht considering we have been neglected for the last 60+ years.
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you are not coming up with statistics...just repeating the same old stuff....
Being a Pakistani you must have visited other parts of the country.....and must have seen similar situation.
Myself being from KPK....i know as a matter of fact that there are villages right next to turbela dam and have no electricity...same for mangla dam in kashmir and punjab....the whole country gets electricity from there and there are villages right next to the dam without electricity.
should we pick up guns..kill FC men and hide in the mountains on this?
Is there no gas in quetta and major cities of baluchistan?
but if somebody wants gas in every vilage of baluchistsn because gas comes from baluchistsn..its financially not feasible.
pakistan in general is a poor country and the poverty is shared by all..not just baluchistan.
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The trouble that the likes of Brahamdagh bugti and harbiyar murree (i wonder from where they came up with these funny names).....have travelled to europe but havent travelled to other pats of pakistan...
if they had travelled inside pakistan they had seen that its not only baluchistan deprived..its the whole country...
a population of 180 milliln and a shed load of internal militancy (thanks to taliban and BLA)...does not help in finances and examples of poverty and neglect are strewn across pakistan not just baluchistan.
if they had travelled inside pakistan they had seen that its not only baluchistan deprived..its the whole country...
a population of 180 milliln and a shed load of internal militancy (thanks to taliban and BLA)...does not help in finances and examples of poverty and neglect are strewn across pakistan not just baluchistan.
Balochistan crisis has reached the point of no return: Liaquat Baloch
QUETTA: Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) Secretary General Liaquat Baloch blamed the political leadership and Army for the Balochistan crisis, which he said has reached the point of no return.
Baloch was addressing a press conference at the Quetta Press Club on Sunday.
The JI leader is in Quetta to attend the All Parties Conference convened by Difa-e-Pakistan Council on February 27. Practical steps are to be taken to address the Balochistan issue and we believe the incumbent government has no solution for this problem, he said.
Enforced disappearances and discovery of mutilated bodies in the province have fuelled the already deteriorating situation. This discriminatory attitude should end immediately otherwise the consequences will be dangerous.
The JI leader highlighted that now women were also being subjected to enforced disappearances in Balochistan.
Balochistan has been neglected for the past 64 years and this has led to a trust deficit between the Baloch people and the rulers. This discriminatory attitude provided an opportunity for foreign elements to exploit this situation, Baloch added.
JI leader further added that the region has a strategic importance and foreign forces will definitely try to ensure their presence here. Political leaders and Pakistan Army should realise their responsibility and take practical steps to address the grievances of our Baloch brothers, he said.
The JI leader also criticised the governments non-serious approach towards Balochistan and stated that why would people of Balochistan trust the authorities who had handed over Dr Aafia Siddiqui to the US, killed women belonging to the Bugti family and were responsible for the Kharotabad massacre.
Balochistan crisis has reached the point of no return: Liaquat Baloch The Express Tribune
QUETTA: Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) Secretary General Liaquat Baloch blamed the political leadership and Army for the Balochistan crisis, which he said has reached the point of no return.
Baloch was addressing a press conference at the Quetta Press Club on Sunday.
The JI leader is in Quetta to attend the All Parties Conference convened by Difa-e-Pakistan Council on February 27. Practical steps are to be taken to address the Balochistan issue and we believe the incumbent government has no solution for this problem, he said.
Enforced disappearances and discovery of mutilated bodies in the province have fuelled the already deteriorating situation. This discriminatory attitude should end immediately otherwise the consequences will be dangerous.
The JI leader highlighted that now women were also being subjected to enforced disappearances in Balochistan.
Balochistan has been neglected for the past 64 years and this has led to a trust deficit between the Baloch people and the rulers. This discriminatory attitude provided an opportunity for foreign elements to exploit this situation, Baloch added.
JI leader further added that the region has a strategic importance and foreign forces will definitely try to ensure their presence here. Political leaders and Pakistan Army should realise their responsibility and take practical steps to address the grievances of our Baloch brothers, he said.
The JI leader also criticised the governments non-serious approach towards Balochistan and stated that why would people of Balochistan trust the authorities who had handed over Dr Aafia Siddiqui to the US, killed women belonging to the Bugti family and were responsible for the Kharotabad massacre.
Balochistan crisis has reached the point of no return: Liaquat Baloch The Express Tribune
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I know that PN posted highlights from this earlier, but posting the entire article:
Balochistan, the unattributable story
Cyril Almeida
THE more insightful snippets on Balochistan tend to be unattributable.
“If the Baloch got independence, on the first day we’d pick up a bottle of whisky and drink ourselves silly. Then on the second day we’d nurse our hangovers. And on the third day, we’d put the bottle aside, pick up our guns and start killing
one another.”
“There are only two great martial races in this part of the world: the Pakhtuns and the Rajputs. These Baloch think they are great fighters; in my village, a thousand better fighters are born every year. We know how to deal with them.”
“After a return from a stint in exile, he turned to one of his tribesmen and said, ‘So looks like you’ve been enjoying yourself since I’ve been away.’ The man had married twice in his leader’s absence. Ashamed, the man went home and shot both his wives.
That’s the mindset. Can anyone really talk about what ‘the Baloch population’ wants?”
So much has been written and said about Balochistan in recent weeks. Genocide. The break up of Pakistan. A pig-headed establishment. Baloch separatists pursuing self-interest in the name of the Baloch people.
Few, though, have shed light on what the folks who are guiding the state’s policy on Balochistan are thinking. So here goes, a Q&A with the unattributable, who either are doing or know those who are doing.
Is the spate of publicity causing a rethink of the Balochistan policy?
“Over the weekend, they released six or eight people. One of the released was of particular value to them. Maybe this is a nod to the pressure from the media and the political chatter. But probably nothing will change. It could just be a way of showing that they aren’t driving this, that [insurgent] violence will continue and then in a few weeks they can go back to their same tactics.”
So nothing will change?
“Nothing will change. People keep saying that the policy [kill and dump] isn’t working but that opinion isn’t shared by everyone.
There haven’t been any settler killings in 11 months in and around Quetta. Even in the so-called non-tribal belt, the insurgents have been pushed out of the cities and into the hills.”
Dozens of FC personnel have been killed in the last couple of months and insurgent attacks are up. Kill-and-dump isn’t working, is it?
“They’ve gone through about 300 names. They think there are 1,300 more. It may take another couple of years, but they’ll probably get them all.”
“It’s not because the strategy isn’t working but because it isn’t being implemented. The areas in which the violence is up are under the control of the FC. But when they [the insurgents] run into the hills, the FC doesn’t pursue them. The FC thinks that if they go into the hills, search for the hideouts, it will be called a military operation and they want to avoid that label.”
The killing of Pakhtuns by the Baloch insurgents is a new trend that is emerging. What’s behind that?
“They kill the poor labourers working on road and development projects because they say they don’t want any development in their areas, that they will develop the areas themselves after they’ve gained independence.”
“The FC in Balochistan is predominantly drawn from the Pakhtuns, so they’ve started to kill them as a way of lashing out against the FC. It’s a dangerous move, though. The ethnic map of Balochistan has changed dramatically in the last 30 years. The Pakhtuns already talk of joining Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.”
The Baloch moderates’ boycott of the last election created a leadership vacuum in the province, analysts suggest. At the next general election, will the moderates be able to come to power?
“If the sarkar allows it, there should be a sizeable presence in the Balochistan Assembly.”
Why would the sarkar, aka the establishment, want to keep moderates out of power when the establishment itself bemoans the absence of a credible Baloch political leadership?“They prefer people who are amenable to their demands. They bring them
from the most obscure imaginable backgrounds and install them in power because then they can control them.”
What does the security establishment think of the publicity that the insurgents are getting?
“Nowhere in the world does anyone advocating for the forcible secession of a part of a country get the kind of airtime these sardars are getting. It’s ridiculous and the media really ought to think about what they’re doing. A case for sedition could be
made out.”
“Actually, it’s helped expose these guys [the insurgents]. They’re openly talking about wanting to break away from Pakistan and unintentionally the media has exposed them for what they are: people who are against Pakistan. Maybe some of the sympathy
for them will drain away when people hear what they really stand for.”
Is there anything that can be done to try and convince, non-violently, the Baloch separatists to end their insurgency?
“There is one thing: apologise for the killing of Akbar Bugti and say that it wasn’t the action of the Pakistan Army at large but of an individual. But they won’t do that.”
Hasn’t the state itself created many of the problems it is fighting today?
“The sardars have been lured in and out of power for decades. Everyone knows those games.”
“Allah Nazar [the most well-known of the ‘non-tribal’ insurgents] probably turned during his last spell in prison. The things they probably did to him … it hardened him.”
One last time, is there an end to the violence in sight?
“The killings will stop when one side or the other is weakened. Either the state or the insurgents will have to be weakened.”
No points for guessing which side the state thinks will be weakened first.
If all of this sounds rather grim, that’s Balochistan, the land where the intellectually barren fight in the name of ideas on the backs of a wretched people.
Tailpiece: The ‘Musharraf knew Osama was in Pakistan’ claim continues to circulate. Few realise its origins. Bruce Riedel’s sensational claim in the Daily Beast/Newsweek everyone now knows of. But Riedel wasn’t making the claim based on his own investigations. Instead, he linked to an article by a Pakistani journalist, Arif Jamal, in the Jamestown Militant Leadership Monitor.
The MLM piece in turn linked to the original source of the claim that Musharraf hid Osama: a Dec 8, 2011 column in Jang by one Altaf Hasan Qureshi, in which Qureshi quotes former DG ISI Ziauddin Butt saying so at a seminar. The claim was then repeated by Butt in a TV interview to DawnNews’s Azaz Syed on Dec 11.
Yep, the claim that Musharraf hid Osama has been out there in the Pakistani media, in print and on TV, since early December but it took Bruce Riedel to pick up a regurgitation of the claim in an obscure American publication for it to become national news in Pakistan. Only in the Pakistani media … caveat emptor!
The writer is a member of staff.
cyril.a@gmail.com
Balochistan, the unattributable story | Opinion | DAWN.COM
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Balochistan, the unattributable story
Cyril Almeida
THE more insightful snippets on Balochistan tend to be unattributable.
“If the Baloch got independence, on the first day we’d pick up a bottle of whisky and drink ourselves silly. Then on the second day we’d nurse our hangovers. And on the third day, we’d put the bottle aside, pick up our guns and start killing
one another.”
“There are only two great martial races in this part of the world: the Pakhtuns and the Rajputs. These Baloch think they are great fighters; in my village, a thousand better fighters are born every year. We know how to deal with them.”
“After a return from a stint in exile, he turned to one of his tribesmen and said, ‘So looks like you’ve been enjoying yourself since I’ve been away.’ The man had married twice in his leader’s absence. Ashamed, the man went home and shot both his wives.
That’s the mindset. Can anyone really talk about what ‘the Baloch population’ wants?”
So much has been written and said about Balochistan in recent weeks. Genocide. The break up of Pakistan. A pig-headed establishment. Baloch separatists pursuing self-interest in the name of the Baloch people.
Few, though, have shed light on what the folks who are guiding the state’s policy on Balochistan are thinking. So here goes, a Q&A with the unattributable, who either are doing or know those who are doing.
Is the spate of publicity causing a rethink of the Balochistan policy?
“Over the weekend, they released six or eight people. One of the released was of particular value to them. Maybe this is a nod to the pressure from the media and the political chatter. But probably nothing will change. It could just be a way of showing that they aren’t driving this, that [insurgent] violence will continue and then in a few weeks they can go back to their same tactics.”
So nothing will change?
“Nothing will change. People keep saying that the policy [kill and dump] isn’t working but that opinion isn’t shared by everyone.
There haven’t been any settler killings in 11 months in and around Quetta. Even in the so-called non-tribal belt, the insurgents have been pushed out of the cities and into the hills.”
Dozens of FC personnel have been killed in the last couple of months and insurgent attacks are up. Kill-and-dump isn’t working, is it?
“They’ve gone through about 300 names. They think there are 1,300 more. It may take another couple of years, but they’ll probably get them all.”
“It’s not because the strategy isn’t working but because it isn’t being implemented. The areas in which the violence is up are under the control of the FC. But when they [the insurgents] run into the hills, the FC doesn’t pursue them. The FC thinks that if they go into the hills, search for the hideouts, it will be called a military operation and they want to avoid that label.”
The killing of Pakhtuns by the Baloch insurgents is a new trend that is emerging. What’s behind that?
“They kill the poor labourers working on road and development projects because they say they don’t want any development in their areas, that they will develop the areas themselves after they’ve gained independence.”
“The FC in Balochistan is predominantly drawn from the Pakhtuns, so they’ve started to kill them as a way of lashing out against the FC. It’s a dangerous move, though. The ethnic map of Balochistan has changed dramatically in the last 30 years. The Pakhtuns already talk of joining Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.”
The Baloch moderates’ boycott of the last election created a leadership vacuum in the province, analysts suggest. At the next general election, will the moderates be able to come to power?
“If the sarkar allows it, there should be a sizeable presence in the Balochistan Assembly.”
Why would the sarkar, aka the establishment, want to keep moderates out of power when the establishment itself bemoans the absence of a credible Baloch political leadership?“They prefer people who are amenable to their demands. They bring them
from the most obscure imaginable backgrounds and install them in power because then they can control them.”
What does the security establishment think of the publicity that the insurgents are getting?
“Nowhere in the world does anyone advocating for the forcible secession of a part of a country get the kind of airtime these sardars are getting. It’s ridiculous and the media really ought to think about what they’re doing. A case for sedition could be
made out.”
“Actually, it’s helped expose these guys [the insurgents]. They’re openly talking about wanting to break away from Pakistan and unintentionally the media has exposed them for what they are: people who are against Pakistan. Maybe some of the sympathy
for them will drain away when people hear what they really stand for.”
Is there anything that can be done to try and convince, non-violently, the Baloch separatists to end their insurgency?
“There is one thing: apologise for the killing of Akbar Bugti and say that it wasn’t the action of the Pakistan Army at large but of an individual. But they won’t do that.”
Hasn’t the state itself created many of the problems it is fighting today?
“The sardars have been lured in and out of power for decades. Everyone knows those games.”
“Allah Nazar [the most well-known of the ‘non-tribal’ insurgents] probably turned during his last spell in prison. The things they probably did to him … it hardened him.”
One last time, is there an end to the violence in sight?
“The killings will stop when one side or the other is weakened. Either the state or the insurgents will have to be weakened.”
No points for guessing which side the state thinks will be weakened first.
If all of this sounds rather grim, that’s Balochistan, the land where the intellectually barren fight in the name of ideas on the backs of a wretched people.
Tailpiece: The ‘Musharraf knew Osama was in Pakistan’ claim continues to circulate. Few realise its origins. Bruce Riedel’s sensational claim in the Daily Beast/Newsweek everyone now knows of. But Riedel wasn’t making the claim based on his own investigations. Instead, he linked to an article by a Pakistani journalist, Arif Jamal, in the Jamestown Militant Leadership Monitor.
The MLM piece in turn linked to the original source of the claim that Musharraf hid Osama: a Dec 8, 2011 column in Jang by one Altaf Hasan Qureshi, in which Qureshi quotes former DG ISI Ziauddin Butt saying so at a seminar. The claim was then repeated by Butt in a TV interview to DawnNews’s Azaz Syed on Dec 11.
Yep, the claim that Musharraf hid Osama has been out there in the Pakistani media, in print and on TV, since early December but it took Bruce Riedel to pick up a regurgitation of the claim in an obscure American publication for it to become national news in Pakistan. Only in the Pakistani media … caveat emptor!
The writer is a member of staff.
cyril.a@gmail.com
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New York has more of a chance of gaining independence - than our Baluchistan, the reason being most of the intel being supplied to take out BLA active service units, is provided by Baluch people.
The media hype is that, hype - Baluch patriots are supporting us, in this fight.
The media hype is that, hype - Baluch patriots are supporting us, in this fight.
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