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Pakistan’s Nuclear Security, Threshold & India's Option.

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Three main points that we need to consider when it comes to Pakistan's Nuclear Capability.
  • Pakistan is also one of two nuclear weapons-possessing states , the other being North Korea—for which there is a non-negligible risk of state failure.
  • Pakistan continues to face almost daily assault from terrorists and insurgents. The fact that it perseveres in the face of such pressure is remarkable, but tends to add to the pessimists’ case, even if at times the pessimists have exaggerated the imminence of Pakistan’s demise.
  • Pakistan’s past inability or unwillingness to control the A. Q. Khan nuclear supplier network further amplifies international concerns. For some analysts Pakistan is simply a state that cannot be trusted.

Pakistan’s Nuclear Shield

Pakistan has a simple rationale for its nuclear weapons, & that is to counter India’s conventional military superiority. The Pakistan army appears to have convinced itself that if the juggernaut of India’s three Strike Corps rolls unstoppable across the international boundary during the next war, the nation (and its military ) will be safe behind a nuclear shield. Hence, the army feels that it cannot allow a civilian administration to steer the country’s nuclear course. It is well aware that elected governments are partial to public opinion and susceptible to international pressures. Therefore, the Pakistan army will not permit them to have a final say in an area that it considers vital to national security.


Pakistan relies heavily on its first strike doctrine to deter conventional conflict with India and, under the shadow of its nuclear umbrella, it continues to wage a low intensity proxy war against India in J&K and elsewhere. It is for this reason that Pakistan refuses to accept India’s offer of a bilateral no first use treaty as a nuclear confidence building measure.

Our Options to counter this threat

1. For a pre-conflict stage

Firstly, in the pre-conflict stage, we needs to make our military doctrine very clear to them. We need to indicate a pronounced inclination towards the Limited War concept. But it's really difficult to engage Pakistanis , with a really low nuclear threshold in a limited-War.Pakistan may choose to drop nuclear weapons over one or two Indian cities in addition to or instead of attacking the advancing mechanized forces. It's a really scary scenario which worries most of us.

2.Countering Pakistan by Hard & Deep Stikes.
The Pakistani ruling elite must be made to understand that while India may choose to fight a limited war in certain cases, as it did in Kargil, it is prepared to upgrade its military response to ‘all out’ war if the situation so demands. Once this realization dawns on the Pakistanis, they are unlikely to act irrationally and use tactical nuclear weapons to checkmate an Indian offensive,knowing fully well that a massive Indian nuclear counter-value and counter-force response will mean the end of Pakistan as a viable nation-state.


How to nullify/destroy Pakistan war machinery

  • It is well recognized that the concept of attacking the enemy’s center of gravity is key to all operational design.Due to the ongoing revolution in military affairs , the mass of enemy forces is no longer the most vulnerable and operationally important asset of the enemy.
  • The successful destruction of the enemy’s command centers, RSTA and firepower assets and the disruption of his intelligence communications systems will render him incapable of fighting effectively and will, hence, lead to eventual victory.
  • The aim must be to destroy Pakistan’s war waging machine completely and forever by launching joint Air-Land offensives employing conventional forces. All of these objectives can only be achieved if deep sledgehammer blows are launched jointly by the Indian army and air force during the next war with Pakistan. If a future Kargil-type of conflict that is initially limited, spills over and escalates into a larger conflict, India must plan to call Pakistan’s nuclear bluff and launch its Strike Corps deep into Pakistani territory.
  • The Pakistan army is not so irrational that it will risk the dismemberment of Pakistan through massive Indian nuclear retaliation and its own total annihilation by the early use of nuclear weapons.
2 Things that we need to do
  • 1)-The Indian government must find ways to convince Pakistan that a single nuclear strike on Indian territory or asserts will invite massive punitive nuclear retaliation. If it can do that, the nuclear deterrence battle with Pakistan would have been won.
  • 2)-The Indian army’s offensive punch and the air force’s ground strike capability must be upgraded to high standards so that the two services can launch joint Air-Land offensives deep into Pakistan to gain early tactical, operational and strategic advantage.
 
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this gibbrish will not work if we start loosing large chunks of territory or armed forces games over for both of us
 
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The aim must be to destroy Pakistan’s war waging machine completely and forever by launching joint Air-Land offensives employing conventional forces. All of these objectives can only be achieved if deep sledgehammer blows are launched jointly by the Indian army and air force during the next war with Pakistan

Q k hum nay to chorian phen rakhi hai na........

India needs to understand that no matter how big its military the day it wages war on Pakistan, it will not only have to deal with Pakistan army, its forces and its nukes, it will also face millions of suicide bombers. If you think we are bluffing just give it a try sometime. We are prepared to be annihilated but before going down we will make sure that India is wiped off the map or is left inhabitable?
 
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If Pakistan is a burger then India would have enjoyed it long ago with cow cola,but any way good for you because it is failing in your papers since 1947.
 
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this gibbrish will not work if we start loosing large chunks of territory or armed forces games over for both of us

The main objective here is NOT to capture/destroy large chunks of territories and armed forces of Pakistan.
Here our objective in case of an all out war is to destroy our enemy’s center of gravity at a really rapid phase.

So you get no time to reciprocate.If your intelligence, communications and command and control systems and long-range fire delivery means are rapidly taken out then your Nuclear- capability would be really vulnerable. It will also make your establishment think about the effectiveness of using the nuclear option at the given circumstance.

If we can successfully destroy of the enemy’s command centres, RSTA ,firepower assets and disrupt your intelligence communications systems then it will render you helpless.
 
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I sometimes have a good laugh on these kind of foolish opinions. Pakistan's nuclear weapons are for protection of it's borders from external threat(India). Any war that Pakistan feels it is loosing will result in Pakistan using it's nuclear stockpile. Pakistan understand that after nuclear war it won't be present but Pakistan will make sure that before going down it uses all of it's 200 weapons on aggressor India and bring it down too. Those 200 weapons are for defense not for statistics.
 
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The main objective here is NOT to capture/destroy large chunks of territories and armed forces of Pakistan.
Here our objective in case of an all out war is to destroy our enemy’s center of gravity at a really rapid phase. So you get no time to reciprocate.If your intelligence, communications and command and control systems and long-range fire delivery means are rapidly taken out then your Nuclear- capability would be really vulnerable. It will also make tour establishment think about the effective of using the nuclear option at the given circumstance.
If we can successfully destroy of the enemy’s command centres, RSTA ,firepower assets and disrupt your intelligence communications systems then it will render you helpless.

Shhhhhhhh :lazy2: somebody is having nice dreams.
 
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Firstly, in the pre-conflict stage, we needs to make our military doctrine very clear to them.
Both nations have done this clearly
2.Countering Pakistan by Hard & Deep Stikes.
i do not understand the fictional land that these authors live in which the other army is holding pom-poms n cheering for the invaders..
How to nullify/destroy Pakistan war machinery
not one viable point in this. Read basics of war fare and chain of command in war. The Pakistani troops have more authority to act on their own as it is.
  • The successful destruction of the enemy’s command centers, RSTA and firepower assets and the disruption of his intelligence communications systems will render him incapable of fighting effectively and will, hence, lead to eventual victory.
you expect no response to this other then a polite thank you
2 Things that we need to do
this is already been stated and there have been adequate replies given

let me write a piece also... To take down the Indian army we need to destroy their tanks after which we can bomb them with nuclear weapons. Once we have done that they will be weak enough for us to walk through and cut them in 23 pieces. We need to clearly tell Indians that we have a very sharp knife for this purpose. Article complete. No real material or concepts just plain BS
 
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.If your intelligence, communications and command and control systems and long-range fire delivery means are rapidly taken out then your Nuclear- capability would be really vulnerable.
And how does IA plan on doing it.The answer is ,Its simply not possible.Boy,come out of your fantasies.......U think IA will advance with strike corps and capture large parts of pakistan and IAF will carry out deep dtrikes in pakistan(LOL) and destroy our everything,and our forces r just gonna watch that while eating popcorns.Sometimes u indians forget that going nuclear is our last resort,First of all u have to deal with our well trained and equipped army and airforce.
 
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Q k hum nay to chorian phen rakhi hai na........

India needs to understand that no matter how big its military the day it wages war on Pakistan, it will not only have to deal with Pakistan army, its forces and its nukes, it will also face millions of suicide bombers. If you think we are bluffing just give it a try sometime. We are prepared to be annihilated but before going down we will make sure that India is wiped off the map or is left inhabitable?
Keep considering... Just empty words. As for war, bring it on!
what is left for us to take in Pakistan ?we are happy with the frequent punishment we give you at border.
 
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India does not need to counter Pakistan unless and otherwise it is attacked by Pakistan....And if i follow the trend in India and Pakistan relation correctly, the % of people from both sides of border who realizes that war between both nation is not the solution to any of our egos are increasing by each passing year....

Those are the times, when powerful armies attack any nation...Now the time is different. Think about a scenario, do you think India is really interested to take over any part of Pakistan?...Of course no..if also some offers in a platter to take over any part of Pakistan, then it is not going to happen....We already have to too much of Muslim population to deal with to integrate them to mainstream nationalism...We do not want any further portion of Pakistan and in turn large muslim population to be part of India...

And think other way around, Why even Pakistan will be interested to take any part of India except Kashmir valley. The logic that i have applied to our case is applicable to them too...

The only scenario where a war is predicted is when Pakistan attack India for occupying Kashmir valley...But based on the mindset of Pakistan policy makers, i do not see it is happening in near future....And of course, it is the best interest of India to avoid any war in next 20 year so that it can focous on economic development of the country..
 
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what is left for us to take in Pakistan ?we are happy with the frequent punishment we give you at border.

I am not sure I thought there your forces were always trying to prevent infiltration. If that's the best punishment you can give us then sorry we have not started punishing you yet.
 
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I am not sure I thought there your forces were always trying to prevent infiltration. If that's the best punishment you can give us then sorry we have not started punishing you yet.
In 2014 around 120 odd terrorist were killed by security forces and that is the 'official' figure.
 
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In 2014 around 120 odd terrorist were killed by security forces and that is the 'official' figure.

And where is the punishment in that for us?

Hey look this piece or article was some wishful thinking of the person presenting it and it warranted comments that Pakistanis including me have given. So no hard feelings, discussing it further would be a waste of time. You will say we are good (which you have every right to say) and I will say we are better.
 
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