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Pakistan's Noncampaign Against the Taliban

Despite strenuous entreaties by top U.S. officials, Pakistan has abandoned plans to mount a military offensive against the terrorist group responsible for a two-year campaign of suicide bombings across the country. Although the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has been in disarray since an Aug. 5 missile strike from a CIA-operated drone killed its leader, Baitullah Mehsud, the Pakistani military has concluded that a ground attack on its strongholds in South Waziristan would be too difficult.

The Pakistani military has choked off main roads leading out of South Waziristan, and the country's fighter jets have been pounding targets from the air (an operation Islamabad insists it will continue). But that falls short of the military campaign the U.S. desires. Instead, Pakistani authorities are hoping to exploit divisions within the TTP to prize away some factions, while counting on the CIA's drones to take out Baitullah's successors.
(See pictures of refugees fleeing the fighting in Pakistan's Swat Valley.)

U.S. counterterrorism officials worry that a failure to capitalize on the post-Baitullah confusion within the TTP will allow its new leader, Hakimullah Mehsud, to consolidate his position and reorganize the group. Officials in Washington say special envoy Richard Holbrooke and NATO commander General Stanley McChrystal have pressed the Pakistanis to strike while the iron is hot. But after initial promises to launch a ground offensive in South Waziristan, the Pakistanis have backed off.

A top Pakistani general, Nadeem Ahmed, recently said preparation for such an operation could take up to two months. Now there will be no ground assault at all, according to a senior Pakistani politician known to have strong military ties. Instead, the politician tells TIME, the military will try to buy off some TTP factions through peace deals.

This alarms U.S. officials, who point out that terrorist leaders have previously used peace deals to expand their influence. Such deals have been "abject failures that at the end of the day have made the security situation in parts of Pakistan worse," says a U.S. counterterrorism official. "Why the Pakistani government keeps returning to this strategy is a mystery."
(See pictures of Pakistan beneath the surface.)

A senior Pakistani military official tells TIME a ground operation in the mountainous wilds of South Waziristan would be too difficult and would risk triggering a "tribal uprising" in a region over which Islamabad has little control.

That assessment is shared by some Pakistan experts in Washington, who say the country's military, despite some success against militants in the Swat Valley, simply doesn't have the ability to confront the TTP head-on. A ground operation would leave the Pakistani army "with its nose bloodied," says Daniel Markey of the Council on Foreign Relations. Having "come out of Swat looking reasonably good," Pakistan's generals don't want to risk "taking a morale hit."
(Read "Are Pakistan's Taliban Leaders Fighting Among Themselves?")

But the experts — like some U.S. officials — suspect the Pakistani military lacks the desire to eliminate the TTP entirely. Bruce Riedel of the Brookings Institution, who conducted the Obama Administration's review of Afghanistan and Pakistan policy, says the military may simply want "to get the TTP back to where it was two years ago — a malleable force that doesn't attack the Pakistani state, and particularly not the army." A somewhat tame TTP is a useful bogeyman "to keep civilians appreciative of the need for the army to be getting resources and priority attention," Riedel adds.

For the Obama Administration, the Pakistani military's reluctance to take on the TTP doesn't bode well for the pursuit of U.S. interests. Washington would like Islamabad to confront the groups that pose a direct threat to NATO forces across the border in Afghanistan — the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network. But "it's not clear that the Pakistanis are prepared to pay more than lip service to that," says Riedel.

— With reporting by Omar Waraich / Islamabad
 
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Skeptic;463340" A somewhat tame TTP is a useful bogeyman "to keep civilians appreciative of the need for the army to be getting resources and priority attention said:
Riedel with typical BS.
 
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Pakistani generals know very well what are requirements to uproot the TTP and Haqqani network , it may be a strategy of US to weaken the our armed forces by involving them is long term gurrilla war in FATA and then give green signal to india to attack from eastern boarders
 
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We call fire-fighters when fire is out of control but as long as it stays in oven, its beneficial.

I know few Wahabis and they are fearless freaks. Even army personals were seen mentioning that they weren't afraid of dieing in Swat Operation. TTP is not fundamentally against existence of Pakistan, they are against Pakistan's decision to be an ally in the war against terrorism. If hostile sanctions of TTP are trimmed off, we can negotiate with TTP. And yes why not? Every country is doing what is best for itself. Why should we cut our fingers because Americans want so?
 
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Is it in our interest to spread Wahabism and violent JIhad all over the world which might even result in huge terrorist attacks?OR is it in our interest to disband all these groups once and for all and concentrate on healthcare, education and economy.
 
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Is it in our interest to spread Wahabism and violent JIhad all over the world which might even result in huge terrorist attacks?OR is it in our interest to disband all these groups once and for all and concentrate on healthcare, education and economy.

Self determination ,faith and national pride is higher then any thing else .

We need to stop terrorism of Israel and super powers by any means and ways for survival of our values and faith.

Death is better then dishonour
 
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Self determination ,faith and national pride is higher then any thing else .

We need to stop terrorism of Israel and super powers by any means and ways for survival of our values and faith.

Death is better then dishonour
Yeah do that in your great Saudiiiii Arabia and let me see what they do to you.
:yahoo::yahoo: What you call self determination, national pride and faith is not self determination or national pride but in fact terrorism and cowardism.Fighting like a jackal hiding in mountains.OTOH, You should on the other hand contribute in the development of your country so that one day it becomes so powerful that no other nation can mess with it instead of your wahahibism irhabhi ideas!
 
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What have Muslims gained by terrorism?Nothing what so ever.It's people like YOU who are against Muslims..Just count the number of jews and Muslims if every Muslim was to get education like Jew's and do something for their countries.Israel would not even exist today or if Jew's after world war 2 did not take education and work hard for nation instead take a AK47 and wage Jewish Jihad in Germany they would have been raped all over the world like Muslims.It's the Muslims who are destroying themselves.Jew's are too smart.They don't even have to worry about their Muslim enemies as they know their enemies will fight with Ak47 and madrash education while we will fight with our advanced technical education..I think how arabs got their ***** handed to them in 67 did not teach them a lesson.
 
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Yeah do that in your great Saudiiiii Arabia and let me see what they do to you.
:yahoo::yahoo: What you call self determination, national pride and faith is not self determination or national pride but in fact terrorism and cowardism.Fighting like a jackal hiding in mountains.OTOH, You should on the other hand contribute in the development of your country so that one day it becomes so powerful that no other nation can mess with it instead of your wahahibism irhabhi ideas!

What should bull fighter do with bull , talaban are doing the same with US forces, dont afraid of jews and zoinist and dont sell your pride for few dollars ,it is my message for you and for US well wishers

Putting head in sand will not save you from danger , remember this life is short but life after death is eternal but for brave sons of islam not for western minded coward mama boys afraid from US fire power.

What development you mean , at the cost of national pride and dignity it is shamefull idealogy?

Who ever opposes the aggression of israel and US is wahabi non sense.:devil:
 
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What have Muslims gained by terrorism?Nothing what so ever.It's people like YOU who are against Muslims..Just count the number of jews and Muslims if every Muslim was to get education like Jew's and do something for their countries.Israel would not even exist today or if Jew's after world war 2 did not take education and work hard for nation instead take a AK47 and wage Jewish Jihad in Germany they would have been raped all over the world like Muslims.It's the Muslims who are destroying themselves.Jew's are too smart.They don't even have to worry about their Muslim enemies as they know their enemies will fight with Ak47 and madrash education while we will fight with our advanced technical education..I think how arabs got their ***** handed to them in 67 did not teach them a lesson.

Well said Iqbal :

KAFIR HA TO KARTA HAI SHAMSHER PER BAROSAH
MOMIN HAI TO LARTA HAI BAY KAIF BHEE
 
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If we think western powers will help us build a better nation than its probebly mistake of all times. We had a hard time when USA was a mad-bull. The time is over. I wont call Musharaf's decission a bad one in context but now its the time we see what we need and what not. We see people are talking about un-necessary involvement of USA in Islamabad and in political / social matters to the degree of insanity. All this will not lead to the Pakistan you want to compare with Israel. We need to stand with dignity and pride. No bull$hit American is loved here and we must see what "good" they are about to do by staying within our boundaries. If Mullahs are wrong by holding AK-47, our "wise" decision makers are not doing any favor to this nation either.

Wahabism is not a sect, absence of sect is called Wahabiasm. They only take their guidance from Quraan and Ahadith and PERIOD, nothing after Quraan and Ahadith. If you think those Wahabis could be eliminated by killing every single of them, you got to kill every Muslim who believes in Quraan and Ahadith as their religious base. I do not subscribe to what TTP believes but TTP could be an assert if kept within limits and we need to listen and convince them with logic that war against Pakistan is not Jihad. You cannot eliminate ideology with machine-guns, bullets and hell-fire missiles, and when Pakistan is trying to do so, its nothing but an attempt to cut beam of light with a knife.
 
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Wahabism is not a sect, absence of sect is called Wahabiasm. They only take their guidance from Quraan and Ahadith and PERIOD, nothing after Quraan and Ahadith.


Yet Another Islamist, Takfiri apologist - one wonder what is it the mods on the forum actually do?

It is not freedom of speech to come on the forum and spew Islamist rubbish -- why do you guysw have such a hard time understabnding that freedoms are conditioned by responsibilities???

In order to get the US to return to Israel and venture no further than Israel, it is imperative for Muslim majority countries to bring the mad dog Islamist to heel, even more important is to change the politics from personal acrimony to one directed towards policies.

If as a region Muslim majority countries are not able to do this in a short amount of time, US policy will ensure that these countries will exist as landfills.
 
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If we think western powers will help us build a better nation than its probebly mistake of all times. We had a hard time when USA was a mad-bull. The time is over. I wont call Musharaf's decission a bad one in context but now its the time we see what we need and what not. We see people are talking about un-necessary involvement of USA in Islamabad and in political / social matters to the degree of insanity. All this will not lead to the Pakistan you want to compare with Israel. We need to stand with dignity and pride. No bull$hit American is loved here and we must see what "good" they are about to do by staying within our boundaries. If Mullahs are wrong by holding AK-47, our "wise" decision makers are not doing any favor to this nation either.

Wahabism is not a sect, absence of sect is called Wahabiasm. They only take their guidance from Quraan and Ahadith and PERIOD, nothing after Quraan and Ahadith. If you think those Wahabis could be eliminated by killing every single of them, you got to kill every Muslim who believes in Quraan and Ahadith as their religious base. I do not subscribe to what TTP believes but TTP could be an assert if kept within limits and we need to listen and convince them with logic that war against Pakistan is not Jihad. You cannot eliminate ideology with machine-guns, bullets and hell-fire missiles, and when Pakistan is trying to do so, its nothing but an attempt to cut beam of light with a knife.

Every patriotic pakistan's is sad due to bloodshed in FATA and SWAT and worried about the future of country .

Question is who forced these madrasah students to pick up the arms ?

Every one has right to live as per their faith but why our government is afraid to give this right ?


All problems of Pakistan could be solved if our assembly pass the shariah bill and supreme court implement it.

Why we are afraid of US , what they did after Afghan jehad again they could turn their face from Pakistan and Afghanistan .

No one solve our problems we have to resolve our internal differences, all political parties should sit together to comply the demand of people , they want peace,justice and dignity , when our politican could not provide basic needs then terorism and extremisim will come to fill the vacume.
 
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As far as we've heard Operation Rah-e-Nijat is under works. It was quite obvious that Pak Army would not venture into the battle during the winter time, not because the fighting is difficult but because refugee management is.
 
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