Pakistans no.1 enemy Afghanistan

[Oracle 33]

So United Nations can pay them while they are living in Afghanistan and Iran


Why you don't apply same approach towards Pakistan. India is making Afghanistan friend because of anti Pakistan sentiment. India is working for regional peace and stability? BS

We have good relations with all countries bar 1.

Nope that comes later. Its mainly Durand Line.
Afghans here don't even think about terrorists. All they rant is Peshawar is Afghanistan, Taxilla is Afghanistan ,bla bla,

People must understand there will be no change in borders, be it Kashmir, Tibet or Durand. Sooner we accept that the better it will be.

 

[black-hawk_101]

Many have noticed anti Pakistani attitudes among Afghans, a nation we sacrifice so my for so long.

Afghanistan does not accept the Pakistani -afganistan border as an international boundary, instead they call the Durand line.

Afghanistan supports terrorism, instability, arms trafficking, drug deliveries and crime in Pakistan. Alot of the crime in Pakistan is done by afghans, and thats a big problem nobody talk about. After Afghan war alot of weapon flooded over to Pakistan, alsodrugs, thats due to afghans, a big problem.

Afghanistan's intelligence agency NDS is actively working for RAW, the spying and supporting terrorism inside Pakistan on behalf of RAW

Afghanistan wants to actively facilitate disintegrate Balochistan and Kyber Pakhtunkwa from Pakistan and Afghanistan to get large parts of Punjab to Indus and Sindh province, the remains of the countries, India should take. There is an Afghan desire that India should take the rest of Pakistan.

The question is what will happen to the country's 200 million + inhabitants of Pakistan ?

It is a big problem that Pakistanis sees Afghans as our brothers and sisters. The question is what more is needed do be done before Pakistanis understand that no nation on this planet hate Pakistan as much as Afghans.

I will very annoyed when Pakistanis says we are fraternal nations, for these fools do not know better. Check out Afghan reads newspapers and television then you will see alot of haterat against Pakistan.
If you get chance to meet afghan then you will see he/she use very rude langhuage against Pakistan/pakistanies and vert strong need among afghans to integrate pakistani territoory with afghan territory.

Can anyone tell me why it is Pakistanis isnt informed that Afghans see Pakistan as their worst worst enemy.

My experience is that its possible to have friendly relationship with Indians abroad, but the same does not apply to Afghans. Afghans say openly how much they hate Pakistan, wherever in the world you meet Afghans. Whenever they get oppertunity they do an anti Pakistan speech, on all forums.

I want a discussion about what it takes to inform poorly informed Pakistani media about the Afghans' hatred for Pakistan and their strong will to annihilate Pakistan.

A proposed list of possible measures in the initial phase is to deal with hostile Afghans is-
-enforce border security along afghan border, mine the border, put up a fence along the whole border.
-become stricter in issuing visas to Afghans
-expell all Afghans from Pakistan
-Give death penalty to those corruput federal workers who issu fake pakistani passport & ID card to afghan nationals. Else it should be done inquiry into any passport issued on fake grounds in the past.
-Dont do business with afghans.
-Plan routes to Central Asia via China & Iran & Dont give landlocked Afghanistan any over land facility. Even Iranian dont like afghans
-File a case against Afghans to return the area of Wakhan/BashaKhan area back to Pakistan , which was illigaly ceeded to Afghanistan by the british during colonial era.

Pakistan might use SRBMs and IRBM against such threats in the region.

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

MEDIA is the main problem ...... have you ever heard news of afghan Taliban hitting american .... even now when their own generals have written books explaining why they lost in Afghanistan media is not allowed to show any thing ..... the people who are projected in the media are either from northern alliance who actually helped Americans infiltrate Afghanistan and are now being supported by india and after clearly seeing their defeat talking against Pakistan or paid people to raise propoganda ..... the real leaders of Afghanistan the Agfhan Talibans are in favour of pakistan and definetly western media will not show that side ......SO ITS BASICALLY PART OF 5th GEN WARFARE..... it will be settled soon in very near future in sha allah ...... to Pakistanis I would really suggest to not fall for this two way sword in which they trying really hard to separate our brethren heart from us and really trying hard to take away strategic depth from us.

 

[WAJsal]

Tensions between Pak & Af had reached the international stage before Pakistan could barely walk.

“From almost the first day of Pakistan’s existence as an independent country, relations between the two states were strained” . Afghanistan showed its frustration over the referendum when it voted against Pakistan’s entry into the United Nations in September 1947 stating that Pakistan shouldn’t join the “brotherhood” of peaceful nations in the UN until it satisfactorily solved the Pashtunistan issue.

The Afghan representative, Hosayn Aziz, is quoted to have said, “We cannot recognise the North-West Frontier as part of Pakistan so long as the people of the North-West Frontier have not been given an opportunity, free from any kind of influence, to determine for themselves whether they wish to be independent or to become part of Pakistan ”

Pakistan took the initiative in December 1947 to discuss the issue with Afghanistan in Karachi. The afghan representative, Najibullah Khan wanted the Durand Line to be seen as null and void and also wanted Pakistan to allow the establishment of Pashtunistan. Zafarullah Khan, Pakistan’s Foreign Minister, tried to reassure Afghanistan that the Pashtuns of the frontier “would enjoy equal and autonomous status within Pakistan”

The Afghan government convening a ‘Loya Jirga’ or National Assembly in Kabul on 26 July 1949 to officially declare that they no longer recognised the 1893 Durand Line Agreement, the Anglo-Afghan Treaty of 1905, the Treaty of Rawalpindi of 1919 and the Anglo-Afghan Treaty of 1921. A “Pashtunistan Day” is officially celebrated each year in August to reaffirm this declaration.

Sir, we have conducted a goddamn referendum there, Pathan in Pakistan are a very patriotic lot and do not want to join Afghanistan. I have never understood as to on what basis does Afghanistan lay claim on KPK, FATA and Baluchistan. These people are our people, Afghanistan needs to face the reality, in fact we should lay claim on their Pashtun populated areas, sick people. There was a point when we considered them our brothers, we have done so much for them.
What we should do is send these thankless people back home and let them rot. Maybe this will teach them a lesson.

 

[third eye]

Sir, we have conducted a goddamn referendum there, Pathan in Pakistan are a very patriotic lot and do not want to join Afghanistan. I have never understood as to on what basis does Afghanistan lay claim on KPK, FATA and Baluchistan. These people are our people, Afghanistan needs to face the reality, in fact we should lay claim on their Pashtun populated areas, sick people. There was a point when we considered them our brothers, we have done so much for them.
What we should do is send these thankless people back home and let them rot. Maybe this will teach them a lesson.

Appreciate both your points & concern.

The reason for non acceptance of the Durand line is the same as that of China not accepting the Mc Mohan line or Palestinians not accepting Israeli boundaries.

These nations feel that the lines were created by the Brits when they were at their lowest , now that the Brits have left they want to claim areas demographically close to them. Now India, Pakistan & Israel are left holding the baby with no where to go for no fault of theirs. None of these nations can accept what China, Af or Palestine want.

On the underlined part above, Pak may have done them a lot of good but seen dispassionately, Pak has done a lot of harm too, Afghans see Pak as Iraqis see USA.

Things like strategic depth etc would not go down well with any nation however small it may be.

If Af is dependent on Pak so is the other way round. Pak has shortsightedly used Af to its own ends for decades. No offence meant but it reminds me of the damage done to China by the Brits - Opium wars.

By now the Afghans have infiltrated so deep into the Pak system including Karachi there is no way they can be removed without further unpredictable damage.

The border never existed nor is controllable, the issues are many. Pak let the ambiguity along its western border remain for 50 + years. Now it is hard put to assert itself in that region.

Pak will have to tread carefully.

 

[WAJsal]

Appreciate both your points & concern.

The reason for non acceptance of the Durand line is the same as that of China not accepting the Mc Mohan line or Palestinians not accepting Israeli boundaries.

These nations feel that the lines were created by the Brits when they were at their lowest , now that the Brits have left they want to claim areas demographically close to them. Now India, Pakistan & Israel are left holding the baby with no where to go for no fault of theirs. None of these nations can accept what China, Af or Palestine want.

Inncorrect comparison, as we gave our side of people a chance to join them, which they refused, as they had sacrificed a lot for Pakistan.

On the underlined part above, Pak may have done them a lot of good but seen dispassionately, Pak has done a lot of harm too, Afghans see Pak as Iraqis see USA.

they hate us from day one.

By now the Afghans have infiltrated so deep into the Pak system including Karachi there is no way they can be removed without further unpredictable damage.

The border never existed nor is controllable, the issues are many. Pak let the ambiguity along its western border remain for 50 + years. Now it is hard put to assert itself in that region.

Pak will have to tread carefully.

Not so deep, they are quite easy to remove, we just need to give a get go, unfortunately our government still feels the need to help these thankless people.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Inspite of Afghan's disdain for Pakistani people , they have no problem living in our country and making a livelihood in Pakistan through jobs and businesses.

I have never known such shameless and dishonorable people in my life.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Things like strategic depth etc would not go down well with any nation however small it may be.

As a matter of fact you wasted just 8 years of your life on this forum and if you are a Professional in this field then whole life.
Regards.....

I have never known such shameless and dishonorable people in my life.

Half licked boot of Russians to kill other half, then half start licking boots of ISAF and India to kill other Half,they give Peshawar,Lahore and Amritsar to Sikhs and Brits,then in 1947 there Ghairt woke up suddenly and Pashtun Brotherhood jumped up from no where.

 

[third eye]

As a matter of fact you wasted just 8 years of your life on this forum and if you are a Professional in this field then whole life.
Regards.....

What I am sure I have wasted is the 10 seconds it took me read an opinion that does not matter.

 

[aliyusuf]

Inspite of Afghan's disdain for Pakistani people , they have no problem living in our country and making a livelihood in Pakistan through jobs and businesses.

I have never known such shameless and dishonorable people in my life.

Let me add ungrateful. Over 3 million of them given refuge since the Soviet invasion in the late 70's. Many of them illegally merged into the Pakistani society and spread all over Khyber-Pakhtunkwa, Baluchistan and Karachi. All this for over 3 decades. Without even a sense of gratitude.

They are one of the primary causes for drug trafficking in Pakistan.

 

[Sine Nomine]

What I am sure I have wasted is the 10 seconds it took me read an opinion that does not matter.

 

[tore]

I grossly disagree with this notion that Afghans are our enemy.You are talking about a nation you were almost about to form a confederation with in early 50s, a country you share cultural heritage for centuries unlike Indians. and here you people are promoting animosity on political differences formed over what last 50-60 years? which is outright ridiculous because whatever an urbanized afghan says or no matter how ungrateful an afghan refugee is there is STILL a huge section of Afghan population that has goodwill towards Pakistan and wants peace on the border regions, now if those people are not given coverage by the int. and afghan media you dont need to fall for for it. im not shooting this in the dark whatever your experience is, i have seen very friendly Afghans in Pakistan and outside.Check any of the localities in overseas, Afghans and Pakistani live in the same neighborhood WHY? Afghan may choose some other neighborhood but they dont, . Yes they have political differences, and those who dont cross the limit in mutual respect are able to live in harmony.If they say Pakistan has failed as a nation the response is not to curse him in return but put your point in a way which makes him believe we are not giving up in building this nation. And No not every Afghan believes in Durand line, most of them are happy with their current borders, they DONT want to fight a war with a MUSLIM nation. Please dont blow the distrust out of proportion and stop the racism.you disagree with the kabul govt fine dont stereotype aghans into everything.
p.s im not a PasthuN/Afghan

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Sir, you should do more research , afghans hate pakistanies, everybody knows that, stop living in fools paradise.

 

[Kakaspai]

Boss it's more complicated than this, Afghanistan blames elements in Pakistan for sheltering terrorist and Pakistan blames Afghanistan in doing the same.

yes we did provide shelter to terrorists=Afghanis

 

[TMA]

I grossly disagree with this notion that Afghans are our enemy.You are talking about a nation you were almost about to form a confederation with in early 50s, a country you share cultural heritage for centuries unlike Indians. and here you people are promoting animosity on political differences formed over what last 50-60 years? which is outright ridiculous because whatever an urbanized afghan says or no matter how ungrateful an afghan refugee is there is STILL a huge section of Afghan population that has goodwill towards Pakistan and wants peace on the border regions, now if those people are not given coverage by the int. and afghan media you dont need to fall for for it. im not shooting this in the dark whatever your experience is, i have seen very friendly Afghans in Pakistan and outside.Check any of the localities in overseas, Afghans and Pakistani live in the same neighborhood WHY? Afghan may choose some other neighborhood but they dont, . Yes they have political differences, and those who dont cross the limit in mutual respect are able to live in harmony.If they say Pakistan has failed as a nation the response is not to curse him in return but put your point in a way which makes him believe we are not giving up in building this nation. And No not every Afghan believes in Durand line, most of them are happy with their current borders, they DONT want to fight a war with a MUSLIM nation. Please dont blow the distrust out of proportion and stop the racism.you disagree with the kabul govt fine dont stereotype aghans into everything.
p.s im not a PasthuN/Afghan

Of course there are Afghans who do not hate Pakistan and wish for brotherly ties however their voices are not allowed to be heard. It is similar to the Bharat where there people who wish for sincerely brotherly ties but they are not in power.
Do not be naive.

I grossly disagree with this notion that Afghans are our enemy.You are talking about a nation you were almost about to form a confederation with in early 50s, a country you share cultural heritage for centuries unlike Indians. and here you people are promoting animosity on political differences formed over what last 50-60 years? which is outright ridiculous because whatever an urbanized afghan says or no matter how ungrateful an afghan refugee is there is STILL a huge section of Afghan population that has goodwill towards Pakistan and wants peace on the border regions, now if those people are not given coverage by the int. and afghan media you dont need to fall for for it. im not shooting this in the dark whatever your experience is, i have seen very friendly Afghans in Pakistan and outside.Check any of the localities in overseas, Afghans and Pakistani live in the same neighborhood WHY? Afghan may choose some other neighborhood but they dont, . Yes they have political differences, and those who dont cross the limit in mutual respect are able to live in harmony.If they say Pakistan has failed as a nation the response is not to curse him in return but put your point in a way which makes him believe we are not giving up in building this nation. And No not every Afghan believes in Durand line, most of them are happy with their current borders, they DONT want to fight a war with a MUSLIM nation. Please dont blow the distrust out of proportion and stop the racism.you disagree with the kabul govt fine dont stereotype aghans into everything.
p.s im not a PasthuN/Afghan

Of course there are Afghans who do not hate Pakistan and wish for brotherly ties however their voices are not allowed to be heard. It is similar to the Bharat where there are people who wish for sincere brotherly ties but they are not in power.
Do not be naive.

u destroyed their country for ur and american vested interest.

You forgot the role played by Afghans themselves. You also forgot the role played by Bharat. You also forgot the dirty role played by Afghanistan in destabilizing Pakistan in the early years of Pakistan. It was not very brotherly of them.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Guys I have just thought of a fair and humane solution to our Afghan problem. With millions of legal and illegal Afghans residing in Pakistan and many more set to pour in, I propose that all fit and healthy Afghans over the age of 22 living in Pakistan go and work all the hard labour jobs for the CPEC project for free for 5 years. We will provide free food, shelter and medical care for them in that time. That would save CPEC a lot of money which can be re-invested for other projects. This will improve the economy of Pakistan in the long run and provide a better place for the Afghans to live in. This will also justify the Afghans living in Pakistan and end accusations of them being parasites who have been sucking the blood of Pakistanis since 1979. Any Afghan who refuses will be deported immediately.

Of course there are Afghans who do not hate Pakistan and wish for brotherly ties however their voices are not allowed to be heard. It is similar to the Bharat where there people who wish for sincerely brotherly ties but they are not in power.
Do not be naive.




Of course there are Afghans who do not hate Pakistan and wish for brotherly ties however their voices are not allowed to be heard. It is similar to the Bharat where there people who wish for sincerely brotherly ties but they are not in power.
Do not be naive.



You forgot the role played by Afghans themselves. You also forgot the role played by Bharat. You also forgot the dirty role played by Afghanistan in destabilizing Pakistan in the early years of Pakistan. It was not very brotherly of them.

Sometime in the future we may have more cordial ties with Afghanistan but never with india. The indians are a race that will be the enemy of Pakistan for the rest of eternity. That will never change. We are not their "brothers". We are not their nothing. Please be realistic.