'Pakistan's Nasr missile is the most dangerous development in South Asia'

[Sarjen29]

I was not referring to your genius of "strategic analysis"but to your comedian style avatar depicting lack of seriousness.

then my bad...

 

[Side-Winder]

that's no fancy but a meaningful reply.. do you've a counter point then put on, we'll discuss.. isn't the reason you opened this thread??

Sir, Either you're being naive or ignorant of the importance of development of tactical nukes. There is a reason why we are putting so much into this. Saying, 'Pakistan won't even use it' implies that you've got no idea about the tactical nukes.
With all due respect.

 

[Sarjen29]

Nasr is a battlefield nuclear weapon to use against aggressive force with in our Border to avoid International outcry what its make Indian nightmare that A colonel or brigadier can decide the fate of thousand Indian soldiers.

Read the post #41 its very simple

 

[NaCCC]

I dont think Pakisan needs nukes to dismantle this fake fragile and un-natural union of India, few million guns in the hands of Moaists, Khalistanis, Tamils, Northeastern states etc can do better job.

 

[al_asad_al_mulk]

Read the post #41 its very simple

Dude this thread still not reaches 41 posts.

 

[Sarjen29]

Dude this thread still not reaches 41 posts.

Sorry 31

 

[al_asad_al_mulk]

Sorry 31

Yeh tu lulwa how gaya

 

[volcano]

Nuclear first strike with nasser doesn't make any sense. If one go for nuclear strike that will be an all out nuclear first strike targetted to wipe out enemy. If pakistan go for a nuclear 1st strike with nasser, it will be the most foolish decision in their history. That will cause india to strike in full force and eipe out pakistsn.

 

[Sarjen29]

Sir, Either you're being naive or ignorant of the importance of development of tactical nukes. There is a reason why we are putting so much into this. Saying, 'Pakistan won't even use it' implies that you've got no idea about the tactical nukes.
With all due respect.

Dude.. ya the reason is to scare the enemy to not to advance. that doesn
t mean they're goign to use it risking the end of both countries. like i already said IA is not going to Invade pakistan to a level its going to use nukes, and PA is not going to use nukes that allows India to go MAD...

 

[JUTT_OF_FSD]

indian moooooooootrus surgeon should be out...............

 

[Sarjen29]

Nuclear first strike with nasser doesn't make any sense. If one go for nuclear strike that will be an all out nuclear first strike targetted to wipe out enemy. If pakistan go for a nuclear 1st strike with nasser, it will be the most foolish decision in their history. That will cause india to strike in full force and eipe out pakistsn.

Exactly @Side-Winder

Yeh tu lulwa how gaya

Again not a single word dude

 

[al_asad_al_mulk]

Nuclear first strike with nasser doesn't make any sense. If one go for nuclear strike that will be an all out nuclear first strike targetted to wipe out enemy. If pakistan go for a nuclear 1st strike with nasser, it will be the most foolish decision in their history. That will cause india to strike in full force and eipe out pakistsn.

Yep but if inside Pakistan against aggressive forces.

 

[Pakistanisage]

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Estimates of Pakistan's rate of growth of nuclear warheads are often exaggerated in the West and blindly quoted by some by Indian analysts as well.

So I will go by the estimates made by our International Panel on Fissile Materials which has been tracking fissile material production of all countries year after year.

It is true that the Pakistanis have set up 3 plutonium (Pu) producing reactors at Khushab and a fourth is in the making. But these are believed to be heavy water reactors of about 50 MWth (Megawatt thermal) capacity.

Such reactors typically produce, at 65 per cent efficiency, about 7 kg of Pu each per year. At best the three reactors can together produce only 105 kg in five years, which can fuel about 21 warheads.

'Pakistan's Nasr missile is the most dangerous development in South Asia' - Rediff.com India News

The date on this article on Rediff.com is July 27, 2015.

The least this Author could do is to check his facts before Publishing this crap.

He claims Three Reactors are operational whereas ISIS article clearly shows fourth Reactor has been operational since the beginning of 2015. Also, he claims the power of each reactor to be in the range of 50 MWth but the ISIS article clearly shows that the first Reactor one has 50 MWth power and the rest of the Reactors ( Reactor 2,3, and 4 ) produce double or more power ( 100 MWth + ) and hence capable of producing more than double the amount of Weapons-Grade Plutonium, compared to reactor 1. Which means all his estimates regarding Plutonium Production are erroneous and can be tossed out in the RUBBISH BIN. In reality, these 4 reactors can produce more than twice as much of Weapons Grade Plutonium as claimed by the Indian Author.

Please refer to the bold text below of ISIS Report.





ISIS Reports
Pakistan’s Fourth Reactor at Khushab Now Appears Operational
by David Albright and Serena Kelleher-Vergantini

January 16, 2015

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Pakistan’s Khushab nuclear site, located 200 kilometers south of Islamabad, is dedicated to the production of plutonium for nuclear weapons. Its expansion appears to be part of an effort to increase the production of weapons-grade plutonium, allowing Pakistan to build a larger number of miniaturized plutonium-based nuclear weapons that can complement its existing highly enriched uranium nuclear weapons.

Originally, the site consisted of a heavy water production plant and an estimated 50 megawatt-thermal (MWth) heavy water reactor, both of which became operational in the 1990s. However, Pakistan initiated the construction of a second heavy water reactor between the year 2000 and 2002, a third one in 2006, and a fourth one in 2011.

A recently purchased Digital Globe high resolution satellite image dated January 15, 2015 shows that Khushab’s fourth reactor’s external construction is complete and has become operational. This assessment is based on the presence of a very specific signature: steam is venting from the reactor’s cooling system.

ISIS first highlighted the construction of this fourth reactor at the beginning of 2011 and has been monitoring the construction progress of this reactor. Although the construction of the reactor was at the early stages, a February 2011 ISIS Imagery Brief noted that the footprint for the building was similarly sized to that of the second and third Khushab reactors. In a May 2012 ISIS Imagery Brief, ISIS noted that the construction on the reactor was halfway to completion. Imagery clearly indicated that the reactor building lacked roofing and the reactor vessel was not yet visible within the building. A December 2013 ISIS Imagery Brief showed that the external construction of the fourth reactor building was almost complete. However, the cooling system was only 30 percent complete. Additionally, ISIS highlighted that, beyond the immediate vicinity, the wider layout of the fourth reactor complex exhibited numerous differences when compared to that of reactors 2 and 3. A set of three identical buildings not seen in the layout of reactors 2 and 3 had been completed north of the reactor 4 building and a number of smaller support buildings were constructed both south and east of the reactor.

Work on the fourth reactor has proceeded at a much slower pace than previously predicted. The slower pace could be due to the differences in layout or to factors not evident in satellite imagery.

The December 2014 and January 2015 imagery also shows that the third Khushab reactor is operational, since steam is venting from the cooling system (see figure 4). However, no steam is visible at reactor 4.

Other Changes at the Site
The recent imagery shows that two previously unseen types of activity are taking place at the site. First, vegetation has been eliminated in a large central area between reactor 1 and reactors 2 and 3 (see figure 4). It is difficult to establish whether this desertification is intentional or not. If intentional, it could potentially signify that Pakistan is preparing the grounds for future construction activities. Second, both December 2014 and January 2015 images show that some new construction activity is taking place in the south-west corner of the Khushab site, south of reactors 2, 3, and 4 (see figure 4). It is not yet clear what this activity is. One possibility that cannot be ruled out is that this activity could be for the construction of another reactor.

A comparative analysis of the construction activities for reactors 2, 3, and 4 highlights several similarities. First of all, the new construction area is located close to Khushab’s heavy water production plant. Second, the area is surrounded by a security perimeter that is, in shape and size (1 km by 1 km), very similar to the perimeter surrounding reactors 2, 3, and 4. Third, the foundations that are visible within this security perimeter are, in shape and size, very similar to the foundation work that was done for the construction of reactor 4 (see figure 5 and here). However, analysis of this new image also highlights a feature that is not consistent with the construction of a reactor similar to reactors 2, 3, and 4. The foundations are not located precisely in the center of the security perimeter, rather more toward the south end of it, closer to the river. On balance, it is too early to make a definitive assessment on what this construction is meant for.

Power of the Newer Reactors
Pakistan has never provided public information regarding any of the Khushab reactors. Therefore, the power output can only be estimated. ISIS estimates the power of the original heavy water reactor to be about 50 MWth while reactors 2, 3, and 4 are believed to generate double or more the power of the first one, and are thus capable of producing more than double the amount of weapon-grade plutonium per year. A technical consultant to ISIS with years of experience in heavy water reactors assessed for ISIS that the power of these newer heavy water reactors is likely to be larger than the first one and that over time their power could be further increased. The increase in power can be accomplished by using more advanced fuel or adding heat removal capacity.

Figure 1.Digital Globe imagery dated January 15, 2015 showing steam at the fourth heavy water reactor at the Khushab nuclear site in Pakistan.

Figure 2.Close up of fourth heavy water reactor at Khushab. Digital Globe, January 15, 2015.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Dude.. ya the reason is to scare the enemy to not to advance. that doesn
t mean they're goign to use it risking the end of both countries. like i already said IA is not going to Invade pakistan to a level its going to use nukes, and PA is not going to use nukes that allows India to go MAD...

scaring india for that purpose pigeons and cows are enough .......

 

[Side-Winder]

Dude.. ya the reason is to scare the enemy to not to advance. that doesn
t mean they're goign to use it risking the end of both countries. like i already said IA is not going to Invade pakistan to a level its going to use nukes, and PA is not going to use nukes that allows India to go MAD...

Ah, and just for the sake of it, how does it make Nasr of 'no use'. When you believe that it's meant to scare the enemy. which it seems to have done already (OP) ?

And no, it's not only meant to scare you. You're a bigger country with bigger force, The theory or a 'hollow threat' will be converted into action in any event of attack as part of cold start doctrine. We WILL use the force multipliers to limit indian gain, regardless of what you believe. We are hardly a match for your magnitude of force. Do you think it'd be that much easier for you to Respond to a 'tactical nuclear' attack with full ballistic nuclear strike? No, not at all kid