Pakistan's military capable to penetrate Rajasthan

[A1Kaid]

It was actually China that first requested Pakistan to join in on the attack on Hind in 1962, so in the past China was open to the idea as far as AP goes, opportunity exist there too.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

This is Pakistan Defense forum. What is the problem? If there is a problem it's not with the thread itself but other causes. You're placing your blame inappropriately on the thread.

I am discussing a military matter of future concern for all of Pakistan, other members discuss everything from music, rape, crime, social ills, actresses, etc everything but military matters, and you blame me?

because you have opened a foolish thread as simple as that

i am all for analyzing hypothetical scenarios & military related discussion including future conflict scenarios assessments but these subjects needs a certain degree of maturity & realism to it which your suggestion failed to explain etc

 

[Wickerman]

It was actually China that first requested Pakistan to join in on the attack on Hind in 1962, so in the past China was open to the idea as far as AP goes, opportunity exist there too.

And then they had 3 opportunities to do the same, and they didnt. They were even asked by the United States in 1971, to attack India, and were offered political backing, but they didnt.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

It was actually China that first requested Pakistan to join in on the attack on Hind in 1962, so in the past China was open to the idea as far as AP goes, opportunity exist there too.

yes they did & we could have made enormous gains had we had the foresight to accept it but it was our unfortunate fate that we had an absolute duffer named ayub khan ruling us back then. plus that was then, now the situation is different China will not intervene in an indo-pak conflict period. we had our chance back in 62 & we blew it.

 

[Armstrong]

yes they did & we could have made enormous gains had we had the foresight to accept it but it was our unfortunate fate that we had an absolute duffer named ayub khan ruling us back then. plus that was then, now the situation is different China will not intervene in an indo-pak conflict period. we had our chance back in 62 & we blew it.

When are you going to change your flags to the Paksitani one ! Ajaiii hurr kinaa ghusaaa eh saddii uteeei !

 

[Norboo]

Pakistani armored divisions launching a night time invasion supported by Air Force and mass ground troops could very well capture Rajasthan and surrounding areas. Though considering Pakistan's territory Kashmir is already occupied we should be ready to occupy land without fear.

Yes, it would be a cakewalk as the Indian Army and Air Force would be sitting on their haunches watching the Pakistanis just walk in and capture Rajasthan and Kashmir! Pakistan has been trying its darnedest to capture Kashmir since 1947 and have failed - Op Gibraltar, Grand Slam etc.. Instead they've lost half their country already!

So all this talk of capturing Rajasthan and Kashmir and holding them is a figment of imagination and pure fiction.

 

[Manas]

To Pakistanis,



Lets discuss Pakistan's military capable to penetrate and capture Rajasthan, in a hypothetical war scenario.


Is it even possible? In the past the Pakistan army has broken through and captured Indian towns in Rajasthan. How effective or how capable is the Pakistan military to strike, attack, penetrate and hold position in Rajastha including capturig or at least laying waste to Jaipur today in case of war?

What are the logistical and military challenges?

So I want to discuss this as I have been thinking about this realistic future scenario.


A1

Choora aise Jhaanwela Saphnaaa Matt dekha kar !! Carry on pls.

 

[SamantK]

Our strength is in arming our population.

Average Pakistani civlians having weapons has always been looked down upon by most Indians, but to tell you the truth it is a double edged sword.

I had a friend with a vintage AA gun mounted on his roof.



Go figure.


So IA would face heavier resistance in Pakistan than the PA would in India.

Is this the other version of 1 soldier is equal to 10 Indians theory?

You can arm your population only to dig in and survive a ground assault... Lets see how a 1000kg LGB fair against a roof mounted gun...

 

[Hindustani]

It was actually China that first requested Pakistan to join in on the attack on Hind in 1962, so in the past China was open to the idea as far as AP goes, opportunity exist there too.

China had the opportunity in 65', 71' as well as Kargil. And any proof in the bolded part?

 

[Abhishek_]

Since several members have brought up two-front war for India.

Let's change the condition of the war, let's say India is engulfed in a two-front war with Pakistan and China. Does that better Pakistan's chances of thrusting into Rajasthan and threatening inner Indian cities? Several factors influence this, duration of war, as duration of war increases so does the feasibility of such an operation into Rajasthan, air dominance may be not superiority could be attained in such a scenario over western Hind, as Pakistan will not have to divert any of it's military forces. An India in two-front war situation will be heavily strained at breaking point, bulk of their resources will have to diverted to the north-eastern theater, of course depending on the threat level, considering who they will be facing I presume the threat is likely to be critical and dangerously high for them.

Pakistan military under a two-front war India could make significant gains not only in Rajasthan but Kashmir, depending on the duration of such a war and it's intensity. Objective has to be clear and that is Kashmir, Rajasthan however can be a way to drive a wedge into India for other military purposes. The next war will be one of territorial change not simply resources. Since potential rewards are high for Pakistan it is best Pakistan implement it's defense doctrine in a single war with India, however if facing a two-front war India, Pakistan should go into full attack mode; Generals probably already know this and plan this.

a two-front war will severely affect indian war machine. no doubt about that.

as earlier mentioned, IA doctrine is to go on full offensive including deep strikes in pakistan while maintaining a defensive posture against chinese incursions.

the objective at that point will be to decimate the weaker opponent since India can't win against china anyway. one can expect tremendous losses in the indo-pak sectors.

 

[third eye]

I think you forgot about Chawinda


cheers

suggest you brush you your geography.

The thread relates to Rajasthan.

 

[Thorough Pro]

What would be the significance of Rajhistan after its capture on the negotiations table???

In any such hypothetical scenario, Pakistan should focus on three areas

Indian Punjab - help opressed Sikh community to declare independence and achive their dream Khalistan.

IOK - No ore explaination required

Kargil - Strategically important to get both IOK and Siachen

To Pakistanis,



Lets discuss Pakistan's military capable to penetrate and capture Rajasthan, in a hypothetical war scenario.


Is it even possible? In the past the Pakistan army has broken through and captured Indian towns in Rajasthan. How effective or how capable is the Pakistan military to strike, attack, penetrate and hold position in Rajastha including capturig or at least laying waste to Jaipur today in case of war?

What are the logistical and military challenges?

So I want to discuss this as I have been thinking about this realistic future scenario.


A1

 

[mjnaushad]

Remmember "Longewala" in Rajasthan, the bloodiest ever nose which the Pakistani Army got at the hands of 120 men of Sikh infantry, manning that post and four Hunters aircraft who had to wait till the morning to blow 38 Pakistani tanks to pieces. It all happened in 1971, the last times the Pakistanis tried to penetrate Rajasthan.

Pakistani tanks first had to overcome these 120 men before they reached Jodhpur town of Rajasthan by nightfall. They miserably failed, rather ran away in the face of repeated Hunter attacks.

If you do not believe read Pakistani historian Major A. H. Amin's account of the battle.

The battle was so unique that from 10.00 PM night till 6.00 AM morning, a brigage of Pakistani Army consisting of 3,000 men and Tanks could not overcome resistance offered by 120 men of Sikh infantary manning the Longewala Post.

Long live Major Kuldip Singh Chandpuri, who lead is 120 men to victory at Longewala.

Hence do not even think of penetrating anywhere in Rajasthan or elsewhere.

That attack failed because tanks are not enough without infantry support..... something people call mech infantry divisions.... PA infantry is now trained mech infantry to support tanks in battlefield scenario. However Indian see longewala as Suni deval jumping on pakistani tanks and throwing nades in everyone one them and screaming along the way ..ahhhhhhahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

 

[Srinivas]

No this is certainly nt possible any more

in the modern day war

God is on the side of those with

*Superior weapon capabilities in quality and quantity
*More men power
*A better economy
*And a follow on world to help(track record of a country)

Since all these parameters are on there side So would be the God on there side as well


once again this is certainly nt possible now

and If ever done would be more of an suicidal act for Pakistan

Most importantly below points

1) People who are tolerant towards others and their beliefs and culture

2) Society which is open to evolve along with the changing times.

Some good points, but they lack ammunition to fight for several weeks according to some reputable reports. I think depending on the strategy used Pakistan military can capture Rajasthan, in war anything can happen.

Pakistani armored divisions launching a night time invasion supported by Air Force and mass ground troops could very well capture Rajasthan and surrounding areas. Though considering Pakistan's defense doctrine this is difficult. Also will depend how far the Army and GoP are willing to push it, to take the wa me to that extent is a war of hundreds year of tensions at least. Though considering Pakistan's territory Kashmir is already occupied we should be ready to occupy land without fear.

Obviously we don't want to discuss in detail on the public forum but in general ideas are good.

Cool down mate, India has no plans to conquer Pakistan and We donot want any territory of pakistani land.

We also expect a good relationship from our neighbors.

 

[Bang Galore]

ke that we left and separated our ways from. But we're discussing Rajasthan not sure if you can stay on topic.
Bangladesh it was apart of our Pakistan Empire, it was a colony of ours oh well even Byzantine empire fell apart. Besides age of empires is supposedly over at least in the traditional sense.

Yeah, with excuses like these, it is most likely that someone will be saying the same thing about Baluchistan in another 30 years.........