Pakistan's indigenous African community

[Leader]

No they don't. This has been proven genetically and English translations of Alexander's diary make clear mention of blond haired people in the Chitral Valley who bury their dead in coffins. That fits the perfect description of the Kalash.

Most Greeks don't resemble the Kalash. Please let's cut the ignorance.

I have heard it, any link would be much appreciated... Tarar has also mentioned something like this is him book,...

 

[Hafizzz]

It is fascinating, i didnt know this.

I guess you did not know that India also have an indigenous African community ?

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[Meengla]

p.s there is also a small village near the border with china which have European travelers 1960s hippies most of them Germans living there they call it there home now and are proud Pakistanis , there is a same kind of village in ladakh valley if am not mistaken.

Where is that village of former hippies? That's worth looking into--although those poor folks would not want the attention.

 

[Porus]

No they don't. This has been proven genetically and English translations of Alexander's diary make clear mention of blond haired people in the Chitral Valley who bury their dead in coffins. That fits the perfect description of the Kalash.

Most Greeks don't resemble the Kalash. Please let's cut the ignorance.

I wonder if the people of northern Pakistan had heard the name of Alexander before the arrival of British who actually propagated this nonsense for their own purpose. You are right about wooden coffins that have been mentioned by Alexander and other Greek historians, the wooden coffins in which the Kalash people use to bury their deads.

These must be the same people whose wooden coffins were burnt by Alexander, as the historians say.

 

[Porus]

Sheedis were brought as slaves by the Muslim traders from Zanzibar many centuries ago. They have been living in Sindh and Balochistan for far longer period of time then two centuries as the thread starter mentions in his first post.

How many Pakistani have heard the name of General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi, a sheedi general of the army of Talpurs?

Under the command of General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi the Talpurs fought the last battle against the British known as the battle of Dubba. General Hosh M. Sheedi was martyred in the last battle and the Sindhis still remember the famous slogan of General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi, "marveso, marveso per Sindh na deso" (I will fight and fight but I will never give up Sindh).

The heroes of the Indus valley who spilt their blood to defend their motherland were the first victims of the well-planned propaganda that is still used to fool the gullible people of this valley.

 

[Leader]

Sheedis were brought as slaves by the Muslim traders from Zanzibar many centuries ago. They have been living in Sindh and Balochistan for far longer period of time then two centuries as the thread starter mentions in his first post.

How many Pakistani have heard the name of General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi, a sheedi general of the army of Talpurs?

Under the command of General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi the Talpurs fought the last battle against the British known as the battle of Dubba. General Hosh M. Sheedi was martyred in the last battle and the Sindhis still remember the famous slogan of General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi, "marveso, marveso per Sindh na deso" (I will fight and fight but I will never give up Sindh).

The heroes of the Indus valley who spilt their blood to defend their motherland were the first victims of the well-planned propaganda that is still used to fool the gullible people of this valley.

awesome info.... thanxs

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Sheedis were brought as slaves by the Muslim traders from Zanzibar many centuries ago. ...

How many Pakistani have heard the name of General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi, a sheedi general of the army of Talpurs?
...

By Omanis.

Hoshu Sheedi's legend is on the tongues of people but some historians do dispute the claim that the man even existed. However, if we go with the majority opinion, then that makes him the absolute hero and the Talpurs absolute villains because they are said to run away from their own kingdom with the aristocracy leaving Hoshu and other slave-soldiers to defend the land. The sheedis/seedis could have traded the land to the British on their terms but is its stead they fought and died. For what? Today the sheedis are still paupers and the Talpur baloch and other waderas still in undeserving aristocracy.

 

[Leader]

By Omanis.

Hoshu Sheedi's legend is on the tongues of people but some historians do dispute the claim that the man even existed. However, if we go with the majority opinion, then that makes him the absolute hero and the Talpurs absolute villains because they are said to run away from their own kingdom with the aristocracy leaving Hoshu and other slave-soldiers to defend the land. The sheedis/seedis could have traded the land to the British on their terms but is its stead they fought and died. For what? Today the sheedis are still paupers and the Talpur baloch and other waderas still in undeserving aristocracy.

the statement you gave in itself is quite unfair, by suggesting a whole community to flew homelands, and letting the "slave Sheedis" to fight at their own?.... as for aristocracy is concern, it might be true...however anything further to that surely looks like a colonial propaganda against the community to whom they were bringing Christian civilization.

 

[Porus]

By Omanis.

Hoshu Sheedi's legend is on the tongues of people but some historians do dispute the claim that the man even existed. However, if we go with the majority opinion, then that makes him the absolute hero and the Talpurs absolute villains because they are said to run away from their own kingdom with the aristocracy leaving Hoshu and other slave-soldiers to defend the land. The sheedis/seedis could have traded the land to the British on their terms but is its stead they fought and died. For what? Today the sheedis are still paupers and the Talpur baloch and other waderas still in undeserving aristocracy.

Alice Albinia mentioned Hosh Mushammad's story in her book Empires of the Indus. The Baloch Talpurs were valiant soldiers and I never heard or read anywhere that they ever ran away from any battle field. Please provide any evidence if you have any.

 

[Safriz]

These Africans of Pakistan are mainly migrants from Kingdom of Oman.They have centuries old ties with Oman,still ongoing....
Many villages near Karachi have boat building industries which have clients in Oman and in many other Arab states,but they have these ties from centuries....

 

[American Pakistani]

hmm......interesting in the south we have black people from africa in the north there white people kalash tribes supposedly descended from greeks amazing diversity.

Well in the south there is white population too, mostly from Poland & other small east european states.

 

[Safriz]

Well in the south there is white population too, mostly from Poland & other small east european states.

The area where Pakistan exists has been invaded multiple times by foreign powers..and has been an important trade route....and the mountains have been hiding place for runaway and defunct tribes.

Orakzai of Waziristan and many other wazir Tribes are from France...
Hazara Jadoon people of Abbottabad are from Turkey..
List goes on

 

[Jango]

the omanis here are from pre pkistani gwadr era, in oman, where i live, the people who had a link to gwadar before it was handed to pakistan are called balushis, and they can speak balochi and urdu fluently in addition to arabic.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Gwadar’s location and history have given it a unique blend of inhabitants. The Arab influence on Gwadar is strong due to Omani rule and the close proximity of Arab regions. The presence of the Omani slave trade is felt in the town with people descended from African slaves who passed through the town. The area also has remarkable religious diversity, being home to Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Qadianis, Parsis and other minor Islamic sects. Among the most important religious sects is the Zikri sect, a faith that about half of Gwadar’s inhabitants claim to follow.

The Omani connection is possibly the reason for the African blood.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Alice Albinia mentioned Hosh Mushammad's story in her book Empires of the Indus. The Baloch Talpurs were valiant soldiers and I never heard or read anywhere that they ever ran away from any battle field. Please provide any evidence if you have any.

Sure, the Talpurs might have been brave against the kalhoRos but reportedly fled away from the resolute and organised force of the British, even leaving their women behind! My sources are only from banter with local people, not from reading.