Pakistan's Growing Human Capital

[RiazHaq]

What does India have to do with what we are talking about?

Sorry, it wasn't meant for you! It was a response to Argus Panoptes who said: "After all, we produced the famous Agha Waqar Ahmed, who created the water powered car. Can India, or any other country on Earth, match that level of science and technology? NO!"

 

[RangerPK]

Sorry, I thought I was replying to argus, my mistake.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

You kinda sound like one of those Iranians who lie about inventing stuff...

And you kinda sound like one of those Pakistanis who do not understand what sarcasm is.

Actually, my point was that all these claimed "scientific personnel" that we have include a huge number of useless people like Agha Waqar.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

A 12-year-old Pakistani girl is taking advance online classes offered by Stanford University. The youngest Microsoft certified professional is a Pakistani. Young Pakistanis are setting records with straight A's on O level and A level Cambridge courses. These frequent reports offer anecdotal evidence of Pakistan's growing human capital. Such evidence is also supported by data reported by various researchers and organizations.

With nearly 16% of its population in 25-34 years age group having college degrees, Pakistan is well ahead of India and Indonesia, according to Global Education Digest 2009 published by UNESCO Institute of Statistics. UNESCO data also shows that Pakistan's lead is growing with younger age groups.

By comparison, a little over 12% of Indians and 9% of Indonesians in 25-34 years age group have completed tertiary education. In 35-44 years age group, 11% of Pakistanis, 9% of Indians and 8% of Indonesians have completed college education. The report shows that 3% of Pakistanis and 1% of Indians have completed tertiary education abroad.

Harvard University researchers Robert Barro and Jhong-wa Lee offer similar insights into educational attainment in Asia and the rest of the world. As of 2010, there are 380 (vs 327 Indians) out of every 1000 Pakistanis age 15 and above who have never had any formal schooling. Of the remaining 620 (vs 673 Indians) who enrolled in school, 22 (vs 20 Indians) dropped out before finishing primary school, and the remaining 598 (vs 653 Indians) completed it. There are 401 (vs 465 Indians) out of every 1000 Pakistanis who made it to secondary school. 290 (vs 69 Indians) completed secondary school while 111 (vs. 394 Indians) dropped out. Only 55 (vs 58 Indians) made it to college out of which 39 (vs 31 Indians) graduated with a degree.


Another important point to note in Barro-Lee dataset is that Pakistan has been increasing enrollment of students in schools at a faster rate since 1990 than India. In 1990, there were 66.2% of Pakistanis vs 51.6% of Indians who had no schooling. In 2000, there were 60.2% Pakistanis vs 43% Indians with no schooling. In 2010, Pakistan reduced it to 38% vs India's 32.7%.

Pakistan's human capital development has been driven over the years starting with the Green Revolution technologies in 1960s to nuclear development program in 1980s and information and telecom revolution in 2000s. More recently, there has been growing interest in biotechnology and robotics. Completion of the first human genome project has spawned more than 200 life sciences departments at Pakistani universities. US drones have angered and fascinated many in Pakistan to go into robotics at 60 engineering colleges and universities in Pakistan. These revolutions have inspired large numbesr of young Pakistanis to study courses in business and STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) fields and swell the ranks of scientists and professionals.

Clearly, both India and Pakistan have made significant progress on the education front in the last few decades. However, the Barro-Lee dataset confirms that the two South Asian nations still have a long way to go to catch up with the rapidly developing nations of East Asia and the industrialized world. Huge investments made in higher education during Musharraf years helped hundreds of thousands of students to benefit from the doubling of the number of universities from 71 in 2002 to 137 now. It's now the responsibility of Pakistan's civilian leadership to sustain that momentum.

Faster economic growth requires BOTH skilled manpower and investment of dollars as Pakistanis saw during Musharraf years. Regardless, the growth of human capital is a good thing to build a foundation for Pakistan's future. It'll contribute to economic growth when the security situation improves and FDI returns to Pakistan. The country's large diaspora too will be helpful in accelerating Pakistan's growth and development with money and skills.


Haq's Musings: Human Capital Growth in Pakistan

Nicely twisted the information..... you just did what you do the best... you converted change% to actual numbers ... and you spinned of a fantastic story around it. KEep up the good work.

 

[Mian H Amin.]

we just need to improve our standards of education and most of our problems will be solved. danish schools wont solve the issue, for that we need to vote for PTI who will make education compulsory.India in this field is progressing because of their education system.

 

[ChennaiSKing]

For the same reason that UNESCO Inst of Statistics did in this case.

The following is a graph from UNESCO's Global Education Digest:

Haq's Musings: Human Capital Growth in Pakistan

http://www.ifap.ru/library/book433.pdf

This is called cherry picking...you find some data favorable to your point and build some sand castle over it and claim see - we have a wonderful, sound, strong fort...!!! by the way Mr. Haq this data points towards a date of (1994-2003), it's ten year old data - wake up sir now it's 2013...the world have moved a long way from 2003...!!!

As far as I know, below are some of the simple fact sheets about India:-

1). Indian Population: 120 Million
2). Indian IT Industry 2013: $ 109 Billion
3). Indian Pharma Industry : $ 21 Billion
4). Indian Auto Industry : $ 110 Billion
5). Indian Literacy Rate : 74.04 percent in 2013
6).Indian Railway:
One of the world Largest
115,000 km Track
7,500 stations
Revenue : US$20 billion
In 2011, IR carried over 8,900 million passengers annually or more than 24 million passengers daily
8). India has sent moon probe
9). ISRO is amongst the six largest government space agencies in the world, and a leader in Remote Sensing satellites
10). Forex Reserve : $ 290 Billion
11). 4 metro rail system in operation and another 6 Metro service under construction

Above are only few samples, and I can add many such data about India - yes we have poverty, but the thing is no one is having magic want to wipe it over night, India have come a long way, now we have a setup in place to pull us out of poverty and we are doing it in a grand scale, now kids those who complete their studies with good marks are recruited directly from their colleges, in-fact many Indian companies have spread their operation all around the globe and sending Indians to run their over seas operation and I am one such Indian company employee...

Now you can compare your country data with the one I have provided to see where your country stand today...!!!

Also 20 years back not an extreme Indian optimist would have thought - that graduates and highly skilled Europeans and US citizens will come to work in India, but that is also happening today...

 

[India defense]

Let quit comparing ourselves with India - we wish the Indians the best - our focus should on comparing ourselves with France and Germany and Sweden and others - we have much to learn from India but we also have much to learn from others - if we can have done this without the govt, keep in mind what we could have and still can do with a govt of competent patriots - lets keep our focus, aim for Germany, for France, for Japan, for Korea

Dont even think of comparing Pakistan with those countries..u will commit suicide

 

[khanboy007]

do we have a research and development organization for some thing average

not high end physics such as particle physics etc

like a general research institute

 

[RiazHaq]

do we have a research and development organization for some thing average

not high end physics such as particle physics etc

like a general research institute

One of the most important discoveries in Physics since Einstein's Theory of Relativity has possibly just been made at CERN and dozens of Pakistani scientists have contributed to it.

Scientists at CERN claim that they have discovered the Higgs field, also nicknamed the "God particle" that travels faster than light, thereby proving Einstein wrong, according to the Associated Press reports.

"The feeling that most people have is this can't be right, this can't be real," the AP story quotes James Gillies, a spokesman for the European Organization for Nuclear Research.



The most high-profile effort to find "God Particle" is taking place about 300 ft below ground in a tunnel at the French-Swiss border. Buried there is a massive particle accelerator and super collider called LHC (Large Hadron Collider) run by the Swiss lab CERN (European Organization of Nuclear Research), which has two beams of particles racing at nearly the speed of light in opposite directions and the resulting particles produced from collisions are being detected by massive detectors in the hope of experimentally finding the fundamental particle of which everything in the universe is built from: God Particle.



Among the world scientists working at CERN on LHC project is Professor Hafeez Hoorani of Pakistan's Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad. He is one of 27 Pakistani scientists at CERN.CERN is the most highly respected research lab in Switzerland responsible for LHC. He acknowledges that Pakistan government's support for Pakistani scientists' serious involvement at CERN materialized only after 1999, the year former President Musharraf's government assumed power. He also gives credit to Dr. Abdus Salam, Pakistan's only Nobel Laureate, for inspiring him and his colleagues to pursue serious scientific research.

Haq's Musings: Pakistani Physicists at CERN Help Find "God Particle"

 

[Vinod2070]

Because he (Riaz Haq) knows that no 'half-intelligent person' would even give a sideways glance to his "A-musings" otherwise...

No.... that is A-musing. Now is'nt that what Haq's A-musings is all about?
A blog by the insecure for the insecure. That is the method to it.

Actually the OP indulges in blatant scavenging (scour the net for any contrived metrics to "prove" that Pakistan is doing better than India).

Of course, the lack of even primary grade data interpretation skills remains his undoing.

One example:

Here are the problems with this data:

1. If you go by this table, it suggests that the middle class in India and Pakistan is a lot smaller than reported in the ADB report, and it's going to remain small in the future.

2. It's an individual's opinion published in a magazine, not comparable to an institution like ADB which has a large research dept.



Since you are challenging data and report done by Harvard University researchers Robert Barro and Jhong-Wa Lee, please tell us what evidence you have to back up your opinion?

Here's the data from Barro & Lee:

A New Data Set of Educational Attainment in the World, 1950-2010

He kept on parading this for months and months like a parrot.

Pakistan has a secondary level completion rate of 22% while India has 0.9%!

Basic data skills would have told him how foolish the whole thing is. Not a Pavlovian response system.

BTW, India doesn't benchmark itself against Pakistan. Not because we have contempt for them or anything, just that we don't think we have anything to do with them.

We need to find our own destiny and they are free to find their own.

 

[RiazHaq]

do we have a research and development organization for some thing average

not high end physics such as particle physics etc

like a general research institute

Complete gene mapping of a Pakistani citizen by Human Genome Project in Karachi has put the country on a very short list of nations which have accomplished this scientific feat. To assess the state of genomics and biotechnology in Pakistan, let's take a look at what is happening in the country in this field:

1. Researchers at the Panjwani Center for Molecular Medicine and Drug Research (PCMD) in Karachi collaborated with Beijing Genomics Institute (BGI) to complete gene mapping of Dr. Ata-ur-Rahman, according to SciDev. Dr. Rehman, President of Pakistan Academy of Sciences, volunteered himself for the project.

2. More than two hundred life sciences departments are engaged in genomics and biotechnology research at various Pakistani universities, according to a report in The News.

3. Pakistan has been a Science Watch rising star for several years for research papers in multiple fields, particularly in biological sciences. Publications by Pakistani research teams have increased four-folds in the last decade, and the majority of publications from major universities are in life sciences.

4. Pakistan began producing biotechnology based pharmaceuticals in 2009. The first of these plants was set up by Ferozesons in Lahore to produce interferon for treatment of hepatitis, according to Nature magazine.

5. Pakistan has significant research efforts in seed and livestock development at various agriculture universities, institutes and departments. Pakistani researchers and scientists are currently collaborating in life sciences with their counterparts in the US and China. A number of crops like cotton, rice, wheat, corn, potato, ground nut are being developed locally or with the collaboration of Chinese and US seed companies.

6. Post-doctoral research on biotechnology and related agricultural issues is being funded under a Young Scientists Program, as part of the USDA-funded sustainable endowment to support the Agricultural Linkages Program at the Pakistan Agricultural Research Council (PARC). An MOU for $7.5 million has been signed under the Pakistan-U.S. Science and Technology Program between Pakistan’s Higher Education Commission (HEC) and the Ministry of Science and Technology and the U.S Agricultural Research Service (ARS) for scientific collaboration and capacity building of scientists.

7. National Biosafety Committee has allowed stacked gene (Cry 1A and Cry 2Ab) in cotton developed by Center of Excellence in Molecular Biology (CEMB), Lahore. Several other stacked gene products are in the pipe line and will be put for approval soon.

8. Pakistan is building the capacity of its young scientists in the legislative, regulatory, and policy areas related to agricultural biotechnology, biosafety and nanotechnology. A small project has been funded in Agricultural Nanobiotechnology related to the use of nanoparticles for plant genetic engineering utilizing a Bio-Rad biolistic gene gun at National Institute for Biotechnology and Genetic Engineering (NIBGE), Faisalabad.

Haq's Musings: Genomics & Biotech Advances in Pakistan

 

[khanboy007]

One of the most important discoveries in Physics since Einstein's Theory of Relativity has possibly just been made at CERN and dozens of Pakistani scientists have contributed to it.

Scientists at CERN claim that they have discovered the Higgs field, also nicknamed the "God particle" that travels faster than light, thereby proving Einstein wrong, according to the Associated Press reports.

"The feeling that most people have is this can't be right, this can't be real," the AP story quotes James Gillies, a spokesman for the European Organization for Nuclear Research.



The most high-profile effort to find "God Particle" is taking place about 300 ft below ground in a tunnel at the French-Swiss border. Buried there is a massive particle accelerator and super collider called LHC (Large Hadron Collider) run by the Swiss lab CERN (European Organization of Nuclear Research), which has two beams of particles racing at nearly the speed of light in opposite directions and the resulting particles produced from collisions are being detected by massive detectors in the hope of experimentally finding the fundamental particle of which everything in the universe is built from: God Particle.



Among the world scientists working at CERN on LHC project is Professor Hafeez Hoorani of Pakistan's Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad. He is one of 27 Pakistani scientists at CERN.CERN is the most highly respected research lab in Switzerland responsible for LHC. He acknowledges that Pakistan government's support for Pakistani scientists' serious involvement at CERN materialized only after 1999, the year former President Musharraf's government assumed power. He also gives credit to Dr. Abdus Salam, Pakistan's only Nobel Laureate, for inspiring him and his colleagues to pursue serious scientific research.

Haq's Musings: Pakistani Physicists at CERN Help Find "God Particle"

i know about CERN, i asked about any in Pakistan for Pakistan for average physics not high end physics average physics as in aerodynamics etc..

 

[RiazHaq]

i know about CERN, i asked about any in Pakistan for Pakistan for average physics not high end physics average physics as in aerodynamics etc..

There are hundreds of them...like PINSTECH, Pakistan Inst of Physics, Panjwani Center for Molecular Medicine and Drug Research (PCMD), Pakistan Agricultural Research Council (PARC), Center of Excellence in Molecular Biology (CEMB), Ebrahim Jamal Inst, etc etc


Haq's Musings: Silicon Valley Launch of "Eating Grass- The Making of the Pakistani Bomb"

 

[RiazHaq]

Pakistan is on a list of 17 developing countries where some of the Raspberry Pi computers have been sold...100 of them, according to Tech Crunch.

Where In The World Are The 1.2M Raspberry Pi Microcomputers? Mostly In The West — But Pi Founders Want More Spread This Year | TechCrunch

 

[Vinod2070]

Pakistan is on a list of 17 developing countries where some of the Raspberry Pi computers have been sold...100 of them, according to Tech Crunch.

Where In The World Are The 1.2M Raspberry Pi Microcomputers? Mostly In The West — But Pi Founders Want More Spread This Year | TechCrunch

No comparison with India for a change now (6000 sold)?

Only when it suits the pathetic agenda?