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Pakistan’s GDP to expand by 4.5pc: ADB

Who is Vivek Kaul?

Certainly not the IMF or WB....or even an economist. A cherry picking dumbass that idiots seem to relish in posting.

I wont bother dissecting his article again since its already been done and like the typical rice-eating lazy lungi...you are a day late and dollar short:

Latest Indian GDP data is FAKE. Heres why
IMF/WB dont produce data, they just post what GOI hand them over. Vivek Kaul is certainly a smart Indian who could see the anomaly in posted data. The ignorant and delusional kid like you can learn a lot from your own countryman.

Bangladesh is a filthy flood-ridden swamp....you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously? More than 1100 people in every square kilometre, even if only 10% (and its much more in reality) of your people poop outside, they would be doing so on someone else's feet. But being a Bangladeshi, no one would even notice I bet....since everything is under water and swampy to begin with.

Its why Bangladesh should send more pole vaulters to olympics....surely you can win your first olympic medal that way....since its your defacto national sport.

Its not about space kid.. its about civility. You are long shot away from it.... You can still talk to Vivek Kaul and learn more about civility.
 
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IMF/WB dont produce data, they just post what GOI hand them over.

You have no clue as to how SNA end verification is done by the IMF. A country can't just publish any data it wants and hope all the figures somehow are accepted blindly by the world....well maybe an insignificant country like Bangladesh can...since it has near 0 impact on the world economy....but even then it will be noticed quite quickly.

The IMF and WB are always in the constant process of sending teams and consultants to India ministry of statistics to better measure and analyse the Indian economy.

India Gets IMF Help on Back-Casting of New GDP Data - NDTVProfit.com

IMF team headed for India to grasp new GDP method - timesofindia-economictimes

IMF to send a team this week to solve India’s GDP growth puzzle | The Indian Express

Vivek Kaul is certainly a smart Indian who could see the anomaly in posted data. The ignorant and delusional kid like you can learn a lot from your own countryman.

OK so you completely sidetracked his absolute crucifixion in the other thread.....good for you....you can listen to whatever you want to listen to make you feel better about your failed swamphole of a country that everyone laughs about (if they have even heard of it in the first place...which is a big stretch) Typical lungi.

Its not about space kid.. its about civility. You are long shot away from it.... You can still talk to Vivek Kaul and learn more about civility.

Bangladesh is well known for being the uneducated, uncultured part of Bengal. So its funny when one of its paddy working lungis talks about civility. Do you know the utter level of contempt people in even South East Asia (where people are much more docile and civilised than the Middle East) hold for Bangladeshis? It's getting so bad that Bangladeshis are trying to pass off as Indians whenever they can....just like they are doing with their restaurants in the UK. You are a defeated, ignorant people ashamed of your own identity. A whole genocide occured in your land (which you say was 3 million murdered) and you are all still undecided how to proceed to get any semblance of justice. Its no suprise your lot.alternate between having two bi-polar parties in power....while your daddy India actually controls you from the inside.

1100 people per square kilometer sinking into the ocean or under rivers day by day and pole vaulting while they have the chance. Thats Bangladesh in a sentence.
 
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You have no clue as to how SNA end verification is done by the IMF. A country can't just publish any data it wants and hope all the figures somehow are accepted blindly by the world....well maybe an insignificant country like Bangladesh can...since it has near 0 impact on the world economy....but even then it will be noticed quite quickly.

The IMF and WB are always in the constant process of sending teams and consultants to India ministry of statistics to better measure and analyse the Indian economy.

India Gets IMF Help on Back-Casting of New GDP Data - NDTVProfit.com

IMF team headed for India to grasp new GDP method - timesofindia-economictimes

IMF to send a team this week to solve India’s GDP growth puzzle | The Indian Express

IMF did accept your older method of calculation, they even approved your newer method. Its all about how you want to feel good about yourself. IMF/WB only care about their lending security and guaranteed pay back. We are still using our legacy method. No complain from IMF. We can upgrade and post 8% growth rate too and I dont think they will complain either. ;)

OK so you completely sidetracked his absolute crucifixion in the other thread.....good for you....you can listen to whatever you want to listen to make you feel better about your failed swamphole of a country that everyone laughs about (if they have even heard of it in the first place...which is a big stretch) Typical lungi.


Vivek Koul wears Dhuti. You should listen to him. Very smart and civil guy. I am sure he uses latrine and washes hands everytime he uses it.

Bangladesh is well known for being the uneducated, uncultured part of Bengal. So its funny when one of its paddy working lungis talks about civility. Do you know the utter level of contempt people in even South East Asia (where people are much more docile and civilised than the Middle East) hold for Bangladeshis? It's getting so bad that Bangladeshis are trying to pass off as Indians whenever they can....just like they are doing with their restaurants in the UK. You are a defeated, ignorant people ashamed of your own identity. A whole genocide occured in your land (which you say was 3 million murdered) and you are all still undecided how to proceed to get any semblance of justice. Its no suprise your lot.alternate between having two bi-polar parties in power....while your daddy India actually controls you from the inside.

1100 people per square kilometer sinking into the ocean or under rivers day by day and pole vaulting while they have the chance. Thats Bangladesh in a sentence.

You are still taught these population $hit in your school like any 3rd world country which are at risk of famine and starvation. BD already passed that stage. This same shit is taught even in Africa where population density is scarce only because they cant produce enough for their even smaller population. How many farmer committed suicide this year in India?
 
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Nope. According to an official report, energy shortfall is responsible for 2% reduction in GDP growth rate.

so it mean's at the end of 2018 we can have that 2% additional growth rate ,as much of energy crisis would be sorted out by that time... ??? secondly we can have some 2% improvement in growth rate due to improvement in security issues. so it mean's in 2019 we will have 8-8.5% gdp growth rate ????????????
 
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IMF did accept your older method of calculation, they even approved your newer method. Its all about how you want to feel good about yourself. IMF/WB only care about their lending security and guaranteed pay back. We are still using our legacy method. No complain from IMF. We can upgrade and post 8% growth rate too and I dont think they will complain either. ;)




Vivek Koul wears Dhuti. You should listen to him. Very smart and civil guy. I am sure he uses latrine and washes hands everytime he uses it.



You are still taught these population $hit in your school like any 3rd world country which are in risk of famine and starvation. BD already passed that stage. This same shit is taught even in Africa where population density is scarce only because they cant produce enough for their even smaller population. How many farmer committed suicide this year in India?

Blah blah blah......end of the day Bangladesh is a poor swampy floodplain the size of North Korea...whereas India has an entire subcontinent and ocean named after it.....and is massively more relevant to the world economy today than Bangladesh can ever dream of becoming. India has lower poverty, better education, large prosperous states (with 3 or 4 times the per capita income of Bangladesh) and faster growing poorer ones (closer to the income levels of B'desh).

Take just one metric that can be easily be end-verified by 3rd parties: FDI.

We get more FDI in our worst month of the year than Bangladesh does in the entire year.

In fact in the last 12 months, the FDI was nearly 34 billion USD in total. These are numbers India cannot fabricate or make up since they arise from elsewhere.

India Foreign Direct Investment | 1995-2015 | Data | Chart | Calendar

Now lets see Bangladesh:

Bangladesh Foreign Direct Investment | 2002-2015 | Data | Chart | Calendar

1.5 billion USD for the entire 2014....and its dropping from the last year.

And you are expecting anyone to believe that Bangladesh is growing at 8% if Bangladesh says so? LOL. Dont damage your JUNK credit rating (not investment grade like India) anymore than you need to Mr Lungi.

List of countries by credit rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We are only going to keep pulling away from you (you should be growing faster than us since you are poorer by far):

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

The final result is quite telling:

RfQ0Pm9.jpg


India was 3% of the world economy in 1980, Bangladesh was 0.32%. So we were about 10 times more significant.

By 2020 India is predicted to be 8.5% of the world economy, Bangladesh will be 0.59%. In 2020 we will be 14 times more significant than you (and also factor our population is a little more than 7 times yours only)....and that significance number will only keep increasing....considering the vast chasms between the two countries in education levels + absolute poverty (which determines how many have crossed into the threshold of low income but aspiring to be middle class). Basically we nearly tripled in world economic impact in 40 years, while you only doubled....and that too we did it from a much higher per capita income base....and lower poverty.

Poverty & Equity Data | India | The World Bank - 21.3% absolute poor in 2011

Poverty & Equity Data | Bangladesh | The World Bank - 43.7% absolute poor in 2010

And Indias figure may be a lot lower in 2011:

http://pubdocs.worldbank.org/pubdoc...09701443800596288/PRN03-Oct2015-TwinGoals.pdf

Box 2 page 12, World Bank accepts Indian absolute poverty rate may have been as low as 12.4%.

Education comparison:

Pakistan, ISI "biggest threat" to India & Bangladesh : Bangladesh diplomat | Page 6

You are simply nowhere near the same league as us. You don't need to be so butthurt about that.
 
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Blah blah blah......end of the day Bangladesh is a poor swampy floodplain the size of North Korea...whereas India has an entire subcontinent and ocean named after it.....and is massively more relevant to the world economy today than Bangladesh can ever dream of becoming. India has lower poverty, better education, large prosperous states (with 3 or 4 times the per capita income of Bangladesh) and faster growing poorer ones (closer to the income levels of B'desh).

Take just one metric that can be easily be end-verified by 3rd parties: FDI.

We get more FDI in our worst month of the year than Bangladesh does in the entire year.

In fact in the last 12 months, the FDI was nearly 34 billion USD in total. These are numbers India cannot fabricate or make up since they arise from elsewhere.

India Foreign Direct Investment | 1995-2015 | Data | Chart | Calendar

Now lets see Bangladesh:

Bangladesh Foreign Direct Investment | 2002-2015 | Data | Chart | Calendar

1.5 billion USD for the entire 2014....and its dropping from the last year.

And you are expecting anyone to believe that Bangladesh is growing at 8% if Bangladesh says so? LOL. Dont damage your JUNK credit rating (not investment grade like India) anymore than you need to Mr Lungi.

List of countries by credit rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We are only going to keep pulling away from you (you should be growing faster than us since you are poorer by far):

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

The final result is quite telling:

RfQ0Pm9.jpg


India was 3% of the world economy in 1980, Bangladesh was 0.32%. So we were about 10 times more significant.

By 2020 India is predicted to be 8.5% of the world economy, Bangladesh will be 0.59%. In 2020 we will be 14 times more significant than you (and also factor our population is a little more than 7 times yours only)....and that significance number will only keep increasing....considering the vast chasms between the two countries in education levels + absolute poverty (which determines how many have crossed into the threshold of low income but aspiring to be middle class). Basically we nearly tripled in world economic impact in 40 years, while you only doubled....and that too we did it from a much higher per capita income base....and lower poverty.

Poverty & Equity Data | India | The World Bank - 21.3% absolute poor in 2011

Poverty & Equity Data | Bangladesh | The World Bank - 43.7% absolute poor in 2010

And Indias figure may be a lot lower in 2011:

http://pubdocs.worldbank.org/pubdoc...09701443800596288/PRN03-Oct2015-TwinGoals.pdf

Box 2 page 12, World Bank accepts Indian absolute poverty rate may have been as low as 12.4%.

Education comparison:

Pakistan, ISI "biggest threat" to India & Bangladesh : Bangladesh diplomat | Page 6

You are simply nowhere near the same league as us. You don't need to be so butthurt about that.

Blah blah blah.. Modi's number game...
We would like to see things on the ground not the number..
Get some tips from Mr. Vivek Koul...
 
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so it mean's at the end of 2018 we can have that 2% additional growth rate ,as much of energy crisis would be sorted out by that time... ??? secondly we can have some 2% improvement in growth rate due to improvement in security issues. so it mean's in 2019 we will have 8-8.5% gdp growth rate ????????????

If all goes to plan (which rarely happens in my experience). There is lots of latent potential within Pakistan...even with its sub par education levels. It should be growing at least 6 - 7% right now.

Modi's number game...

So even FDI is magical MODI created numbers? Investment that is coming from outside India?

From: unctad.org | India leads regional foreign direct investment as inflows to South Asia rise by 16 per cent in 2014

India got 34 billion USD in 2014 alone . Bangladesh received 1.5 billion USD (rounded to 2)

Want to know what Bangladesh has received in its entire history?

About 9.3 billion USD (as of 2014). The figure for India was 252 billion USD.

Want to know how much Bangladesh has invested in other countries in its total history?

About 130 million USD. (Chump change less than a dollar per bangladeshi)

Figure for India was almost 130 BILLION USD. About 1000 times more than Bangladesh.

Its all from UNCTAD:

Just select Bangladesh at their site and see for yourself:

C2xoi3A.jpg


Compare all of this knowing we have only 7 times the number of people and 22 times the land size approximately.

But you are welcome to keep whining its all Modi Magic :lol:

Reference: unctad.org | Country Fact Sheets 2015
 
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If all goes to plan (which rarely happens in my experience). There is lots of latent potential within Pakistan...even with its sub par education levels. It should be growing at least 6 - 7% right now.



So even FDI is magical MODI created numbers? Investment that is coming from outside India?

From: unctad.org | India leads regional foreign direct investment as inflows to South Asia rise by 16 per cent in 2014

India got 34 billion USD in 2014 alone . Bangladesh received 1.5 billion USD (rounded to 2)

Want to know what Bangladesh has received in its entire history?

About 9.3 billion USD (as of 2014). The figure for India was 252 billion USD.

Want to know how much Bangladesh has invested in other countries in its total history?

About 130 million USD. (Chump change less than a dollar per bangladeshi)

Figure for India was almost 130 BILLION USD. About 1000 times more than Bangladesh.

Its all from UNCTAD:

Just select Bangladesh at their site and see for yourself:

C2xoi3A.jpg


Compare all of this knowing we have only 7 times the number of people and 22 times the land size approximately.

But you are welcome to keep whining its all Modi Magic :lol:

Reference: unctad.org | Country Fact Sheets 2015

Again Number??? :)

We want to see more people having meal on the table, more sanitation, more clothe wearing populace, more medication etc etc.
You can fudge number but cant fudge food or clothing even how healthy you look.

Please refer to Mr. Vivek Kouli
 
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10%? How do you think you can get a growth rate of 10%?
Its easy honestly, our average GDP growth rate was 7% before war on terrorism. Pakistan is the only country in our region to have never experienced negative growth rate. Terrorism is near-dead, Crime and corruption have dropped and CPEC is underway along with other billions of dollars in investment projects from China and ME.

You forgot improving education and human capital skills. That is the key fundamental requirement above all else. If you have just what you are saying you are not going to reach even 7% (real) growth.

Take a look at the situation as it exists now:

Pakistan, ISI "biggest threat" to India & Bangladesh : Bangladesh diplomat | Page 6

It makes for a somber scenario.
7% is really easy for us- and we'll be reaching there in a year or two. Our Capita was higher than India before war on Terrorism and even our average GDP growth rate was 7% before war on terrorism and reached a peak of 11% during military rule - despite the education and literacy rate being significantly low compared to today.
 
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We want to see more people having meal on the table, more sanitation, more clothe wearing populace, more medication etc etc.

Same goes for your country. Can you prove anything by pictures alone? At some point its numbers collected by surveys or measured in some fashion. You cannot say numbers prove Bangladesh, but only absolute pictures prove it for India.

If you are humiliated by how bad Bangladesh looks compared to India in the eyes of the world (because numbers regarding economy and investment are what ultimately have the final say on global impact of a country)....then that is simply your feeling. Don't project your insecurity and butthurt onto us.

If you want pictures of India realising its development, visit the India Developing, but still a long way to go thread.
 
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In almost everything.Infact if we stretch the History of Pakistan region than it was one of the most successful region in the world.This is the reason i tell kids to read history,read history of your ancestors.

Pakistan will lead this region in almost everything be it economy,military,technology etc.For more detail please read the history of Pakistan

History of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well ofcourse pakistan today is not what it was in the past but what is the importance of let say present day Pakistan with respect to its 8000 years old history?500 years from now,people will remember Pakistan with its 8500 years old history not the present few decades or century.



The numbers for Pakistan are not entirely true because they are not updated.this 55-58% number is circulated in internet when i was in school and back than i remember india's literacy was also quoted in late 60's.

census is due next year,so we will get the real number in the next 6 months
Honestly i've been all over Pakistan and i've never seen someone that is illiterate - i think it means illiterate in English and not in Urdu.

Not bad.
How reliable is Pakistan's GDP data?
30-40% of our Economy is unrecorded- meaning we can have a growth rate of 8% right now. Infact, we grew from 232 to 270 this year, which is a higher growth % than 9.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Anyways ADB says in the same report India will grow at 7.4% that is nearly 3% more than Pakistan despite having a much larger GDP.

ADB keeps India's growth forecast unchanged at 7.4 per cent this year - The Economic Times
Yes, but we grew 4.5% despite fighting a fullscale war, that has cost us 80 billion dollars and 60,000 lives. Now that the smoke is settling imagine our potention - we grew 9% this year.
 
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Just use Modi magic in calculating new GDP method.


You can do that only by huge borrowing from WB and other lending agencies, selling bonds, FDI. For shorter term at least. In longer term to become bankrupt.
Don't try to use that pea nut sized brain of yours lungi,you're not only embarrassing yourself but also your entire lungi community in an international forum:coffee:!!
 
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7% is really easy for us- and we'll be reaching there in a year or two.

Seriously doubt that. But lets wait and see.

Our Capita was higher than India before war on Terrorism

That was the legacy of decades of slower growth in India in the cold war. But the faster growth in India started in the 90s and now it will soon be adding an entire Pakistan GDP every year. Pakistans growth never really took off in the same way.

Looking at:

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

From 1990 to 2015, India's real growth was about 4.9 times. That comes to about 6.6% per year.

In the same period, Pakistan real growth was about 2.9 times. That comes to about 4.4% per year.

The average real growth has not really changed much for Pakistan in this era. From 1990 to 2000 it was about 4.4% per year.

From 2000 to 2010, it was about 4.5%.

From 2010 to 2015, it was about 3.9%.


For India the numbers split by these eras are:

1990 - 2000: 5.6%

2000 - 2010: 7.5%

2010 - 2015: 6.6%

The average yearly real growth projections for 2015 - 2020 are:

Pakistan: 4.9%

India: 7.6%

Also the education levels have not changed so much for Pakistan if you look at the UNESCO UIS statistics comparing what they were in the 90s, 2000s and this decade....whereas rest of South Asia has marched ahead at a faster pace (and they were already somewhat higher in the 90s to begin with compared to Pakistan).

The literacy rate in Pakistan may even be dropping which is a shocking phenomenon (measured by official PBS survey recently):

2013-14 report: Literacy rate slips nationwide by 2% - The Express Tribune

Honestly i've been all over Pakistan and i've never seen someone that is illiterate - i think it means illiterate in English and not in Urdu.

No illiteracy means you cannot read and write even one language - whatever it is. Proper English literacy would be much much lower than this figure of 58%.
 
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Same goes for your country. Can you prove anything by pictures alone? At some point its numbers collected by surveys or measured in some fashion. You cannot say numbers prove Bangladesh, but only absolute pictures prove it for India.

If you are humiliated by how bad Bangladesh looks compared to India in the eyes of the world (because numbers regarding economy and investment are what ultimately have the final say on global impact of a country)....then that is simply your feeling. Don't project your insecurity and butthurt onto us.

If you want pictures of India realising its development, visit the India Developing, but still a long way to go thread.

BD is a small country and not a superpowa wet dreamer. So people dont ridicule us. We are trying our best.
Wereas India means :jester:
 
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In almost everything.Infact if we stretch the History of Pakistan region than it was one of the most successful region in the world.This is the reason i tell kids to read history,read history of your ancestors.

Pakistan will lead this region in almost everything be it economy,military,technology etc.For more detail please read the history of Pakistan

History of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I thought you would have something more tangible than this.....
 
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