Pakistan's first sovereign debt default

[Lonely Hermit]

Mate my argument is that democracy is not the best form of governance for Pakistan until we educate our masses. In any event I think PPP only got 3 million votes

What other alternative do you have that some sort of dictatorial form of govt where the person is not accountable to it's people.
It takes time for a democracy to mature even in India democracy is not mature there is term we use here called vote bank politics which is same as the british divide and rule.

For democracy to mature it is civil society duty to come forward and take part in politics why don't like minded Pakistanis form a political party and dislodge these goons.

 

[AMRITSAR]

Maybe this is a good time to renegotiate those contracts that were obtained with exceptionally high rates by paying bribes to previous governments.

Corruption is every were in each country either it a developed country,developing but the poor country and developing countries people pays more price for corruption than developed nation.

 

[lem34]

What other alternative do you have that some sort of dictatorial form of govt where the person is not accountable to it's people.
It takes time for a democracy to mature even in India democracy is not mature there is term we use here called vote bank politics which is same as the british divide and rule.

For democracy to mature it is civil society duty to come forward and take part in politics why don't like minded Pakistanis form a political party and dislodge these goons.

It will take too long. We need some blood letting to stop others from looting from the country now

 

[fd24]

Lets have a think - this is a little of what Zardari has amalgamated as his personal wealth - where has it come from??

ZARDARI’S LOCAL ASSETS

1. Plot no. 121, Phase VIII, DHA Karachi.

2. Agricultural land situated in Deh Dali Wadi, Taluka, Tando Allah Yar.

3. Agricultural property located in Deh Tahooki Taluka, District Hyderabad measuring 65.15 acres.

4. Agricultural land falling in Deh 76-Nusrat, Taluka, District Nawabshah measuring 827.14 acres

5. Agricultural land situated in Deh 76-Nusrat, Taluka, District Nawabshah measuring 293.18 acres

6. Residential plot No 3 (Now House) Block No B-I, City Survey No 2268 Ward-A Nawabshah

7. Huma Heights (Asif Apartments) 133, Depot Lines, Commissariat Road, Karachi

8. Trade Tower Building 3/CL/V Abdullah Haroon Road, Karachi

9. House No 8, St 9, F-8/2, Islamabad

10. Agricultural land in Deh 42 Dad Taluka/ District Nawabshah

11. Agricultural land in Deh 51 Dad Taluka Distt Nawabshah

12. Plot No 3 & 4 Sikni (residential) Near Housing Society Ltd. Nawabshah

13. CafT Sheraz (C.S No.. 2231/2 & 2231/3) Nawabshah

14. Agricultural land in Deh 23-Deh Taluka & District Nawabshah

15. Agricultural property in Deh 72-A, Nusrat Taluka, Nawabshah

16. Agricultural land in Deh 76-Nusrat Taluka, Nawabshah

17. Plot No. A/136 Survey No 2346 Ward A Government Employee’s Cooperative Housing Society Ltd, Nawabshah

18. Agricultural land in Deh Jaryoon Taluka Tando Allah Yar, Distt. Hyderabad

19. Agricultural land in Deh Aroro Taluka Tando Allah Yar, Distt. Hyderabad

20. Agricultural land in Deh Nondani Taluka Tando Allah Yar, Distt. Hyderabad

21. Agricultural land in Deh Lotko Taluka Tando Allah Yar, Distt. Hyderabad

22. Agricultural land in Deh Jhol Taluka Tando Allah Yar, Distt. Hyderabad

23. Agricultural land in Deh Kandari Taluka Tando Allah Yar, Distt. Hyderabad

24. Agricultural land in Deh Deghi Taluka Tando Mohammad Khan

25. Agricultural land in Deh Rahooki Taluka, Hyderabad

26. Property in Deh Charo Taluka, Badin

27. Agricultural property in Deh Dali Wadi Taluka, Hyderabad

28. Five acres prime land allotted by DG KDA in 1995/96

29. 4,000 kanals on Simli Dam

30. 80 acres of land at Hawkes Bay

31. 13 acres of land at Maj Gulradi (KPT Land)

32. One acre plot, GCI, Clifton

33. One acre of land, State Life (International Center, Sadar)

34. FEBCs worth Rs. 4 million

SHARES IN SUGAR MILLS INCLUDE

1. Sakrand Sugar Mills Nawabshah

2. Ansari Sugar

3. Mills Hyderabad

4. Mirza Sugar Mills Badin

5. Pangrio Sugar Mills Thatta

6. Bachani Sugar Mills Sanghar

FRONT COMPANIES IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES

1. Bomer Fiannce Inc, British Virgin Islands

2. Mariston Securities Inc, British Virgin Islands

3. Marleton Business S A, British Virgin Islands

4. Capricorn Trading S A, British Virgin Islands

5. Fagarita Consulting INc, British Virgin Islands

6. Marvil Associated Inc, British Virgin Islands

7. Pawnbury Finance Ltd, British Virgin Islands

8. Oxton Trading Limited, British Virgin Islands

9. Brinslen Invest S A, British Virgin Islands

10. Chimitex Holding S A, British Virgin Islands

11. Elkins Holding S A, British Virgin Islands

12. Minister Invest Ltd, British Virgin Islands

13. Silvernut Investment Inc, British Virgin Islands

14. Tacolen Investment Ltd, British Virgin Islands

15. Marlcrdon Invest S A, British Virgin Islands

16. Dustan Trading Inc, British Virgin Islands

17. Reconstruction and Development Finance Inc, British Virgin Islands

18. Nassam Alexander Inc.

19. Westminster Securities Inc.

20. Laptworth Investment Inc 202, Saint Martin Drive, West Jacksonville

21. Intra Foods Inc. 3376, Lomrel Grove, Jacksonville, Florida

22. Dynatel Trading Co, Florida

23. A..S Realty Inc. Palm Beach Gardens Florida

24. Bon Voyage Travel Consultancy Inc, Florida

ZARDARI’S PROPERTIES IN UK

1. 355 acre Rockwood Estate, Surrey (Now stands admitted)

2. Flat 6, 11 Queensgate Terrace, London SW7

3. 26 Palace Mansions, Hammersmith Road, London W14

4. 27 Pont Street, London, SW1

5. 20 Wilton Crescent, London SW1

6. 23 Lord Chancellor Walk, Coombe Hill, Kingston, Surrey

7. The Mansion, Warren Lane, West Hampstead, London

8. A flat at Queensgate Terrace, London

9. Houses at Hammersmith Road, Wilton Crescent, Kingston and in Hampstead.

ZARDARI’S PROPERTIES IN BELGIUM

1. 12-3 Boulevard De-Nieuport, 1000, Brussels, (Building containing 4 shops and 2 large apartments)

2. Chausee De-Mons, 1670, Brussels

ZARDARI’S PROPERTIES IN FRANCE

1. La Manoir De La Reine Blanche and property in Cannes

ZARDARI’S PROPERTIES IN USA, in the name of Asif Zardari and managed by Shimmy Qureshi, are:

1. Stud farm in Texas

2. Wellington Club East, West Palm Beach

3. 12165 West Forest Hills, Florida

4. Escue Farm 13,524 India Mound, West Palm Beach

5. 3,220 Santa Barbara Drive, Wellington Florida

6. 13,254 Polo Club Road, West Palm Beach Florida

7. 3,000 North Ocean Drive, Singer Islands, Florida

8. 525 South Flager Driver, West Palm Beach, Florida

9. Holiday Inn Houston Owned by Asif Ali Zardari, Iqbal Memon and Sadar-ud-Din Hashwani

ZARDARI’S BANK ACCOUNTS IN FOREGN COMPANIES

1. Union Bank of Switzerland (Account No. 552.343, 257.556.60Q, 433.142.60V, 216.393.60T)

2. Citibank Private Limited (SWZ) (Account No. 342034)

3. Citibank N A Dubai (Account No. 818097)

4. Barclays Bank (Suisse) (Account No. 62290209)

5. Barclays Bank (Suisse) (Account No. 62274400)

6. Banque Centrade Ormard Burrus S A

7. Banque Pache S A

8. Banque Pictet & Cie

9. Banque La Henin, Paris (Account No. 00101953552)

10. Bank Natinede Paris in Geneva (Account NO.. 563.726.9)

11. Swiss Bank Corporation

12. Chase Manhattan Bank Switzerland

13. American Express Bank Switzerland

14. Societe De Banque Swissee

15. Barclays Bank (Knightsbridge Branch) (Account No. 90991473)

16. Barclays Bank, Kingston and Chelsea Branch, (Sort Code 20-47-34135)

17. National Westminster Bank, Alwych Branch (Account No. 9683230)

18. Habib Bank (Pall Mall Branch).

19. National Westminster Bank, Barking Branch, (Account No. 28558999).

20. Habib Bank AG, Moorgate, London EC2

21. National Westminster Bank, Edgware Road, London

22. Banque Financiei E Dela Citee, Credit Suisse

23. Habib Bank AG Zurich, Switzerland

24. Pictet Et Cie, Geneva

25. Credit Agricole, Paris

26. Credit Agridolf, Branch 11, Place Brevier, 76440, Forges Les Faux

27. Credit Agricole, Branch Haute – Normandie, 76230, Boise Chillaum

Now - tell me was his father blessed and passed it onto him or is he a thieving begerath? I will let you guys decide?

 

[lem34]

The problem we have is how can we expect Zardari to take affirmative action against Americans? If he did something in Pakistani interests with which they did not agree they will simply find an excuse to confiscate his property

Now - tell me was his father blessed and passed it onto him or is he a thieving begerath? I will let you guys decide?[/COLOR]

Is father was not in this league of money he just owned a cinema I think in Karachi

 

[Sonic_boom]

No surprises here

 

[Dr. NooB NinjA]

^^^ And this is the declared property of Mr. President??!! Thats just mind blowing..!!! No accountability what so ever is it??!!

 

[King Solomon]

Now - tell me was his father blessed and passed it onto him or is he a thieving begerath? I will let you guys decide?

Goodness! Is that for real??

 

[Zeeshan360]

Dammit ... I want those properties

 

[fd24]

Goodness! Is that for real??

Firstly don't quote me as i don't know how accurate it is. Ive just entered 2 of the properties that are listed and they seem to owned by the same company -off shore in the Cayman Islands and guess what? He owns the company Minister Investments Ltd! I don't know how accurate it is but its a start. Also note there is obviously no account balance shown in his banks but i dread to think what the amounts are as im sure they wont be chicken feed! Now i see one of the reasons why our coffers are empty.
Is someone ever going to bring him to account?

 

[Jango]

... Strong harsh decisions need to be made and they will need patience. To change the economy from where it is could take 4 to 8 years.

That is what is needed. Strong harsh , but good decisions.

You may say a kind of a dictator, but a good one, who does everthing nicely, and anybody who is anti-state should be dealt with, forget about the media and everything. An authoritarian might be a better word IMO.

But we don't get good dictators do we?

 

[miss]

Maybe this is a good time to renegotiate those contracts that were obtained with exceptionally high rates by paying bribes to previous governments.

Haha ain't gonna happen. You will get penalized so badly that even china won't come near you..

 

[Speaker]

See this is the saza that we as a nation all deserve for allowing PPP to come into power.

It is interesting you say that, but do we have definitive proof that Imran Khan will win in 2013 after all? There is an opinion poll on on this forum and many seem to think so. But this barely makes up a tenth of the percent of people who will be casting their votes next year. I saw a video that Zakii had posted showing PTI was in the majority in KP, but it also showed PPP with more than 40% predicted (in Islamabad I think). How can this be explained, and if true, what chances that the same people might not return to power?

Haha ain't gonna happen. You will get penalized so badly that even china won't come near you..

What does China have to do with this topic?

 

[shining eyes]

Congratulations!! to Pakistan for another achievement under this government!

 

[fd24]

That is what is needed. Strong harsh , but good decisions.

You may say a kind of a dictator, but a good one, who does everthing nicely, and anybody who is anti-state should be dealt with, forget about the media and everything. An authoritarian might be a better word IMO.

But we don't get good dictators do we?

Due to the ignoramus decisions made by our appointed leaders perhaps a "dictator" is needed. Brother i wish there was such a thing as "good dictator" or do "everything nicely" - doesn't exist. Decisions that need to be made will not suit everybody and those it doesn't suit will make noises but that's life. The decisions have simply got to be in the national interests and not done for a popularity boost for the orchestrator.