Pakistan's Economy: The Tax Net

[shah_123]

You are not force to buy card, mobile etc. Those are for your use. Dont use dont pay whats wrong with that. Even in dubai they have GST now.

I think he simply told you that he pay Taxes.
Yes even in Dubai they have gst NOW, what about all those years they didn't?

 

[AZ1]

I think he simply told you that he pay Taxes.
Yes even in Dubai they have gst NOW, what about all those years they didn't?

Yes he did and hide behind not returning tax file or get register and declare assets I even let Pass though.

What kind of argument is this I pay taxes on mobile card? You can get.it.back become filer and ask for refund for all types.of non filer high taxes he has paid. But ofcourse then he has to show all his assets declare.

 

[shah_123]

im a salaried guy

pay income tax at source

i pay 20 percent gain taxes on stocks ( which are at a loss for a year )

i pay taxes on everything , even on mobile cards


what else you want me to do ? take my pants down for shabbar ?

Shabbar won't be satisfied even if you take your pants down --- Shabbars, Baqirs are here just to collect money for IMF (your pant or underwear goes up down, they don't care)

They just want to squeeze people's wealth without fixing the system.--- No matter how much tax money you pour in the system, unless you fix the leaks, it won't work.

And frankly, why would the ruling elite fix the system, this system is like a golden sparrow for them.-- More tax money, more Ayashis for the elite.

 

[AZ1]

Shabbar won't be satisfied even if you take your pants down --- Shabbars, Baqirs are here just to collect money for IMF (your pant or underwear goes up down, they don't care)

They just want to squeeze people's wealth without fixing the system.--- No matter how much tax money you pour in the system, unless you fix the leaks, it won't work.

And frankly, why would the ruling elite fix the system, this system is like a golden sparrow for them.-- More tax money, more Ayashis for the elite.

Blah blah check their tax return of elite too they are paying tax in a year which you have paid your whole life on income.

Just hide yourself from duty by calling middle.class even though you have more than 50% of all those luxuries which elite class are having. Start from your own house, plots, cars,Ac etc.

Corrupt guy us not paying doesnt mean u hecome corrupt too.

We all have to pay our shares. Dont know what this thinking paying card taxes we all do the same.

 

[shah_123]

Yes he did and hide behind not returning tax file or get register and declare assets I even let Pass though.

What kind of argument is this I pay taxes on mobile card? You can get.it.back become filer and ask for refund for all types.of non filer high taxes he has paid. But ofcourse then he has to show all his assets declare.

Salaried people taxes are deducted at source (filing return is another issue), at least they pay taxes.--- How much taxes our service sector (doctors/lawyers) pay, what steps govt has taken to bring them under tax net. ---- What I have seen is that govt instead pays tax payers money to bars to bring them on their side.

Regarding filing returns, I don't get this system, if your taxes are deducted (against CNIC), why file a separate return yearly.--- if the argument is to declare assets, I say the assets are already declared.--- I buy land against cnic, I purchase house against cnic, I buy car against cnic, my bank accounts are in my cnic, so what's the hidden thing?

Our stupid rulers should quit cut copy paste mentality.--- for once device made in Pakistan system keeping in view our local culture/customs.---- Make it easy for the people, everything is computerized now, all the information about someone should be just one click away.

And the refund, you really believe that our govts always doing rona dhona for money will refund money, LoL.

Blah blah check their tax return of elite too they are paying tax in a year which you have paid your whole life on income.

Just hide yourself from duty by calling middle.class even though you have more than 50% of all those luxuries which elite class are having. Start from your own house, plots, cars,Ac etc.

Corrupt guy us not paying doesnt mean u hecome corrupt too.

We all have to pay our shares. Dont know what this thinking paying card taxes we all do the same.

They pay more because they earn more, I think this was very simple.---- okay, if you believe that elite class pay taxes, post tax returns of top bureaucracy, lawyers, doctors, media houses etc., let's see how much taxes they pay and list of their assets.

 

[AZ1]

Salaried people taxes are deducted at source (filing return is another issue), at least they pay taxes.--- How much taxes our service sector (doctors/lawyers) pay, what steps govt has taken to bring them under tax net. ---- What I have seen is that govt instead pays tax payers money to bars to bring them on their side.

Regarding filing returns, I don't get this system, if your taxes are deducted (against CNIC), why file a separate return yearly.--- if the argument is to declare assets, I say the assets are already declared.--- I buy land against cnic, I purchase house against cnic, I buy car against cnic, my bank accounts are in my cnic, so what's the hidden thing?

Our stupid rulers should quit cut copy paste mentality.--- for once device made in Pakistan system keeping in view our local culture/customs.---- Make it easy for the people, everything is computerized now, all the information about someone should be just one click away.

And the refund, you really believe that our govts always doing rona dhona for money will refund money, LoL.


They pay more because they earn more, I think this was very simple.---- okay, if you believe that elite class pay taxes, post tax returns of top bureaucracy, lawyers, doctors, media houses etc., let's see how much taxes they pay and list of their assets.

They are filer or not can be seen on fbr website If you think someone is.not paying they will be caught one day or another.

By the way all these you named are also paying taxes on mobile card etc. You do your duty ir join fbr yourself and take action looks like you are just try to find ways for not paying income taxes and give justification for it. What is the definition of corruption here?

They earn more or you earn less whose fault is this? Thing is they are paying more way more I know its hard on ppl but this is what people wantrd democracy. They were not happy with musharsf, not happy with zardar, not happy with nawaz and now with imran.



I know a guy he's fill the form of refund and getting deduction on income taxes he filled form for every tax for refund. How one would know without submitting the refund form? Call fbr for it.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

I stopped reading after point number 2 which states that 80k out of 95k Sindh Government employees do not file their tax returns. Please understand that 'NOT FILING TAX RETURNS' is not a problem, really, because the tax of these and all other Government officers is deducted at source. All those who are in employment have their tax deducted at source; filing returns is generally done to claim some tax return but since nobody expects FBR to return any tax claims, nobody bothers to file returns. Basically, not filing a tax return is equal to not bothering to claim any tax benefit that one may be eligible for after paying all their due taxes.

Another point that I have now noticed is:

• Recent data collected by FBR and NADRA shows there are 53 million people who own property worth of billions but they pay no tax.

How is this possible? How can 53 Million people own properties worth Billions? And since it appears to be an accumulative amount, what is the point of including people who own properties which are not worth paying taxes over?

FBR asks 76,000 Sindh govt officials to pay income tax by August 2
BY AFTAB CHANNA , (LAST UPDATED JULY 17, 2019)

KARACHI: With an aim to enhance revenue generation and bring non-filers into the tax net, the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) has instructed at least 76,000 officials working with various departments of the Sindh government to pay their income taxes by August 2, 2019, Pakistan Today has learnt.

According to well-placed sources, there are more than 93,000 officials of the Sindh government working in different departments and drawing monthly salaries from the Sindh accountant general.

In this regard, FBR Inland Revenue Commissioner Atif Ali has written a letter to Sindh Chief Secretary Mumtaz Ali Shah to ensure compliance on the filing of tax returns by the said officials.

“Your kind attention is invited to the fact that this office obtained data of employees working in Sindh Government from the Accountant General. According to the data, around 93,000 employees are earning taxable salaries while only 17,000 are filing income returns”, the letter states, a copy of which is available with Pakistan Today.

“Section 114 of Income Tax Ordinance, 2001 requires every individual earning a taxable income to furnish his/her tax returns, but it has been noted that most of the employees remain complacent on the plea that there has been deducted on salary, so the filing of return is not mandatory, which is a misconception. It is also noted with concern that even BS-20 officers are not filing their return. You are therefore requested to issue directions to all officer/officials working under your control to fulfill their legal obligation by the filing of return of income for Tax Year 2018,” the letter further states.

“Kindly note that last date for filing tax returns for the year 2018 has been extended to August 2, 2019. This office shall be pleased to provide facilitation/technical assistance for online filing of returns by employees of Sindh government”, the letter concludes.

Recent data collected by FBR and NADRA shows there are 53 million people who own property worth of billions but they pay no tax.

FBR, NADRA create web-portals to make asset data of 53 million people online

ISLAMABAD: The government on Friday launched two web-portals, containing information about the assets of around 53 million people, with an objective to facilitate citizens to know about what of their data was available with the government and make corrections accordingly if required.

This was stated by State Minister for Revenue, Hammad Azhar and Chairman Federal Board of Revenue (FBR), Syed Shabbar Zaid while addressing a press conference here.

Another point that I have now noticed is:

• Recent data collected by FBR and NADRA shows there are 53 million people who own property worth of billions but they pay no tax.

How is this possible? How can 53 Million people own properties worth Billions? And since it appears to be an accumulative amount, what is the point of including people who own properties which are not worth paying taxes over?[/QUOTE]

Top officials from FBR and National Database & Registration Authority (NADRA) were also present on the occasion.

Hammad Azhad congratulated FBR for being successful in data integration process, which he said the past governments had failed despite tall claims during the past decade.

He said that it was initial data and would be enriched with the passage of time, adding that currently the data was based on property, bank accounts, utility bills, travels while the FBR had also done plaza mapping to data collection.

Speaking on the occasion, Shabbar Zaidi, however clarified that this information would not be base for any tax assessment as its main objective was to inform the people what of their asset information was available with the government so that they may correct their information.

“The Information has nothing to do with taxability,” he clarified.

The Chairman said that the portal would be helpful for people as they might know what information was available with the government and could correct their return filing data if incorrect.

Secondly, he asserted, it had been made fully secure and no other person can access information, adding that if needed, the security could be further enhanced.

The ultimate objective of the portals is to bridge the gap and provide information to the people at their doorsteps, he added.

The portals are foolproof and only genuine individual could access his/her personal asset information as the questions to be generated by the system would be based on the personal information of the individual, he added.

He said the information available on both the portals—one created by NADRA and another by the FBR itself— could be obtained by following the login process and after replying to some system generated questions.

The NADRA portal could be accessed by paying fees of Rs 500 however, the FBR portal could be accessed by sending individual CNIC No to 9966, after which a system based code would be generated and sent on the mobile phone of the user which could be utilized for accessing the FBR portal.

He said that this was initial information that had been put on the portal and the NADRA and FBR would keep on updating it.

He said that the FBR website had been made simple and was developed keeping in mind the low literacy rate.

In addition, the portal is centralized to reduce human intervention and ensure that nobody could temper or misuse it.

Information of both filers and non-filers would be available on portals.

To a question, he said that the last date of Asset Declaration Scheme would not be extended as Pakistan was going to enter into International Monetary Fund (IMF) programme, the board of which is scheduled to meet on July 3 to consider three-year Extended Fund Facility Programme.

To another question, the Chairman said that FBR did not write letters to the bank account holders having over 0.5 million amount in their accounts and clarified that the banks at their own had written letter to trace out Benami Accounts.

 

[AHMED85]

In general observation IK want everyone as a tax filer in this country but his own party workers are non filer, indeed they also participated in general trades boycott. [emoji23]

One good question I have listened from public is

Why we becomes a filer, we don't have facilities like social security etc,

And leaders took our money & no one brought it back.

Our money is going to luxury life of leadership & adjusted in their banks accounts.

So every Politician doing said job & fake promise.

I have no answer for this because they said what is right.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

we have barely 300 companies max in PSX .

Kindly listen from 12:40 what FBR chairman saying about the registered companies in PSX.

 

[Mav3rick]

FBR asks 76,000 Sindh govt officials to pay income tax by August 2


FBR, NADRA create web-portals to make asset data of 53 million people online

I do not understand the purpose of your post.

The first article endorses my claim that tax of ALL Government employees is deducted at source and submitted to FBR and that all FBR wants is for them to file tax returns.

The second article further clears my confusion and targets every property owner in Pakistan, i.e. 53 Million or thereabouts.

 

[blueazure]

You are not force to buy card, mobile etc. Those are for your use.

WTF

 

[1Paki$tani]

Retail sector also include mom and pop shops. What do you expect them to make to take a cut in taxes?

I have seen corner shops in village turn over 60k+ per month. this is just selling small things, phone cards, vegetable etc.

I also know many fish farms (25 acres +) in good area (good survival rates) can make profit of 2-3 million rupee per year. Yet they pay 0 taxes.

 

[shah_123]

I have seen corner shops in village turn over 60k+ per month. this is just selling small things, phone cards, vegetable etc. Total tax paid RS0

I also know many fish farms (25 acres +) in good area (good survival rates) can make profit of 2-3 million rupee per year. Yet they pay 0 taxes.

How much net profit with turn over 60k+ per month?

 

[1Paki$tani]

How much net profit with turn over 60k+ per month?

Perhaps in a village not much or would be close to lower bracket of threshold. I guess i should take tax paid part out.

But my actual purpose of that was to show that if a corner shop in village has a capacity to make 60+k a month than many shops in commercial areas have capacity to make a lot more thus should be able to pay taxes even if they are mom and pop shops.

 

[blueazure]

Shabbar won't be satisfied even if you take your pants down --- Shabbars, Baqirs are here just to collect money for IMF (your pant or underwear goes up down, they don't care)

They just want to squeeze people's wealth without fixing the system.--- No matter how much tax money you pour in the system, unless you fix the leaks, it won't work.

And frankly, why would the ruling elite fix the system, this system is like a golden sparrow for them.-- More tax money, more Ayashis for the elite.

taxation is basically modern serfdom.cant have people in chains or work on plantations , so its rather convenient to have them in white shirts work 9-5 . the money in your pocket is basically worthless paper backed by zero and a 'cut' taken by govt in the form of income tax .

debt slaves ,, nothing more

ever visit a govt hospital ? or a police station . you will know where the tax money is spent and then ppl abuse you on this board for being tax thieves

i spit on the system

some modern anarchists like jeff berwick even call inflation as tax aka govt theft..

imagine, you have 1 crore in PKR cash in jan 2019, its buying worth is now 60 lacs thanks to devaluation .

where did the 4 million go ?