Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Rafi]

can u tell us about a100e mlrs are we producing them home ......?

Process has started, we might also manufacture Chinese wheel based self propelled howitzer, artillery is going from strength to strength.

 

[Areesh]

It is being made in Wah, brother it is awesome - we are making cargo rounds with sub munitions that can wipe out a whole column in this we are streets ahead of the indians.

Rafi. Please share some info about this Pak-Korea artillery gun.

 

[Rafi]

Rafi. Please share some info about this Pak-Korea artillery gun.

Army includes Cargo, includes advanced CARGO rounds, (shells that deploy sub-munitions, that destroy massed armor and infantry.)

 

[Perceptron]

Pakistan Pushes Artillery Upgrade Program

By Usman Ansari
Published: 10 October 2011
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ISLAMABAD - Pakistan is consolidating its howitzer inventory around the 155mm round and increasing its MRLS fleet as it strives to boost the lethality of its artillery against India.

Brian Cloughley, former Australian defense attaché to Islamabad and South Asia analyst, said the Army has been modernizing its artillery in recent years as it plans to increase fully mechanized formations.

"There was no apocalyptic moment; it came about because of a normal reassessment of tactics and strategy consistent with the doctrine of 'hold and strike.' For rapid, if deliberately limited, advance, [self propelled] artillery is vital," Cloughley said.

The main acquisitions are at least 297 M-109A5 155mm self-propelled howitzers that have been supplied since 2007 under a $56 million deal made in 2006, and local production of the Turkish MKEK Panter towed 155mm howitzers, by Heavy Industries Taxila's Heavy Mechanical Complex, after 12 were delivered for evaluation in 2007.

Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said the 155mm Panter howitzer has been a substantial improvement over existing guns.

He cites a combination of the Turkish Panter, with the American AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder and Chinese SLC-2 radars, as improving the accuracy of Pakistan's long-range artillery "under a variety of weather conditions at all ranges."

Cloughley highlights a mid-2008 deal with Nexter for the production of 155mm artillery rounds, plus the acquisition of 10 Turkish artillery simulators, which began to enter service with the School of Artillery in 2008 in this regard.

Investment also has been made in long-range MLRS capability. This included evaluation and then procurement of 36 Chinese AR1A/A100E 300mm MLRSs - first displayed to the public during last year's New Resolve military maneuvers.

"Even though [the Army has] a wide array of short-range ballistic missiles, it wanted a larger caliber long-range MRLS capable of firing smart submunitions," Khan said.

This led to the evaluation of the Chinese Wei Shi series of MRLS and signing of a contract with China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp. in 2009 to procure the NORINCO-developed 300mm MLRS, he said.

The system differs from previous Chinese 300mm MLRS types that were modeled on the Russian Smerch rocket artillery by having 10 instead of 12 tubes. However, the new arrangement of two five-tube pods allows for faster reloading.

Khan said the Army is "very pleased" with the system, and additional numbers are being procured. Having hitherto only imported the system, Khan said, the Army would like to shift to indigenous production.

While the Army is "reasonably satisfied with its artillery assets," Cloughley said, the artillery modernization program is ongoing and the Army wants "more, and better, equipment."

This could lead to a future order for about 90 NORINCO SH-1 155mm self-propelled howitzers, two of which were tested in 2008, he said.

Being a more deployable six-wheel-drive platform, the SH-1 could considerably boost the Army's ability to deter Indian aggression in Kashmir, where road improvements have been undertaken, Khan said.

The Army's artillery in Kashmir, especially in more remote locations, has been transported by helicopter and the ammunition by mule train. A wheeled, self-propelled howitzer would therefore be welcome, he said.

Further developments may also be forthcoming for rocket artillery. Cloughley said there is an indigenous MLRS program called Azar, which he said is "similar to the Chinese Type 81" 122mm MLRS. Pakistan's current 122mm Grad-type MLRS is an indigenously produced variant of the North Korean BM-11, and Pakistan Ordnance Factories has developed a high-explosive 122mm rocket called Yarmuk for the system.

Another area Cloughley cites that has not received much attention is the need for a self-propelled mortar system to equip the mechanized infantry formations and provide firepower to complement the self-propelled howitzers. Improving the self-propelled howitzer assets has been the primary goal, however, so little has been done to boost mortar capabilities. Ë

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Wonderful developments by Pakistan, where i have always felt that PA holds the upper-edge. Can you give me a general idea on the Artillery doctrine of PA ? How does Panther complement/supplement the MLRS Smerch derivatives ? Can someone compare and contrast the Range/CEP/Cyclical rate of both these systems ?

 

[Rafi]

Wonderful developments by Pakistan, where i have always felt that PA holds the upper-edge. Can you give me a general idea on the Artillery doctrine of PA ? How does Panther complement/supplement the MLRS Smerch derivatives ? Can someone compare and contrast the Range/CEP/Cyclical rate of both these systems ?

Perceptron - the MLRS - would engage installations and massed formations - whereas - the 155mm artillery would be used for more tactical purposes, another reason for Panter and SH-1 is the automation of these systems - means less soldiers can have more affect.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Azar System is under development?

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan Pushes Artillery Upgrade Program

By Usman Ansari
Published: 10 October 2011


ISLAMABAD - Pakistan is consolidating its howitzer inventory around the 155mm round and increasing its MRLS fleet as it strives to boost the lethality of its artillery against India.

Brian Cloughley, former Australian defense attaché to Islamabad and South Asia analyst, said the Army has been modernizing its artillery in recent years as it plans to increase fully mechanized formations.

"There was no apocalyptic moment; it came about because of a normal reassessment of tactics and strategy consistent with the doctrine of 'hold and strike.' For rapid, if deliberately limited, advance, [self propelled] artillery is vital," Cloughley said.

The main acquisitions are at least 297 M-109A5 155mm self-propelled howitzers that have been supplied since 2007 under a $56 million deal made in 2006, and local production of the Turkish MKEK Panter towed 155mm howitzers, by Heavy Industries Taxila's Heavy Mechanical Complex, after 12 were delivered for evaluation in 2007.

Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said the 155mm Panter howitzer has been a substantial improvement over existing guns.

He cites a combination of the Turkish Panter, with the American AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder and Chinese SLC-2 radars, as improving the accuracy of Pakistan's long-range artillery "under a variety of weather conditions at all ranges."

Cloughley highlights a mid-2008 deal with Nexter for the production of 155mm artillery rounds, plus the acquisition of 10 Turkish artillery simulators, which began to enter service with the School of Artillery in 2008 in this regard.

Investment also has been made in long-range MLRS capability. This included evaluation and then procurement of 36 Chinese AR1A/A100E 300mm MLRSs - first displayed to the public during last year's New Resolve military maneuvers.

"Even though [the Army has] a wide array of short-range ballistic missiles, it wanted a larger caliber long-range MRLS capable of firing smart submunitions," Khan said.

This led to the evaluation of the Chinese Wei Shi series of MRLS and signing of a contract with China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp. in 2009 to procure the NORINCO-developed 300mm MLRS, he said.

The system differs from previous Chinese 300mm MLRS types that were modeled on the Russian Smerch rocket artillery by having 10 instead of 12 tubes. However, the new arrangement of two five-tube pods allows for faster reloading.

Khan said the Army is "very pleased" with the system, and additional numbers are being procured. Having hitherto only imported the system, Khan said, the Army would like to shift to indigenous production.

While the Army is "reasonably satisfied with its artillery assets," Cloughley said, the artillery modernization program is ongoing and the Army wants "more, and better, equipment."

This could lead to a future order for about 90 NORINCO SH-1 155mm self-propelled howitzers, two of which were tested in 2008, he said.

Being a more deployable six-wheel-drive platform, the SH-1 could considerably boost the Army's ability to deter Indian aggression in Kashmir, where road improvements have been undertaken, Khan said.

The Army's artillery in Kashmir, especially in more remote locations, has been transported by helicopter and the ammunition by mule train. A wheeled, self-propelled howitzer would therefore be welcome, he said.

Further developments may also be forthcoming for rocket artillery. Cloughley said there is an indigenous MLRS program called Azar, which he said is "similar to the Chinese Type 81" 122mm MLRS. Pakistan's current 122mm Grad-type MLRS is an indigenously produced variant of the North Korean BM-11, and Pakistan Ordnance Factories has developed a high-explosive 122mm rocket called Yarmuk for the system.

Another area Cloughley cites that has not received much attention is the need for a self-propelled mortar system to equip the mechanized infantry formations and provide firepower to complement the self-propelled howitzers. Improving the self-propelled howitzer assets has been the primary goal, however, so little has been done to boost mortar capabilities. Ë

Email: uansari@defensenews.com.

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Army should go for more Chinees MRLS as well as Artillery

 

[Zarvan]

I love the artillery and frankly I see it one of the Big Five in any war. A must have. Good luck Pakistan on making your own Artillery guns and hopefully you will find a customer for it in us. That of course if we did not start making our own by then

Sir what Kind of Artillery Saudi Army uses by the way Has Pakistan already acquired SH-1 Guns or it is still evaluating by thy way Pakistan should get every Artillery with TOT

 

[Zarvan]

According to wikkipedia Pakistan has above 800 M-109 and 220 SH-1 Artillery and also 512 Panther
Pakistan Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Manticore]

guys , please go through the first 2pages of the thread before reposting

 

[Zarvan]

guys , please go through the first 2pages of the thread before reposting

Sir How Many SH-1 Pakistan have to this date and has Pakistan started its Mass Production in Pakistan

 

[Manticore]

my info in the matter is limited to wiki-- pak is concentrating on gradually manufacturing a100 and panther 40 units? --to my limited knowledge


sir fatman can provide far better insight

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

According to wikkipedia Pakistan has above 800 M-109 and 220 SH-1 Artillery and also 512 Panther
Pakistan Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i know about 90 sh1 which we have already procured and by the way who believes in wiki everyday the data changes there

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

according to wiki pakistan army operates the following self propelled systems
260 M110 howitzer
250 M109A2/A3
300 M109A4BE
115 M109A5
AND I THINK ITS 90 SH1 IF I M NOT WRONG
NOT KNOW ABOUT MKEK PANTHER IT IS POSSIBLE IF WE R PRODUCING THEM IN WAH

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

according to wiki pakistan army operates the following self propelled systems
260 M110 howitzer
250 M109A2/A3
300 M109A4BE
115 M109A5
AND I THINK ITS 90 SH1 IF I M NOT WRONG
NOT KNOW ABOUT MKEK PANTHER IT IS POSSIBLE IF WE R PRODUCING THEM IN WAH

Dont know abt the exact number(probably more) ... but what i know is tht all earlier models of M109 have been upgraded to A5 status... while we r producind A-100(latest version) and Panter howitzers.