Pakistan's Anti Armor UCAVs ?

[SQ8]

The predators for all their high tech gadgets.. usually go down by themselves due to numerous software and technical faults..(although that is the price for pushing the envelope).
For a Burraq(once its capabilities are known).. to be able to operate in an environment where it will have to face low level SAM's such as igla's and mobile SAM's.. it will be difficult to operate effectively.
This ratio will probably reduce once UCAV's become more common.
UCAV's are probably better off doing the more impersonal tasks..
like striking reserves.. or harassment of supply convoys..
CAS is still a very personal game.. only recently has the radio link issue with the PAF been solved..The pilot coming in for the bomb run needs to know what and where to hit...and while that can be true for a big expensive UCAV.. with enough electronic gadgetry to keep it alive during that time..
I am a little skeptical of the usefulness of a predator like UCAV flying in an area festooned with mobile SAM's and AAA of the advanced variety.
However.. with something like the X-45.. or even an unmanned F-16.. it is possible to provide acceptable CAS.
Jigs highlighted a main issue of operating UCAV's in a high threat environment..
Which means then.. that the UCAV's would need escort.. and you just put a person at risk again.. and lots of expense.
Eventually.. its going to be a very very very hostile environment for aircraft flying in a combat airspace.and LO may not be all that is going to cut it.. which is why.. the Americans are already looking for the 6th gen..
Think point defense lasers to take out incoming missiles and artillery fire..
It is all going to be very Sci Fi..

 

[nightcrawler]

Missile vs Rocket Pods for Ground attack UCAV

Actually the current model of a Predator with two Hellfire missiles is the expensive option.

Fitting two standard 20 shot 80mm rocket pods and fitting those rockets with Ugroza guidance kits you could target up to 40 targets with much cheaper missiles that are just as accurate as the larger and more expensive Hellfire class missiles. If the 80mm rockets' 4.5kg HE warheads are not heavy enough then there are other options.
For harder targets then S-13 122mm rocket pods carry 5 rockets each with warheads up to 33kgs, and the S-25 single rocket pod with 266mm body diameter with the warhead sticking out the end like an RPG-7 with a warhead of 150kg should do the trick.

If the ground target is a convoy of light trucks then the 80mm rocket will do fine.

AFAIK the 57mm rockets of the S-5 system are no longer used because of their light warhead weight, but S-8 (80mm) S-13 (122mm) S-24 (240mm)and S-25 (266mm) unguided rockets can be fitted with the Ugroza guidance package to allow these weapons to be used to ballistic range with the accuracy to hit point targets at a fraction of the cost of an ATGM.

 

[Tayyab1796]

Gentlemen any future Indo-Pak conflict will most certainly include UCAV role and I have a feeling that we might need 'an air superiority drone' in future to ensure that our 'anti-armor' drone operates in the battlefield . Our own armor might be subject to the same 'hellfire' treatment if drones were left free in the battlefield .

 

[Rain]

idea is excellent but Question is how much of requisite tech we have?
we have;

1, IRST
2, Laser target designators and rangefinders,
3, medium range secure communication sys,
4, phased array radar tech ( limited)
5, air launched ATGM like Biktar shikan though not like HF I/II,
some eletronic warefare techs as well,
and most importantly Buraq
So what else is needed??

 

[fatman17]

Folks i have been thinking of this idea that if Pakistan Army can Acquire the Upcoming Burraq UCAV in an Anti Tank Role.

I know it is too early to say such a thing but this idea can turn the whole battlefield into our hands.

If we mass produce these UCAVs and deploy them in anti tank and armor roles along side our gunships - they would not only provide added firepower but also would have a nerve breaking impact on Indian Armor through its large numbers and accuracy.

According to my info these Burraqs will carry LGMs similar to the Hell Fire (Not aware of the real product).
With little modifications these birds can become tank killing machines and because of their lower costs compared to our gunships it would be possible to mass produce them. Moreover These UCAVs can be used against Bunkers , Infantry vehicles , enemy bridges , Communication locations etc 24/7 without putting a human life at stake.


Share your Ideas.

hj-10 atgw

 

[Kompromat]

hj-10 atgw

AKD-10

HellFire

Looks promising

 

[mjnaushad]

^^ how about this

 

[Kompromat]

^^ how about this

To be Honest UMTAS is a serious weapon - though still in trails but its recent update is very much positive.

Jigs can shed some light on this !

 

[Jigs]

It has a maximum range of 8km and can penetrate 1000mm of armor and bypass ERA(explosive reactive armor) by way of tandem warhead. It is also fire and forget with a fire and update feature where it can be updated in flight.

It also weighs 37.5 kg so it should be easy to mount two of them on most MALE UAV types along with the necessary sensor equipment.

 

[SEAL]

UMTAS is good for PA cobra helos and our ground troops need Javelin type atgm and OMTAS is best for it