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Pakistanis in Iran will be treated in Iran and will return to Pakistan when healthy Rohani

Our national hero wish to nuke, India, Afghanistan and Iran. Chinese already setup post on Pak-Afghan border to keep eye on Uighur Islamic movement. Seriously , we need reality check and deal the situation like normal human being.
 
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4K have 50k are still there. All umra zahirins are also coming what about them? Sorry for making it difficult for you but table has turned let's see how it ends now but unlike you I will be not bashing anyone.
All international fight to KSA have already been stopped.
But Iran had already harmed us and afghans enough.
Iran still have to answer for recruiting Pakistanis to work for IRGC.
 
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Don't know about deaths but out of those who came from Iran and got tested 52% were having virus.
fix your numbers. 52 percent of 16000 is over 8000 ,here is most updated number.
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Only if authorities were filled by Madrassa kids like you lol.

Nop, Iran and Pakistan got a lot together.

He is right...This topi drama of Iran can't fool anyone.

They have done the damage and now Iran will never be the same in Pakistan's eyes.
 
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All international fight to KSA have already been stopped.
But Iran had already harmed us and afghans enough.
Iran still have to answer for recruiting Pakistanis to work for IRGC.

We'll be living in denial, if we don't see the state involvement in what's happening at Taftan from past one decade.... all has been happening openly.
Now think what sort of zairin would get received by interior ministry officials /minister of state?

There are international reports of FIGHTERs constantly travelling from Pakistan to Mideast... but we don't have record of them!
https://www.arabnews.pk/node/1637736/pakistan

Moreover, Iran has policy of not stamping passports of Pakistanis, why was this violation of international norms, tolerated by Imran Khan? or was he not informed by FIA? or perhaps Supreme Leader of Iran is as well Supreme Leader of Imran Khan!
Is this not open treason?

Some thing is deeply rotten at top level. All world could see this happening from distance, but we are trying to play dumb.

If international flights are closed than why ground borders open?
 
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Our national hero wish to nuke, India, Afghanistan and Iran. Chinese already setup post on Pak-Afghan border to keep eye on Uighur Islamic movement. Seriously , we need reality check and deal the situation like normal human being.

India, no they want to pick a fight with us.

Afghanistan, why would we attack our ally who is coming to power?

Iran, they have not spared anything to try to harm us.

China is a better friend to us that either Iran or recent KSA.

Your eyes aren't Pakistani eyes lel

They already forced pilgrims to come to Pakistan. We were unprepared but they did it anyway, it could potentially unleash the virus on a population of 200 million.

How much does Iran have to disrespect our national sovereignty before we wake up?

We have to stop giving Iranians and Arabs a break when they blatantly go against our interests without any care for us.

For me, Kashmiris are more important than anyone else in the world. That pain is very close to Pakistani hearts.

Iranians and Arab could not care less. So why do we care for them?
 
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you and me both follow the same Islam but still your definition of Islam is different from mine, for example the hadith you are mentioning or mentioned in the past by our leaders, we have a different definition of it. Have a look:

https://www.al-islam.org/man-and-hi...tadha-mutahhari/part-14-some-hadiths-contrary

He won't answer you.

But i will ask you a question.

Now that Iran is implementing something similar to this saying, along with many others. Do you believe they are following advice contrary to your interpretation of religion?

if yes, what is the religious term for them

if no, then why can't you follow it in Pakistan?
 
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He won't answer you.

But i will ask you a question.

Now that Iran is implementing something similar to this saying, along with many others. Do you believe they are following advice contrary to your interpretation of religion?

if yes, what is the religious term for them

if no, then why can't you follow it in Pakistan?

1. I think we are not living in Islamic system.

2. I think Ayatollahs are custodians of Fiqh (Qanoon/Jurisprudence) not human beings until the Al-Qaim (as) reappears. Every muslim/human being is responsible for his life property and he/she should do whatever is necessary to protect his/her life.

3. Quarantining suspected someone is acceptable in my POV as long as you are doing it right, if you are putting the suspected someone with an infected someone and you don't know who is infected and just because you think that the suspected someone is actually infected and can infect others but in reality the suspected someone is actually not infected and gets infected once he/she is quarantined with the infected - than I dont know what to say, its on you. And clearly we haven't done it right, if you look at the zaireen who came through taftan border.

4. I don't know what they've been doing (the Iranians) with their ppl atm - I guess this is the downside of theocratic govts, the outsiders don't know much, but if I was to running their govt, I would've thought first that what would Ali ibn Abi Talib do for his people in this situation and I would do it with conviction, make no mistakes because you're not allowed to make mistakes at this level - and if you make a single one, you shouldn't be running the govt.

5. If the supreme leader has issued a fatwa regarding quarantining yourself or maintaining distance and make sure that you're not infected than you must do that but if the supreme leader is forcefully quarantining you than I don't know what to say.

6. Not every shia is a follower of Supreme Leader of Iran, in fact most of the Pakistani shias are followers of Ayatollah Sistani who is based in Iraq, get a written fatwa from him if you want the shias to follow you blindly. In fact get every Ayatollah on page and get a written fatwa from them that Pakistan has an infallible law and infallible govt and its a job of every muslim to follow it.

7. Yes everyone has to respect the laws of the lands, even if you're living in a non-muslim country, you must respect the laws of the land, but what if that certain law is putting your life in danger? remember its not something divine (the law) that we have to follow, we're the ones making it (the law) - and if you claim that Rasool Allah (SAWW) said that, then please explain how do you or your leaders understood the Infallible message without a tashreeh done by the Infallible (Prophet SAWW) himself? Do you have a tashreeh of that certain hadith by Rasool Allah (SAWW)? we're fallible human beings, we cannot understand the infallible message without the details explained by the Rasool Allah (SAWW) himself.

8. How did the shia understood, because shias believe in 14 infallibles and the 8th infallible aka Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as) has done tashreeh of that hadith which is as follows:

It is mentioned in al-Kafi, Vol. VIII. According to it Ubaydullah al-Halabi asked Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (a) whether a person was allowed to move out of a place where plague had broken out?

The Imam (a) said: “There is no harm. The Prophet only forbade the leaving of a place which was situated in front of the enemy position. When plague broke out there and the people began to flee from it, the Prophet said that he who fled from there, would be considered to have run away from a battlefield. The Prophet said so because he did not want the Muslims to desert their position."



Thankfully the article 245 is imposed now in Punjab and Sindh and Balochistan I don't know about KPK just woke up will see the news in a bit, and anyway I hope our army will do what is necessary for our people.

Just a thought.

Best.
 
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He won't answer you.

But i will ask you a question.

Now that Iran is implementing something similar to this saying, along with many others. Do you believe they are following advice contrary to your interpretation of religion?

if yes, what is the religious term for them

if no, then why can't you follow it in Pakistan?

1. I think we are not living in Islamic system.

2. I think Ayatollahs are custodians of Fiqh (Qanoon/Jurisprudence) not human beings until the Al-Qaim (as) reappears. Every muslim/human being is responsible for his life property and he/she should do whatever is necessary to protect his/her life.

3. Quarantining suspected someone is acceptable in my POV as long as you are doing it right, if you are putting the suspected someone with an infected someone and you don't know who is infected and just because you think that the suspected someone is actually infected and can infect others but in reality the suspected someone is actually not infected and gets infected once he/she is quarantined with the infected - than I dont know what to say, its on you. And clearly we haven't done it right, if you look at the zaireen who came through taftan border.

4. I don't know what they've been doing (the Iranians) with their ppl atm - I guess this is the downside of theocratic govts, the outsiders don't know much, but if I was to running their govt, I would've thought first that what would Ali ibn Abi Talib do for his people in this situation and I would do it with conviction, make no mistakes because you're not allowed to make mistakes at this level - and if you make a single one, you shouldn't be running the govt.

5. If the supreme leader has issued a fatwa regarding quarantining yourself or maintaining distance and make sure that you're not infected than you must do that but if the supreme leader is forcefully quarantining you than I don't know what to say.

6. Not every shia is a follower of Supreme Leader of Iran, in fact most of the Pakistani shias are followers of Ayatollah Sistani who is based in Iraq, get a written fatwa from him if you want the shias to follow you blindly. In fact get every Ayatollah on page and get a written fatwa from them that Pakistan has an infallible law and infallible govt and its a job of every muslim to follow it.

7. Yes everyone has to respect the laws of the lands, even if you're living in a non-muslim country, you must respect the laws of the land, but what if that certain law is putting your life in danger? remember its not something divine (the law) that we have to follow, we're the ones making it (the law) - and if you claim that Rasool Allah (SAWW) said that, then please explain how do you or your leaders understood the Infallible message without a tashreeh done by the Infallible (Prophet SAWW) himself? Do you have a tashreeh of that certain hadith by Rasool Allah (SAWW)? we're fallible human beings, we cannot understand the infallible message without the details explained by the Rasool Allah (SAWW) himself.

8. How did the shia understood, because shias believe in 14 infallibles and the 8th infallible aka Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as) has done tashreeh of that hadith which is as follows:

It is mentioned in al-Kafi, Vol. VIII. According to it Ubaydullah al-Halabi asked Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (a) whether a person was allowed to move out of a place where plague had broken out?

The Imam (a) said: “There is no harm. The Prophet only forbade the leaving of a place which was situated in front of the enemy position. When plague broke out there and the people began to flee from it, the Prophet said that he who fled from there, would be considered to have run away from a battlefield. The Prophet said so because he did not want the Muslims to desert their position."



Thankfully the article 245 is imposed now in Punjab and Sindh and Balochistan I don't know about KPK just woke up will see the news in a bit, and anyway I hope our army will do what is necessary for our people.

Just a thought.

Best.

I asked a very simple question Mr. Google.

Sistani is following the interpretation of the Hadith as understood by President Alvi of Pakistan. What will happen to him now?

What is the religious term for people who agree with "sunni" interpretations?
 
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I asked a very simple question Mr. Google.

Sistani is following the interpretation of the Hadith as understood by President Alvi of Pakistan. What will happen to him now?
is he (Sistani)? Really? I didn't know that, can you show me the source really? Is president Alvi serving as the wakeel of Ayatollah Sistani in Pakistan? Please do let me know by sharing the source which leads back to Ayatollah Sistani as I really do not know that.

And if you find Ayatollah Khamenei or any other grand Ayatollah agreeing with you regarding this please do let me know.

And by the way what is Sunni interpretation of that hadith? Cuz I don't see any. Read my point no 7 of last post.

And I've given you shia interpretation of what to do if plague breaks out, see point 8 of my last post.

(Quoted) it is clear from the explanation given by Imam Sadiq that the reason why the Holy Prophet forbade fleeing from plague on a particular occasion was that he wanted to impress upon the Muslims that they must stick to their duty and must not expose themselves to a bigger risk. He did not issue a general instruction that the Muslims should not take precautionary measures against plague and should sit simply awaiting what was in store for them. A Muslim is duty bound to protect his life property. (Quoted)

Thanks.
 
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is he (Sistani)? Really? I didn't know that, can you show me the source really?

https://iqna.ir/en/news/3470966/aya...e-of-covid-19-patients-in-gatherings-is-haram

This should cater both your Iranian and Iraqi urges.

And if you find Ayatollah Khamenei or any other grand Ayatollah agreeing with you regarding this please do let me know
i did. let me know if he is now out of the fold of infallibalism.
Is president Alvi serving as the wakeel of Ayatollah Sistani in Pakistan?

He is Head of State of Pakistan. Commander of the Pakistand Armed Forces and representative of the humans in Pakistan.

Let me know if he needs to be replaced if it helps you to follow pandemic containment measures.
 
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