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Pakistani reactions to Chinese vs American Islamophobia

If China banned. No problem.

What if US does the same to banned Muslims to pray below 18 ?
What if India does the same ?

Here, There will be 100 thread for same topic in a week, with 1,000 of anti-Indian and anti-American post. :agree:

Will Pakistanis will say "It's fine" ? :)
 
The bold part is a pretty decent definition of Hypocrisy or double standards..

But you are right, thats how the world works :D

you aren't too smart if you needed a web forum conversation to realize that
 
If a mass shooting happens in Norway, it is also somehow, related to Islam and Islamism. Minarets are banned, headscarves are banned, and whatnot.

But, everybody is mum about that, then why go on ravaging about China?
 
so you think we feed info from GOP? and they use islam for make us fool :lol: lolz we hate our gov more then we hate israel USA we have now 103 tv channels aired and most of them are news .internet is other option .are we closed society ? hell no pakistani's are free .we damn hate policies of india USA israel for some resons we can not hate a country but its policy toward pakistan force us to hate .don't you think pakistan was far far better safe and good before dirty USA land here?:disagree:
 
If China banned. No problem.

What if US does the same to banned Muslims to pray below 18 ?
What if India does the same ?

Here, There will be 100 thread for same topic in a week, with 1,000 of anti-Indian and anti-American post. :agree:

Will Pakistanis will say "It's fine" ? :)

Hey smarta**, nobody has banned under 18's from praying, just from going to mosques.

Yeah you are right, if US BANS Children from praying, then it is a problem, but not from going into mosques.
 
Which is why I find it hilarious when Indians are constantly whining about this.

"China did it too, so why are you angry at India but not at them??" - Typical rant

I mean come on... anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge about being a human being would know that people will always think more highly of their friends than they do of their enemies.

No one claimed to be objective in the China-Pakistan-India situation here. This is not an academic publication where we are obliged to be objective for any reason, this is just people talking to other people.

Very true.. However the so called rants are not complaints of unfair treatment, because anyway its stupid for India and Pakistan to expect fair treatment from each other..

Its mostly to expose the pseudo ummah tamasha that most Pakistanis tom tom about.. The whole concept of I AM A MUSLIM BEFORE PAKISTANI/HUMAN/..... Its just a self glorifying lie in Pakistan which comes crashing down to earth the moment the mention of China comes into play.. Just like it used to happen with USA in 1970's and 1980's

:pop:
 
Once again my examples where about the US and India- take it up with europeans about their bans. Most headscarf bans where of covering the face for secruity issues . But regardless, take it up with europeans- my topic is about US and India never ever banning expression of religion inspite of having 10x folds of deaths by terrorists of the same religious following.

Pakistan is called the Islamic republic and is based atleast, thats what you guys say, on Islam--religion period. If so- how does this blind attitude towards your religion/ followers not allowed to pray in mosques for time to time when riots happen and not allowed to pray period if under 18 takes place in China and mum's the word from pakistanis as a majority here?

Are your both paragraphs not contradictory to eachother?

In the first, you say that I take my problem about European bans to the Europeans, but in the second paragraph, you are asking me about Chinese laws?
 
Nuclearpak,
Banning of Burqa & headscarf is not HR violation.The very concept of this face concealing is.France & Belgium banned it because in 90% of the cases husbands & fathers were forcing Women to wear Burqa's.
Generally people don't force Women to wear Skimpy clothes(Prostitution rings are an exception)
So banning of them may be considered HR violation.But again nobody can do anything against a Sovereign nation.
 
Hey smarta**, nobody has banned under 18's from praying, just from going to mosques.

Yeah you are right, if US BANS Children from praying, then it is a problem, but not from going into mosques.

Ya fine, I was referring that only.

Then smarta** why problem with US or any other country, When you people don't have problem with China on similar issue ?
 
Well, the US tries to achieve it's interests by invading foreign land , while China does it within it''s own borders.

Now , I dont know Chinese law, and i dont want to be defending them here, nor criticizing them. What their laws are, they are for the people living there, and hence is their worry, not mine, or yours. We should be having no problem about it.

I agree that a 8 year old does not pose a security issue.

But hey, do you know what, children under 12 are banned from going into Faisal Mosque, they are banned from going into SUltan Qaboos mosque and other mosques as well. This is because the young children often dont know how to attend namaz , and instead just make a ruckus. I have witnessed it myself. So, is not that credible to be a issue for you as well?

Is not ban in China same as ban for Faisal mosque and SUltan Qaboos mosque?

No it's not the same as your mosque ban- theirs is by the govt to all mulsims who are under 18 period while your bans are certain mosque rules made by adminstration body of that mosque or imam in charge for completly different reasons-- and when an law enforcement issue happens- they shut down mosque entry for " prayer" to all muslims for days on end.

This is a classic Islamophobia case in my view.
 
why dont you understand that war on terror is all about money. see, now they are stopping money for NWA and haqqanis. we had 18 billion dollars re-imbursed in 10 years while our total FR are 17 billion.

no money, no ally....

always remember, all the bomb blasts and rebuttal attacks were a result of **** operaations against tribals and taliban.

also,

the afghan taliban, the TTP, the haqqanis, the Lashkare jhangvi and Kaishe Muhammad, all are ONE!! they are just ONE. the right wing media tries to make mockery of this all!!,

want proof!!,

let suppose america attack us. then you will see. the **** army and the TTP, haqqanis will once again join. so back to the basics. till the time dollars coming in, ISPR will run the show.


here is some thing for the sold our **** nation,


my advice to all the young soldiers...."dont fall pray to nationalist propaganda. dying for country is a kuffar specially if your country is in line of ""taghoot"....iman , taqwa, jihad fe sabilillah....no matter how wrong are taliban tactics, the army operation against them hurt islam in longer run. dont be the fodder of a game play laid by obama, zardari, corrupt mush and bush...."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/42280038/pakaid

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/97862-coalition-support-fund-reality.html
 
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Are your both paragraphs not contradictory to eachother?

In the first, you say that I take my problem about European bans to the Europeans, but in the second paragraph, you are asking me about Chinese laws?

what is the contridiction... the OP is about Chinese laws and benchmarked against US and India and pakistani differential attitudes. I simply asked you to stick to the discussion...
 
I don't see what is in your post which would make you get banned. Don't think we have such harsh rules that we ban people on such kind of thought provoking topics. After spending so much time on this forum, you should have known that, we are different then other forums.

Anyway, as a Pakistani, i would say, whatever China does is condemnable, but then again, they are doing it for their country safety. Nearly every country or should i say certain people in that country who are running the show has at some period of time killed their own country men / from same religion to keep the country together or its integrity together. Be is Pakistan in case of Bangladesh or baluchistan, India in case of Kashmir and may be in other areas like the insurgency hit areas, Iran against the Sunni in the restive areas, Iraq against Kurds and Shias, Turkey against Kurds etc etc etc.

This is not just related to Pakistan or Pakistanis, everyone thinks different. Indians justify the killings in Kashmir, Pakistani is Baluchistan, Iranians in their restive areas etc etc etc.

But, since 9/11, the Islamophobia has been created by the west, you will mostly see Muslims get picked out at US airports, the news channels documentaries showing Islam is bad and will do this and that to you, views from experts, all these things created the phobia and the war caused by US alone has cost the lives of Muslims in hundreds of thousands, revenge by US for the actions of some people who don't represent the thinking of Muslims or their actions not representing Muslims has caused death and destruction to ordinary Muslims and that gives rise to the idea of Islamphobia.

India & US may have suffered, but then they both have killed much more in return also. How much Indians have been killed by terrorism and then how much Muslims killed by Indian Security forces ?? Ever thought about it. How much US nationals killed on 9/11 and in return how many hundred thousand Muslims alone killed by the actions of the US, directly or indirectly.

Does AQ represent Muslims, are they governing any Muslim country ?? Then why kill ordinary Muslims who had nothing to do with AQ in revenge ?? Same for India, whoever does terrorist acts, are they representing the 200Million muslims of India or they doing it for their own twisted ideas, then why drag in ordinary Muslims in it.


So, in the end, would just like to say, take out the root causes which gives fire to these militants and not react or take revenge by taking lives, as it kills much more innocents, which gives again the impression of Islamphobia. Be it the US, India or anyone else. Bans on headscarf in Europe, bans on making Minarets of Mosques etc etc are all the actions which speak of Islaphobia, and they provide fire to the radicals or militants/extremists.

sir, i think your comparison of US and India is wrong.

India hasn't gone for war on terror against any nation.

US has killed lakhs of Muslims.

India has killed only thousands of Muslims. majority were killed in border infiltration and counter terror attacks.

India's anger is against terrorists and not Islam.

US on other hand has started media war against Islam. ( your post says same.)

Us actions have resulted in death of lakhs of Iraqis

India hasn't done something like this.

my 2 paise. regards
 

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