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Pakistani Owner of Swanky Santa Monica Hotel: “Get the [expletive] Jews out

You can't expect East Coast newspapers to pick up West Coast stories. The Los Angeles Times covers this story here: link

Ok a vaild news source.

It appears they weren't kicked out because of religion but because they were advertising/promoting. I would have kicked them out too, you can't do that anywhere.


Its funny how jewishpress.com gave this story a different twist.
 
I doubt anything in this story is true, maybe some kind of problem and jews decided to teach him a lesson since he looked middle eastern. its so easy now in US to label anyone anti-semetic
 
Its funny how jewishpress.com gave this story a different twist.
The LA Times gives the sanitized, "politically correct" version of events while jewishpress.com presented the raw, down-to-earth facts as alleged by the plaintiffs.
 
The hotel management have the right to remove anybody from their
Premesid...i think its in every hotels TOS.
These people may have used lies to book the pool and may be didnt mention the exact reason why they want to book the pool.
They may have booked it for a general party and then arrived with banners and fund raising activity.
No hotel owner will like this deception...
The jews were not removed for being jew but for their fund raising which the owner didnt like.
 
The LA Times gives the sanitized, "politically correct" version of events while jewishpress.com presented the raw, down-to-earth facts as alleged by the plaintiffs.

correct. but omitted the defendants argument.
 
Although i agree the owner was wrong IF he removed those pelple ONLY for being jew.
 
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A blue eyed blond haired person calling a black haired, brown eyed swarthy person a anti-semite ..... Is it just me that finds something not right about this?

Semite Semitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have a look at the map. Semite peoples are brown skinned dark haired people found in Middle East - Africa who would be very conspicious in Europe. So anti- semite is anyboy who discriminates against this group. So how can a Arab be a Anti-Semite?

@ Solomon2 Sanitized? That is a very strange word to use. The original article claims Mr Ryan moved to 'Isreal in 1942'. I ask the question again how is that possible? Isreal came into existance in 1948 and before that you had the British Mandate of Palestine.

Do you think this incorrect statement needs 'sanitizing'?
 
The modern Jews in America are the Muslims. Muslim is a dirty word in America today.
You're trying to graft Muslim-American woes onto the Jewish experience. Not a good fit. You're not going to find, say, the discrimination against Muslims in college admissions that Jews experienced up to the 1960s: everybody wants Muslims now.

Just one question .......... the article refers to Ryan's dad moving to 'Isreal' in 1942, how is that possible? Isreal came into existance in 1948 and before that it was a British Mandate of Palestine. Is Palestine a dirty word that it's use has to be avoided?
Would you be happy if the article referred to Ryan's dad moving to "Palestine" instead? Remember, back in 1942 the Jews were referred to as Palestinians, and the resident Arabs as Arabs. Nobody applied the label "Palestinian" to Arabs before 1961 or so. My guess is that the newspaper called 1942 Palestine "Israel" simply to avoid giving the long explanation.

correct. but omitted the defendants argument.
The trespassing and deportment charges are in the JPress article near the bottom. JPress is writing for a Jewish audience specifically and of course the first thing that would stand out to a Jew are the expletives aimed in our direction.
 
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A blue eyed blond haired person calling a black haired, brown eyed swarthy person a anti-semite ..... Is it just me that finds something not right about this?

Semite Semitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have a look at the map. Semite peoples are brown skinned dark haired people found in Middle East - Africa who would be very conspicious in Europe. So anti- semite is anyboy who discriminates against this group. So how can a Arab be a Anti-Semite?

According to religious traditions, a "Semite" is a descendant of Shem; the son of Noah. Later on, the term "Semite" as far as I know generally referred to the original speakers of Semitic languages. In modern times, the term "Semite" refers to anyone whose culture & language is "Semitic" regardless of their origins. All Semites are not brown skinned or dark haired. Many people in Syria & Lebanon (Phoenicia) for instance have fair skin & a variety of hair & eye colors.

Pakistanis on the other hand would generally be considered Indo-European or more specifically Indo-Aryan on the basis of their origins, language, & culture.
 
Pakistanis on the other hand would generally be considered Indo-European or more specifically Indo-Aryan on the basis of their origins, language, & culture.

Close but no cigar. Good effort though. :lol:
 
Close but no cigar. Good effort though. :lol:

What the hell? I suggest that you visit one of the many threads where we discussed Pakistani genetics. I remember taking part in such a discussion myself.

On topic:

Under no circumstances should any ethnicity ever be discriminated against, especially when it comes to business. A business man or woman would be aware of the ethics required when conducting business. Not only will an act of discrimination cause damage to the company or in this case the hotel as a result of the lawsuit, there would be disastrous effects on the corporate image. A bad image will result in a loss of customers, I suggest people read up on "corporate social responsibility".

For now though, as other members have suggested; it's a good idea to reserve judgments till the lawsuit is over & all facts have been uncovered.
 
You're trying to graft Muslim-American woes onto the Jewish experience. Not a good fit. You're not going to find, say, the discrimination against Muslims in college admissions that Jews experienced up to the 1960s: everybody wants Muslims now.

Would you be happy if the article referred to Ryan's dad moving to "Palestine" instead? Remember, back in 1942 the Jews were referred to as Palestinians, and the resident Arabs as Arabs. Nobody applied the label "Palestinian" to Arabs before 1961 or so. My guess is that the newspaper called 1942 Palestine "Israel" simply to avoid giving the long explanation.

With due respect discrimination before 1960s in US was just discrimination in that it was generally against all non Anglo-Saxon Protestants - WASPs. That would even include Irish Catholics but was in particular against AfricanAmericans. The example of lynching of African American's clearly showed which community was really getting shafted and at the bottom of the pile.

You make it sound as if discrimination was just directed against Jews. Had I lived in USA in the 1950s I would have been as shafted just as much as you [I assume your a Jew] or had I been living in Nazi Germany my light brown skin, black hair and brown eyes along with circumcized male member would, I suspect have got me a first class ticket on a train to Auschwitz along with yourself.

We than would have shared our thoughts about discrimination, Holocaust and Anti-Semitism with other Jews, Gypsies etc whilst waiting to be gassed. However today thank god by and large the Jews have managed to graduate out of this discrimination club but Muslims increasingly find that even with all the protection of law etc they are fast becoming the modern Jews/Negroes of the Western world.

And insofar as your explanation or apology for the revision of history is contrived and despite all semantic gymnastics fails to impress. The simple truth is the world 'Palestine' is unaccetable to many who would want to erase that name so that a community loses it's past. One step forward and you can say 'land without a people for people without a land'.
 
Had I lived in USA in the 1950s I would have been as shafted just as much as you -
You'll have to turn to Turkish-Americans or Arab-Americans for that opinion.

had I been living in Nazi Germany my light brown skin, black hair and brown eyes along with circumcized male member would, I suspect have got me a first class ticket on a train to Auschwitz along with yourself.
Muslims like the mufti of Jerusalem were Nazi allies. However, as a British subject you would have been considered an enemy alien and expelled to England within a few days after Britain declared war on Nazi Germany, during the so-called "phoney war" period.

However today thank god by and large the Jews have managed to graduate out of this discrimination club but Muslims increasingly find that even with all the protection of law etc they are fast becoming the modern Jews/Negroes of the Western world.
With this difference: Jews were discriminated against because they are Jews. Discrimination against Muslims, where that exists, is more likely due to the fact people are scared of being blown to bits in some act of terrorism. As for me, I interact more with Muslims than Christians every day, but most Americans don't have my experience - not all of it good, and frankly experiences I would rather not have had.

And insofar as your explanation or apology for the revision of history is contrived and despite all semantic gymnastics fails to impress.
This much I agree with.

The simple truth is the world 'Palestine' is unaccetable to many who would want to erase that name so that a community loses it's past.
And this part I don't. It is absolutely certain that in the 1920s when the British Mandate was established there was no separate Palestinian Arab identity, if only because Palestinian Arabs wrote to the League of Nations to say so. Remember, during the post-WWI period three empires were broken up and their component nationalities separated into nation-states and there was nothing unusual about nationalities losing patches of territory here and there so they could pick up sovereign status elsewhere.

The creation of the Mandate was thus not particularly unusual - save that the Arabs of Palestine, like the Germans of the Czechezslovakia, the Serbs of Kosovo, etc. - were not compelled to migrate by force. These areas where nationalities of differing temper remained in close proximity have become flashpoints in subsequent wars.

Further discussion will have to take place elsewhere - the mods prefer most of it confined to the "Palestinian Struggle" sticky in the World Affairs section. There you will see many suggestions that "Palestinian" is an identity imposed upon Arabs by conniving self-interested leaders allied with external forces. Why Pakistanis should have a hand in supporting such tyranny is a puzzle, isn't it?
 
The LA Times gives the sanitized, "politically correct" version of events while jewishpress.com presented the raw, down-to-earth facts as alleged by the plaintiffs.

Correction: The Plaintiff's have made a claim and as of now the contents of the claim have not been established as fact therefore you cannot say that those claims are facts.

I would also suggest that the Jewishpress.com has presented the claims made by the Plaintiffs and therefore is chosen to give one side to what is at least a binary story. Your characterization of the claim as "raw,down to earth" is just subjective drivel.

* I must take leave now but i am sure we can finish this off later today.

Peace.
 

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