Pakistani High court orders Musharraf's arrest.

[blain2]

IHC is going for the death penalty I suppose - not for Article 6 but for ordering the judges house arrest.

The ruling of the court said this was an act of terrorism.

I'm not one to challenge courts, but act of terrorism? I will have to be convinced on this.

I hope by tomorrow morning Supreme Court will settle the issue.

How can you go for a "death penalty" in a case where no one else died and has nothing to do with "treason"?

 

[Jango]

The constitution represent the highest law of the land.

Isn't this the same constitution 'jis ki har roz dhajiyan urayi jati hain'! (for a lack of a better english alternative)

Don't we hear on TV shows article 62 and 63 being ridiculed and abused? Don't we hear arguments upon it?

We can't just pick and choose whatever article we like and do not. Accept the constitution as a whole or refuse it as a whole as the same law has to be applied to everyone.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

A little correction here, Raymond Davis may have been whisked away, but he was whisked away after a arrangement with the families of the deceased and assurance of diyat.

After the court deal was reached, he was taken straight to the airport by certain agency personnel, but his name was still on the ECL at the time of his flight.

Back to the topic:

 

[saiyan0321]

ECL? Raymond Davis left the country straight from Lahore airport after the court topi drama despite being on the ECL due to his special "security escort". Gen Musharraf has the same protection too.

In our law if the murderers family forgives the murderer then he is left alone. its islamic law. This is what happened in raymond davis case. They were paid heavy sums and they forgave raymond davis, thus he went off. Call it right or wrong but it is part of our law.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Well I am talking about the cases in the SC. Not the IHC case. Lets see how this story develops.

It would be wise to treat this case as sub judice and hence tone down any inflammatory rhetoric. We will know the court's decisions and appeals soon.

 

[saiyan0321]

We can't just pick and choose whatever article we like and do not. Accept the constitution as a whole or refuse it as a whole as the same law has to be applied to everyone.

For which stablized Govt are needed who will look into this matter. when a govt runs the faults of the constitution are found and rectified. This is what we need right now the most. Believe me as time flows by you will find alot more mistakes in our constitution and alot of clauses which will be requiring amendment.

Things are soo messed up with our democracy i feel like we were created only ten years ago.

 

[Jango]

IHC is going for the death penalty I suppose - not for Article 6 but for ordering the judges house arrest.

The ruling of the court said this was an act of terrorism.

I'm not one to challenge courts, but act of terrorism? I will have to be convinced on this.

I hope by tomorrow morning Supreme Court will settle the issue.

Well why don't these judges also invoke this article on Abdul Rasheed Ghazi and Abdul Aziz? Weren't they taking the law into their own hand?

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This I am afraid has turned into a witch hunt, my opinion is that this issue should be laid to rest at the moment, let the elections take place and then we can pursue this issue further. It isn't as if Musharraf is going to run away anywhere...there are much more important things at the moment to focus on rather than Musharraf and his acts of 2007 or 1999 (which will open a Pandora box as per Hassan Raza Kasoori, and he is right).

Believe me as time flows by you will find alot more mistakes in our constitution and alot of clauses which will be requiring amendment.

I completely agree with this. We go on and on praising this constitution and whatnot, but it has alot of deep flaws which will come to the fore overtime.

 

[Chrome9]

This country is in the position due to dimwits like Musharraf. If it is left to shenanigans of PA I don't think it ever will come out of this stage. For God sake look at the last 50 years, 35 years were under one dictatorship or another. Pakistan has been constantly at a state of war. If PA was not fighting India it was waging the global jehad. Criminal proceedings against Musharraf will go a long way in assuring a common man that their is some semblance of state authority and law does exist.

I've read the last 65 years of Pakistani history in quite some detail - I think you need to do this your self. It's a very simple blanket statement to say it was just dictators taking over on their whims. However, it hasn't been the case. Each time there was a backlog, a scenario in which there was an intervention. It was never done in a vacume rather its was done in a context and each time was whole heatedly supported my stake holders namely - the JUDICIARY in the name "of the doctrine of necessity," political forces - many of them opportunistic and used the army as piggy bank. The beuroracy which has always considered political civilian leaders as "inferior." Finally, the people of Pakstan, no coup in the last 65 years could have occurred if it didn't have support on the ground - people would be fed up of civilian leadership and support army - after a few years - when dictatorship cycle would come to it's natural end - they would clamor for democracy - we are a fickle nation.
When all these institutions have such skeletons in their closets - the notion of "justice" becomes a bit fresh and far-fetched.
Make no mistake - I'm no supporter of martial law- its a system that's unsustainable - but I also have an aversion to this judicial activism that dispenses judicial decisions in hind sight and has personal connotations.
I believe Pakistan should give this imperfect democracy some time and not allow sideshow saga's to de-track it.

 

[IBRIS]

It's was very hard to determine who was with whom. All that police and para military contingent were left clueless to what to do at the time musharraf stormed out of court. This episode reminds of the song which reflects mushies condition

 

[Jango]

Our media also needs to show some maturity...they are acting like a child who has just reached puberty.

I saw statements on Geo and other channels that 'Army sakoon say beth kar manzir dekh rahi hai'. Somebody tell me the purpose of this statement? WHat is the role of the army in all this? They aren't a party in the court proceedings, they aren't collaborating with Musharraf or anything like that, why try and involve another party in this?

It's was very hard to determine who was with whom. All that police and para military contingent were left clueless to what to do at the time musharraf stormed out of court. This episode reminds of the song which reflects mushies condition

The police officer of the Secretariat police station was supposed to be the person who would arrest Musharraf, Rangers personnel present there had absolutely no job there except to provide a security cordon, they were not a party in the proceedings, they were no ordered by the court or anything like that.

I saw a opinion on TV that it is also the fault of the court. Proceeding are held with the door closed and door is opened only after the order has been given or a bail been given, in this case the door was wide open and Musharraf simply strolled out.

 

[RuheTag]

here is a little click any supporter of musharraf can do to protest against the behavior of black monkeys.

ill-conceived decision of Islamabad High Court against Pervaiz Musharraf - PetitionBuzz

 

[saiyan0321]

I saw a opinion on TV that it is also the fault of the court. Proceeding are held with the door closed and door is opened only after the order has been given or a bail been given, in this case the door was wide open and Musharraf simply strolled out.

Why was this allowed? Army job is not catching criminals their job is protecting borders. this was the police job and they failed at it. First of all why is he being left alone at his house. its like the court just gave an arrest order and no one even cared for it. This should be looked into as to why after 7 hours of the order musharraf is still not caught when his place, position and where he is located at this moment is known and determined.

 

[blain2]

It would be wise to treat this case as sub judice and hence tone down any inflammatory rhetoric. We will know the court's decisions and appeals soon.

Its almost unfair to expect such propriety from members here when like a "pehalwan", the Chief Justice of Pakistan challenges people to open up cases against Musharraf - "agar himmat hai tau musharraf kay khilaf case kholain/kholo."

 

[RazorMC]

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Agreed on the paper being a "Discipline/framework", however the litmus test is whether this very same Supreme Court goes back to that issue of 1999, or just tries to pick things which keep it from self-probing its own role and guilt in military takeovers.

And here lies the crux of the SC's moral authority.
Hence my question, why all this upholding of the constitution now and not years/decades ago ??

 

[saiyan0321]

here is a little click any supporter of musharraf can do to protest against the behavior of black monkeys.

ill-conceived decision of Islamabad High Court against Pervaiz Musharraf - PetitionBuzz

I dont get it. to what end. even if they get 100000 clicks it cant effect the decision much less change it. do you know what can change the decision. Its the supreme court where you go and file a petition against the decision of the high court and thus it will come to CJ and his judges to see whether the verdict is right or wrong.

The next few days are going to be really interesting.

Musharraf is stuck and he is stuck very very bad. You see he cant let this arrest warrant go on as if not today if not tomorrow but he will be caught. If he files a petition against the decision then he will have to face perhaps the one person that psychologically cant be unbiased. he will have to face the supreme court who i must say will not give him any reprieve.

It doesnt matter what type of clicks or long marches are done. Musharraf right now most probably with a cigar in his right hand and a glass of whiskey in his left must be thinking what have i gotten myself into?

Its almost unfair to expect such propriety from members here when like a "pehalwan", the Chief Justice of Pakistan challenges people to open up cases against Musharraf - "agar himmat hai tau musharraf kay khilaf case kholain/kholo."

I think what SC meant was that people and politicians who were saying that musharraf should be captured or hanged should file petitions against him rather then expecting the SC to do all the work. after all without the petition The courts could hardly have done anything.