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Pakistan – US Relations: Will US ditch Pakistan once again ?

I don't know why most of us believes in US more than ALLAH SWT.
We are fond of dollars but never able to read there is a quote on US $ 'IN GOD WE TRUST'.
Will US ditch Pakistan? Bhai, already ditched. New alliances and blocks are forming, there is major shift in the region and world. Unfortunately we are unable to understand or digest it, but that writing is alrady on the wall.
We are still behaving like, 'HUM AAS LAGAYE BAITHAIN HAIN WOH WADA KAR K BHOOL GAYE'.
 
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I don't know why most of us believes in US more than ALLAH SWT.
We are fond of dollars but never able to read there is a quote on US $ 'IN GOD WE TRUST'.
Will US ditch Pakistan? Bhai, already ditched. New alliances and blocks are forming, there is major shift in the region and world. Unfortunately we are unable to understand or digest it, but that writing is alrady on the wall.
We are still behaving like, 'HUM AAS LAGAYE BAITHAIN HAIN WOH WADA KAR K BHOOL GAYE'.

Don't worry. Everyone will find out soon. If Obama was like this in his terms, we can only imagine and begin to comprehend how the likes of Trump will be. The time of duplicity is coming to an end. Specifically our civilian leaders will find out the hard way.
 
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Sour grapes for the Yanks. They cannot live with or without Pakistan. They are about to be ruled by the most pathetic person on the planet and it serves them right. They are picking fights with so many countries. China is evil. Russia is evil. Iran is evil. Mexico is evil. Pakistan is evil. The white American is angry for so many reasons. The white American has been wronged by the entire world, but particularly Muslims. Everyone is to blamed except the white American. Everything is going wrong for the Yanks. They don't win anymore. Iraq, Syria, ISIS, Taliban etc. All they can do now is blame Mexicans, Muslims and the rest of the world. Only, blame games won't solve anything. Even Mexican and Muslim judges are biased. The whole world is conspiring against them.

Trump is much better than Killary.
 
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I don't know why most of us believes in US more than ALLAH SWT.
We are fond of dollars but never able to read there is a quote on US $ 'IN GOD WE TRUST'.
Will US ditch Pakistan? Bhai, already ditched. New alliances and blocks are forming, there is major shift in the region and world. Unfortunately we are unable to understand or digest it, but that writing is alrady on the wall.
We are still behaving like, 'HUM AAS LAGAYE BAITHAIN HAIN WOH WADA KAR K BHOOL GAYE'.


Bro, unfortunately some Pakistanis suffer from western saviour complex. The British raj never ended. It went from being overt to the mind and soul of some Pakistanis. That's why some of them worship money and are supremely corrupt.
 
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By Dr Madiha Afzal
Published: June 7, 2016

The writer is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy at the University of Maryland, and a Non-Resident Fellow at the Brookings Institution. She tweets @MadihaAfzal

A troublemaker that causes its neighbours harm, a country being attacked by monsters of its own creation: this is how the world sees Pakistan. Yes, there are moments of unreserved sympathy for the country and the suffering of its people — after the Army Public School attack in Peshawar, after the Gulshan-e-Iqbal park blast in Lahore — but these are more often than not overtaken by news that suggests that Pakistan is scheming and double-dealing, harbouring terrorists that attack its neighbours and endanger the Western world. The sympathy gives way to anger, bewilderment, and the sense that you reap what you sow.

Of course, Pakistan disagrees. It sees itself as a victim — of the jihadists created to fight America’s war against the Soviets in Afghanistan, of American abandonment in the 1990s, of the jihadist blowback in allying with America post-2001, of its painful birth, of Indian aggression and connivance. It irks Pakistan that the world defines it in terms of terror. Why, Pakistanis ask, doesn’t the world notice any of Pakistan’s positives — the gleaming new buildings in its largest cities, its metrobuses and highways — the way it obsesses over shining India? To these folks, it seems that the only Pakistani heroes the world honours are the ones their country damages, like Malala.

Who’s right? We’ll get back to that. Let’s talk about Mullah Mansoor of the Afghan Taliban — responsible for the uptick in attacks in Afghanistan over the past year and for the deaths of many Afghans — targeted by that American drone strike while being driven along a road in Balochistan. Pakistan’s cries about sovereignty are moot. There is only one takeaway: that Pakistan’s repeated denials about housing the Afghan Taliban were lies. We knew that all along. Still, the confirmation is embarrassing. It’s Osama in Abbottabad, redux. It justifies what the world thinks about Pakistan.

Why does Pakistan do it? It defies rational comprehension. I know the official line, the strategic depth argument: Pakistan fears Indian influence in Afghanistan and encirclement by India, so it maintains connections to the Taliban in Afghanistan. But really, how much sense does that make? Is influence in Afghanistan worth more than Pakistan’s standing in the world? Is it worth more than the investment and tourism and thus income we forgo for being losers in the forum of world opinion? Is it worth more than Pakistan’s security (and the adverse economic effects of poor security)? Thinking this way is not naive, it is realistic.

Because the Afghan Taliban and the Pakistani Taliban, while distinct groups, are connected. Terrorists of all stripes feed off each other, even those with different goals — but these two groups share the same ideologies. You cannot fight one while holding the other’s hand. The havoc the Afghan Taliban wreaks not only affects Kabul and Afghans, it emboldens the Pakistani Taliban to pursue the same at home. Seeing the Afghan Taliban gain power next door would surely boost the Taliban currently on their knees in Waziristan.

Who gave the thumbs-up to Pakistan to continue to cultivate ties with the Afghan Taliban? Not our public, which deeply dislikes the group. Only 12 per cent of respondents surveyed by Pew in 2013 had a favourable view of the Afghan Taliban; 47 per cent had an unfavourable view (42 per cent did not respond). But public opinion informs policy in the best democracies: it is not to be expected in Pakistan where historically defence and security policies have not been in the hands of its elected leaders.

Reading all this, some people will circle around, and protest anew about victimhood and betrayal and RAW and geopolitics and America, and say that that imbroglio justifies everything. But the 1980s are over. Pakistan can make a choice now, and it is a clear one: drop all militants. That goal from the National Action Plan, we now know for sure, is half untouched.

So cut ties with the Afghan Taliban. Not for blind idealism, but for pragmatism. These ties have enormous negative consequences that span both security and economics, and extend to world opinion. And when the world starts thinking a little more highly of Pakistan, the country may just start feeling a little less insecure about itself relative to India. It’s a win-win, if you ask me.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 8th, 2016.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1118160/frankensteins-monsters/
 
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All nations change their policies to suit the ever-changing landscapes in international geopolitics. USA will do what is right for its national interests, and Pakistan will do what serves its own needs the best. As always.
Pakistan does not do what is best for her: that is the problem!
 
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Pakistan does not do what is best for her: that is the problem!

If that is indeed the case (which I do not think it is), then it is a problem that only Pakistan can solve for itself.
 
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How can Pakistan be considered a sovereign state when there are liberal elements that holds considerable influence and forces Pakistan to lick the boots of the western world and the US in general because it goes in line with their own personal family interest, they would sell the nation just so that could continue to have luxurious lifestyle through their connections with the west.

But then again what can you expect from a nation who takes pride in learning and being fluent in English rather than their own mother language.
 
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Sour grapes for the Yanks. They cannot live with or without Pakistan. They are about to be ruled by the most pathetic person on the planet and it serves them right. They are picking fights with so many countries. China is evil. Russia is evil. Iran is evil. Mexico is evil. Pakistan is evil. The white American is angry for so many reasons. The white American has been wronged by the entire world, but particularly Muslims. Everyone is to blamed except the white American. Everything is going wrong for the Yanks. They don't win anymore. Iraq, Syria, ISIS, Taliban etc. All they can do now is blame Mexicans, Muslims and the rest of the world. Only, blame games won't solve anything. Even Mexican and Muslim judges are biased. The whole world is conspiring against them.
USA has been on descent for over two decades and Trump marks the steap dive to crash land USA or even total disintegration with hate and racism reaching all time high.
 
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Surah Al Maida Verse 51:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ أَوْلِيَاءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِنْكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

Asad: O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide such evildoers.

http://www.imranhosein.org/articles/understanding-islam/550-a-commentary-to-maulana-imran-hoseins-interpretation-of-the-verse-.html
 
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How can Pakistan be considered a sovereign state when there are liberal elements that holds considerable influence and forces Pakistan to lick the boots of the western world and the US in general because it goes in line with their own personal family interest, they would sell the nation just so that could continue to have luxurious lifestyle through their connections with the west.

But then again what can you expect from a nation who takes pride in learning and being fluent in English rather than their own mother language.

At last, a man after my own heart! It was getting lonely here. If a nation has such a slave nature that it can surrender it's language, tell me what it cannot surrender?

Pakistan has backed the Taliban because that is in it's national interest. An enemy regime in Kabul is the kiss of death in a conflict with India. I notice how so many liberals on this forum are singing the US mantra of the Taliban being 'terrorists', if they were non-Muslim they would be referred to as national resistance.

Will the US ditch Pakistan? Surprise, surprise! Yes! I mean, we haven't been here before, have we?:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

A Zionist dominated US will never tolerate a Muslim country with nuclear weapons. Never.

The fundamental basics are that the US and Pakistan interests are diametrically opposite. Accept it and plan for it.
 
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At last, a man after my own heart! It was getting lonely here. If a nation has such a slave nature that it can surrender it's language, tell me what it cannot surrender?

Pakistan has backed the Taliban because that is in it's national interest. An enemy regime in Kabul is the kiss of death in a conflict with India. I notice how so many liberals on this forum are singing the US mantra of the Taliban being 'terrorists', if they were non-Muslim they would be referred to as national resistance.

Will the US ditch Pakistan? Surprise, surprise! Yes! I mean, we haven't been here before, have we?:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

A Zionist dominated US will never tolerate a Muslim country with nuclear weapons. Never.

The fundamental basics are that the US and Pakistan interests are diametrically opposite. Accept it and plan for it.

"A Zionist dominated US will never tolerate a Muslim country with nuclear weapons. Never."

You can say that again! What I cannot fathom is that there are Pakistanis who just do not understand what you have written; either that or they don't want to.
 
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Pakistan needs to ditch the zionist state and enter into a strategic partnership with China and Russia..that's not just my gut feeling but keen observation of global dynamics and knowledge of text reveals.
 
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I haven't even mentioned the outright enemity which will take place if Trump were to win the elections. Pakistanis better start taking into account all possible scenarios including Trump's presidency because this is going to have a major impact on how this relation deteriorates further from here on.

Outside a trade relationship we should simply be cordial and cut all other ties especially military slowly cutting all American equipment except for essentials

Pakistan needs to ditch the zionist state and enter into a strategic partnership with China and Russia..that's not just my gut feeling but keen observation of global dynamics and knowledge of text reveals.

Oh please, the US will dangle 8 F-16s and you'll bend over.

The writer is an Assistant Professor of Public Policy at the University of Maryland, and a Non-Resident Fellow at the Brookings Institution. She tweets @MadihaAfzal

She's hot. But her liberal LUMS upbringing failed her to understand the fight or flight.

Pakistan as a country is being attacked by a Taliban umbrella, The Pakistani Taliban. Not to be confused with the Afghan Taliban which is fighting in Afghanistan and has bases in Pakistan. This is a conundrum, in who the State is required to fight first. The threat to the State itself? Or the threat to a neighboring State.

And even then, how to get to the bases used by the Afghan Taliban? If you're at point 'A' and have to get to point 'D', you'll have to fight your way to 'D'. This isn't World War 2 or the Korean War, where you can insert troops into point 'D'.

Combine that with the indisputable fact that the only way to end the Afghan War is to bring the Afghan Taliban to the table requires there to be a leadership.

@boomslang
 
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