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Pakistan to purchase latest fighter planes, submarines: Tanveer

We got 200 bilion dollars stolen by corrupt politicians from Pakistan and it sitting in foreign banks. We need to bring it back. Gunja should be in jail. Government should take over all his property including his business. Pakistan will be able to spend more than 20 billion on defense.

Country is bankrupt and looted by corupt politians. People are dieing of hunger. NZ government made a deal with Army, PMLN government will give Amry money for defence but Army will not intervene in politics and PMLN will continue their corruption.
 
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The level of this forum has fallen too low with all these rumours day in and day out with people speculating without even thinking.

Russia already has supplied 50+ mig-29k to india,we will eventually have 272 mki's and are going to sign pakfa contract sooner rather than later nd u guys think russia will jeopardise all that just to sell 15-18 fighters to pakistan??:lol:

There is 0 possibility.

Not only now they will never go for SU-35 what I can see after ten years is PAF with more than 200 JF-17 Thunder BLOCK II 100 F-16 minimum and there is high possibility of we go for 3 squadrons of J-10 B I mean 52 to 60 Jets and may be even more as for F-16 we currently have 75 if we get the money we my try to go for 40 more F-16 Block 52 I mean new ones from USA but can't say for sure but SU-35 no way hell no

Su-35 is miles ahead of jf-17 in anything,,point is neither pakistan has the money to get it at this point ,nor it will be sold to pakistan.
 
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You brought up some good points to design a strategy around. Let me answer in order for you:

1) Russian gas deal is an optimal deal for you. (Sadly, being an American, I am saying this, we don't have a direct pipeline to Pakistan so I guess I can favor the Russians here). Whether I like it or not, Russia is the second largest military power. They are no longer a super power, but they are the second largest power and then there is China. I'd even put them in one basket.

So having relationships with TWO second largest powers in the entire globe is NEVER bad. And having billions of trade where they make money too, is icing on the cake. These are two veto votes in the UN, just fyi. Plus dealing with Russians, you'll overcome many issues with regards to the Central Russian estates as they are scared of the Red Bear, and will allow smooth transition of oil and gas. And in turn, Pakistan gets help, investments and advanced weapons, and corners a huge power in his court. Not a bad deal at all.

2) The Central Russian estates that don't like Russia, do like China and some even Pakistan. So you'll be covered from all angles. This is plenty of leverage there. Plus remember, these Central Russian estates all have Chinese influence and they would eventually be linked with China through road and rail links. Which means that they want to use Gawader as its cheaper too. So more business for Pakistan as the silk road develops and becomes operational.

3) After the recent meetings with the Afghans, I won't count them as a factor. They may have good relations with India. But the Afghanistan needs China for infrastructure development and the Chinese need Pakistan's help here. So at the end, Pakistan is very involved within Afghanistan, in a good way. There are shared common agreements now in place to even buy Pakistani weapons and JFT planes, plus training. So things are looking good from that side for both, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

They've agreed to let the Indian influence out of the relationships and thus you see the change in tone. Otherwise, China won't invest in it if the Afghanis keep playing the India part and tick off Pakistan. And Afghanistan will remain a "remote mountainous region" for the next three decades to come. If you want to turn it into civilization.....you'll need the Chinese for the infrastructure and the Pakistanis allowing ports to send goods, machinery and all from Karachi and Gawader. Simple is that.

4) Iran can use their port that they want to build with India. But who are they supplying stuff too? The width of Iran from this port is so big that it'll be super expensive to transport stuff from Iran......plus India doesn't need it as they have ports themselves. They may be able to build a naval base at lease or something but that's it.
Plus, when Pakistan is working with the Russians and the Chinese, the Iran factor almost fades away. Because they are pro-Russians and pro-Chinese. So in case of a conflict, they can get a shush call from either the Chinese or the Russians.

Plus, PAF having -16 block 52, JFT Block II and III's, with potentially SU-37's, why a country the size of Iran or even India want to mess with such strong 4th generation flying force? You can try it, but be ready to lose half the number of your top line jets and that's a pretty expensive proposal for any one. Iran hardly has that conflict ability anymore.

India can use Iran for Baluchistan as Afghanistan will back off of India using their land for this (if it hasn't already, that was the strong message Gen. Raheel had for the Afghanistan leadership that if they don't work well for the Pakistani interests, Pakistan will hot pursuit the terrorist back to Afghanistan). I doubt that Iran will allow India to do so, specially knowing that it might piss off the Russians or the Chinese as terrorists will try to find these foreigners working in Pakistan to target first.

So at the end, the future looks bright for Pakistan. The MAJOR danger is not from the outside right now, it is from the inside, the political unrest in Pakistan can scare away the investors. That needs to be fixed. Plus the current government MUST complete its turn, otherwise you'll lose a lot of advantages I mentioned above as they've brought in a lot of investment because of their relationships. That's what a CFO does in a company.....



1) I am not a Pakistani citizen. I just write the truth and sometimes it is not in favor of India or Pakistan. So please quit pigeon holing me. My loyalty is to the Star Spangled Banner you see in my signatures.

3) There is no law that says there have to be gradual increase in any budget. It is their money and they'll use it as they wish to. You and I have nothing to worry about. If they want to spend it all on jets, they will. We don't have a say in it.
Yaar All in all Oranzaib bhai what can i read from yr post is that u are writing all this as an american and naturally favoring 'its line of sight' (im actually a PhD student from National Defence University in International Relations, so i know a few this and can analyze myself a few things since im not an ordinary indian or pakistani in the forum). But im a pakistani and pak's long term interests matter to me only. Because we lost just too much from this WOT. For all this u stated to actually happen and keep on happening even after 3 decades Pakistan's relations with its neighbors are above all including with India and entertaining their sensitivities are a must to ensure that not just pak individually but this region as a whole has to grow so that our economic pursuit must remain stable. We are looking to right now just maintain 4% growth rate. We dont claim much here since no matter slow but gradual rate of growth can ensure our better survival in the future for our children and their children. Atleast thats what we have learnt from our experience since 60s, 80s and 2000s economic boom.

So i woud say lets not count on the chickens before they are hatched and lets not jump too much abt ''what will happen or not'' because the threat from the indian radicals is real and now their more then ever influence on the indian bureaucracy is REAL so dont take these words for granted.

So in International Relations view our relations with Iran specially if we are not entertaining the indians are very very i mean really very important since that threat is real and iran is not pak who can be contained for just a shush or shut up call for long term. What u are saying is a very temporary solution ie will last for just the analysis for 3 decades. What im saying as a pakistani and as a IR student is the long term regional stability which will in future directly influence our economic boom. So relations with iran are very very important (i repeat), dont take it wrong or personal but i as a pakistani and u as an american have difference in the sense we see the future of this region and specially our pakistan here. I agree with rest in yr reply and wholeheartedly agree but in order to ensure that in the long term our relations right now will effect our future economic stability either it remain in just 4% or may go more. Look i dont in any sense saying we should buy iran's gas or give it leverages in order to dictate its terms on us in future but just saying they must not be cornered. Since our relations with iran are historic and will be always important as the indian threat is still real no matter we take it out of picture or not to settle disputes as of now but if we ignore it completely in future it might come back to haunt us. Pak ignoring Iran completely will be seen in iran as pak's loyalty with western interests which is primarily to isolate iran economically to save israeli and american interests in west bank and greater middle east. So atleast a SAARC entry for iran in the next meeting in islamabad is feasible as of now or any other deal with them which satisfies them as of now and in future more and more trade deals depending upon the Global atmosphere can be done to make sure iran dont get involved under indian influence that it signs the defence deal. Since Pak is capable to tackle them or not is not the question but the long term regional stability is the question @haman10 @nair

We saw why india has still not signed the Rafael deal and the clue of what im saying can be found there. Like i said before International relations are sometimes like having more then one wife. Both need to engaged and must to kept happy for yr own good. Or like a moderator in PDF.
But We (as a whole) aint stupid like indians if u know what i mean! @Irfan Baloch
 
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  • All depends on the budget dost. $7 Billion is no match with Indian defence budget. If we manage to have at least $20 Billion next year then it is very likely that PAF would consider buying Russian jets. SU-35 would be much better option. AND we should stop relying on F16s now. Its a good aircraft but not the best.

The convenient truth... I heard many Paksiatni badmouthing Su27 family.. Now how come Su27 family become Good???
 
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The convenient truth... I heard many Paksiatni badmouthing Su27 family.. Now how come Su27 family become Good???

The point is who will sell them even basic su-27??
Forget about su-35 which bests even mki:sarcastic:

Yaar All in all Oranzaib bhai what can i read from yr post is that u are writing all this as an american and naturally favoring 'its line of sight' (im actually a PhD student from National Defence University in International Relations, so i know a few this and can analyze myself a few things since im not an ordinary indian or pakistani in the forum). But im a pakistani and pak's long term interests matter to me only. Because we lost just too much from this WOT. For all this u stated to actually happen and keep on happening even after 3 decades Pakistan's relations with its neighbors are above all including with India and entertaining their sensitivities are a must to ensure that not just pak individually but this region as a whole has to grow so that our economic pursuit must remain stable. We are looking to right now just maintain 4% growth rate. We dont claim much here since no matter slow but gradual rate of growth can ensure our better survival in the future for our children and their children. Atleast thats what we have learnt from our experience since 60s, 80s and 2000s economic boom.

So i woud say lets not count on the chickens before they are hatched and lets not jump too much abt ''what will happen or not'' because the threat from the indian radicals is real and now their more then ever influence on the indian bureaucracy is REAL so dont take these words for granted.

So in International Relations view our relations with Iran specially if we are not entertaining the indians are very very i mean really very important since that threat is real and iran is not pak who can be contained for just a shush or shut up call for long term. What u are saying is a very temporary solution ie will last for just the analysis for 3 decades. What im saying as a pakistani and as a IR student is the long term regional stability which will in future directly influence our economic boom. So relations with iran are very very important (i repeat), dont take it wrong or personal but i as a pakistani and u as an american have difference in the sense we see the future of this region and specially our pakistan here. I agree with rest in yr reply and wholeheartedly agree but in order to ensure that in the long term our relations right now will effect our future economic stability either it remain in just 4% or may go more. Look i dont in any sense saying we should buy iran's gas or give it leverages in order to dictate its terms on us in future but just saying they must not be cornered. Since our relations with iran are historic and will be always important as the indian threat is still real no matter we take it out of picture or not to settle disputes as of now but if we ignore it completely in future it might come back to haunt us. Pak ignoring Iran completely will be seen in iran as pak's loyalty with western interests which is primarily to isolate iran economically to save israeli and american interests in west bank and greater middle east. So atleast a SAARC entry for iran in the next meeting in islamabad is feasible as of now.

We saw why india has still not signed the Rafael deal and the clue of what im saying can be found there. Like i said before International relations are sometimes like having more then one wife. Both need to engaged and must to kept happy for yr own good. Or like a moderator in PDF.
But We (as a whole) aint stupid like indians if u know what i mean! @Irfan Baloch


Dosen't look like u are a serious unbiased analyst at all.
 
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Not only now they will never go for SU-35 what I can see after ten years is PAF with more than 200 JF-17 Thunder BLOCK II 100 F-16 minimum and there is high possibility of we go for 3 squadrons of J-10 B I mean 52 to 60 Jets and may be even more as for F-16 we currently have 75 if we get the money we my try to go for 40 more F-16 Block 52 I mean new ones from USA but can't say for sure but SU-35 no way hell no




200 FC1
100 F16
60 J10 B
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360 4 Gen fighter..
If wishes were horses
Beggars would ride:
If turnips were bayonets:
I would wear one by my side:
 
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The point is who will sell them even basic su-27??
Forget about su-35 which bests even mki:sarcastic:




Dosen't look like u are a serious unbiased analyst at all.
read again now with a cool mind. We aint yr enemy like i always say, its our country's interests that r important for us.
 
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The convenient truth... I heard many Paksiatni badmouthing Su27 family.. Now how come Su27 family become Good???

SU-27 is quite old now.I hope you know about this. Don't know about others but its my personal opinion that if PAF would consider buying Russian jets then this option would be better if budget allows.
 
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SU-27 is quite old now.I hope you know about this. Don't know about others but its my personal opinion that if PAF would consider buying Russian jets then this option would be better if budget allows.


Look like u didn't read my post carefully.. I said Su27 Family...
Su 27 to Su35BM all are Su27 Family..
 
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Look like u didn't read my post carefully.. I said Su27 Family...
Su 27 to Su35BM all are Su27 Family..

I have mate. Reason why I said SU35 'only' because its a latest fighter jet with latest technology of course.
 
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SU-27 is quite old now.I hope you know about this. Don't know about others but its my personal opinion that if PAF would consider buying Russian jets then this option would be better if budget allows.

Its not on offer and will never be.
 
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