PAKISTAN, SOUTH KOREA SIGN MAJOR DEFENCE COOPERATION AGREEMENT

[Battlion25]

if a fully-fledged war does happen, Pakistan will lose and wouldn't be able to hold back

You gotta be kidding me... There is no way India can win a conventional war against Pakistan not now nor in the future.

1. Terrain: The landscape is always a bitxht in wars and Pakistan has a treacherous terrain and if all you laymen didn't learn anything from the Ukraine war you will never learn anything about conventional warfare. India is in defensive posture currently and coming in offensively will only open them up later on the counter like a domino effect because coming in conventionally offensive into an impregnable fortress high altitude rockie terrain will yield nothing for them except wasting a vaste of their resources and forces leading to an swift counter-attack leaving them thin in the behind..

2. In a nuclear warfare the one with the most mountainous terrain will be effected less which once again favours Pakistan. The stragetic weapons blasts will be cut off from many areas via mountain barriers leaving vaste areas un-touched which won't be the case on the otherside

3. The Indians ain't about this life and the 1000 years of rule was never a fluke. Once shove comes to push and things becomes existential and they are pushed to the limit they will fold. Pakistan has technically much more motivated individuals who can weather the storm better and seek martyrdom they have been fighting for much longer where as the cow-belt Indians can't outlast the grite and determination. Plus there is a deep stragetic dept that is even more mountainous..

4. If India was even to send in 1 mio forces and it's entire army they will perish inside the treacherous terrain and won't even reach deep into the country before the counter-attack overruns the northern states of India and based on only this fact India's posture is defensive against Pakistan since the Kabul regime change as this could provide Pakistan with a larger scope of stragetic dept including extremely favourable terrains that can sollow enemies whole and harsh areas to compete in.

5. It depends on who is the leader but if push were to come to shove Pakistan could roll over India after a war of attrition. Alot of people assume all of India's population gives it edge but if you destroy India's armed forces it is entirely yours. These pacifists, vegetarians and yoga loving individuals aren't cut out exactly for a life of wear and tear..

6. India is a foe Pakistan can realistically annex entirely on the conventional level as many elements favour them quite surprisingly but India will put up a fight but Pakistan will roll over them in an all out existential conflict wearing them out when the conditions become harsh on the populations due to nuclear winters as Pakistan's tolerance and grite is also far greater then that of the indian vegetarians and pacifists.

 

[etylo]

Pakistan made the right decision to acquire Chinese weapons from top range fighter jets ship’s tanks submarines, and there is always the J20 stealth jets awaiting for us to purchase. We are very happy with our tested friendship with China and NK , SK is a USA puppet used to help Indian against our 2 countries.

Yeah, SK is a colony of US literally, if it wants to sell any advanced weapons to Pakistan, it will have to get permission from US first. As for J 20, its possible that China will make them available to pakistan in the future as needs arises in pakistan as India inches towards 5th gen fighters. Currently, there huge demands on Chinese airforce for J 20 to counter the US, Japan and SK 5th gen fighters in the Pacific.

 

[TheSolution]

You gotta be kidding me... There is no way India can win a conventional war against Pakistan not now nor in the future.

1. Terrain: The landscape is always a bitxht in wars and Pakistan has a treacherous terrain and if all you laymen didn't learn anything from the Ukraine war you will never learn anything about conventional warfare. India is in defensive posture and coming in offensively will only up them up later on the defensive because coming in conventional offensive into an impregnable will yield nothing for them except wasting a vaste of their resources and forces leading to an swift counter-attack leaving them thin in the behind..

2. In a nuclear warfare the one with the most mountainous terrain will be effected less which once again favours Pakistan. The stragetic weapons blasts will be cut off from many areas via mountain barriers leading vaste areas un-touched which won't be the case on the otherside

3. The Indians ain't about this life and the 1000 years of rule was never a fluke. Once shove comes to push and things comes existential and they pushed to the limit they will fold. Pakistan has technically motivated individuals who can weather any storm and seek martyrdom they have been fighting for much longer where as the cow-belt Indians can't much the grite and determination of the Pakistani's. Plus there is a deep stragetic dept that is even more mountainous..

4. If India was even to send in 1 mio forces and it's entire army they will perish inside this treacherous terrain won't even reach deep into the country before the counter-attack overruns the northern states of India and based on only this fact India's posture is defensive against Pakistan since the Kabul regime change as this could provide Pakistan with a larger scope of stragetic dept including extremely favourable terrains that can sollow enemies whole and harsh areas to compete in.

5. It depends on who is the leader but if push were to come to shove Pakistan could roll over India after a war of attrition. Alot of people assume all of India's population gives it edge but if you destroy the India's armed forces it is entirely yours. These pacifists, vegetarians and yoga loving individuals aren't cut out exactly a life of wear and tear..

6. India is a foe Pakistan can realistically annex entirely on the conventional level as many elements favour them quite surprisingly but India will put up a fight but Pakistan will roll them over in an all out existential conflict eventually wearing them out when the conditions become harsh on the populations due to nuclear winters as Pakistan's tolerance and grite is also far greater then that of the indian vegetarians and pacifists.

Someone give me whatever this guy's smoking

 

[Signalian]

3. The U.S. encourages South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms.

It's starting to look like that's where Washington wants to steer things.

ROK is trying what USA usually does, sell arms to both nations (Ind-Pak), win-win for everyone. Needs of both nations are satisfied.

 

[SQ8]

You gotta be kidding me... There is no way India can win a conventional war against Pakistan not now nor in the future.

1. Terrain: The landscape is always a bitxht in wars and Pakistan has a treacherous terrain and if all you laymen didn't learn anything from the Ukraine war you will never learn anything about conventional warfare. India is in defensive posture currently and coming in offensively will only open them up later on the counter like a domino effect because coming in conventionally offensive into an impregnable fortress high altitude rockie terrain will yield nothing for them except wasting a vaste of their resources and forces leading to an swift counter-attack leaving them thin in the behind..

2. In a nuclear warfare the one with the most mountainous terrain will be effected less which once again favours Pakistan. The stragetic weapons blasts will be cut off from many areas via mountain barriers leaving vaste areas un-touched which won't be the case on the otherside

3. The Indians ain't about this life and the 1000 years of rule was never a fluke. Once shove comes to push and things comes existential and they pushed to the limit they will fold. Pakistan has technically motivated individuals who can weather any storm and seek martyrdom they have been fighting for much longer where as the cow-belt Indians can't much the grite and determination of the Pakistani's. Plus there is a deep stragetic dept that is even more mountainous..

4. If India was even to send in 1 mio forces and it's entire army they will perish inside this treacherous terrain won't even reach deep into the country before the counter-attack overruns the northern states of India and based on only this fact India's posture is defensive against Pakistan since the Kabul regime change as this could provide Pakistan with a larger scope of stragetic dept including extremely favourable terrains that can sollow enemies whole and harsh areas to compete in.

5. It depends on who is the leader but if push were to come to shove Pakistan could roll over India after a war of attrition. Alot of people assume all of India's population gives it edge but if you destroy the India's armed forces it is entirely yours. These pacifists, vegetarians and yoga loving individuals aren't cut out exactly a life of wear and tear..

6. India is a foe Pakistan can realistically annex entirely on the conventional level as many elements favour them quite surprisingly but India will put up a fight but Pakistan will roll them over in an all out existential conflict eventually wearing them out when the conditions become harsh on the populations due to nuclear winters as Pakistan's tolerance and grite is also far greater then that of the indian vegetarians and pacifists.

The entire content of this post
A. Is built on self grandeur and delusion - with no actual but a lot of fictional historical context

B. Completely ignorant of geography as well and the way nuclear weapons behave or even basic things like wind.. written in the prose of a 8 year old child

C. Not worth the effort to say anything else

ROK is trying what USA usually does, sell arms to both nations, win-win for everyone. Needs of both nations are satisfied.

Also known as looking out for their national interests

 

[kingQamaR]

If the situation is that hopelessness why haven’t your Hindus & Punjabi Sikhs overrun you and invaded your homeland then! You think Indians would be just like putin happy with what they have ?

Tut tut tut ,

 

[Battlion25]

The entire content of this post
A. Is built on self grandeur and delusion - with no actual but a lot of fictional historical context

B. Completely ignorant of geography as well and the way nuclear weapons behave or even basic things like wind.. written in the prose of a 8 year old child

C. Not worth the effort to say anything else


Also known as looking out for their national interests

I am well versed in conventional probabilities and I was perhaps the only one who predicted the outcome of the Russia-Ukraine war. I was the only one on this boards who could forsee this long drawn out struggle stalemate..

How did I know this?..... Because I know this things and believe me not many experts are around this block except very few like max 2 others.

Yes.. if you drop a nuclear bomb behind mountains that face a city the mountain will shield the explosion from reaching cities not far from it and if you remove the mountain the fire will eat it's way into more... You don't need to be genius to know this...

The only way India is gonna walk thru Pakistan's armed to the teeth armed forces in one of the most treacherous landscape terrains on planet earth is only if you think this is some sort of Dragon Ball Z cartoon and believe in super-saiyan or in that matter santa-clause and all that stuff... If Russia can't do it on a flat-land against freaking Ukraine what makes you think they can here... As I said a large offensive drains their resources quickly making things easier for Pakistan on the rebound leaving the Indians extremely thin at the back... It is like in an attempt to swim far but run out of energy only about 100km into the ocean and not saving any energy on the return swim back

 

[kingQamaR]

Yeah, SK is a colony of US literally, if it wants to sell any advanced weapons to Pakistan, it will have to get permission from US first. As for J 20, its possible that China will make them available to pakistan in the future as needs arises in pakistan as India inches towards 5th gen fighters. Currently, there huge demands on Chinese airforce for J 20 to counter the US, Japan and SK 5th gen fighters in the Pacific.

Then it begs me to ask you made a valid point here , why don’t these silly Pakistanis travel to USA , and buy of them directly instead of deals thru 3rd parties. SK who have no control over what they sell us SK is an assembly plant for USA with their own small modifications to the end products are all mostly from USA and German. And are all prone to sanctions. China only country USA struggles with has it has zero leverage over you well done Chinese peoples our ally neighbour

 

[Gripen9]

@SQ8 @MastanKhan

New theory.

1. Pakistan gives up on Kashmir.
2. Pakistan stops collaborating with China.
3. The U.S. encourages South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms.
4. Pakistan re-orients focus towards Afghanistan and Iran.

It's starting to look like that's where Washington wants to steer things.

So you concede the cornerstone of your foreign policy (Kashmir) and abdicate on your strategic relationship with a super power (China) for some scraps from third party players?

If Pak Leadership agrees to it, then shame on them.

Had it been a major Pak-Us relationship reset with 12B of CSF released and access to US weaponry along with major economic support package, then you could look at that.

 

[PakFactor]

The entire content of this post
A. Is built on self grandeur and delusion - with no actual but a lot of fictional historical context

B. Completely ignorant of geography as well and the way nuclear weapons behave or even basic things like wind.. written in the prose of a 8 year old child

C. Not worth the effort to say anything else


Also known as looking out for their national interests

Reading his post justified my position on why we will lose even more in a war when your pool of talent is spoon-fed, Shahadat-inspired individuals willing to fall on the sword. Critical thinking of that soldier goes out the window while the officer pack's his bag to go to Dubai once the instrument of surrender is signed.

War of 1948 - Took only half of Kashmir after a surprise factor and got pushed back.
War of 1965 - Didn't gain anything and back to status quo.
War of 1971 - Lost half your country.
Kargil Conflict - Forced to retreat under international pressure, your PM wanted the COAS to land in India, with whom you were in conflict.

I genuinely want to see how, when push comes to shove; we'll strip the Indians naked within our borders if they invade, and then we walk out of our fortress and conquer Hindustan.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

So you concede the cornerstone of your foreign policy (Kashmir) and abdicate on your strategic relationship with a super power (China) for some scraps from third party players?

If Pak Leadership agrees to it, then shame on them.

Had it been a major Pak-Us relationship reset with 12B of CSF released and access to US weaponry along with major economic support package, then you could look at that.

Personally, I'd rather we be the next China. Even if we get isolated, sanctioned, etc, I genuinely believe that with sincere and adept policymakers at the helm, we'll carve our own way and succeed.

However, as an observer, I can see Pakistan conceding Kashmir and China, and being content with scraps. What have they done for Pakistan internally (esp. from an economic and political development standpoint) to tell us they'll do wonders externally? We're having this conversation today because our leaders have brought us to this position through their malaise and incompetence.

 

[Jango]

By that time the food shortage will hit and true misery will begin. No one will care for Jalsas or election’s anymore

Anyway,
Lets focus on what SK would be providing

Maybe food?

 

[etylo]

Then it begs me to ask you made a valid point here , why don’t these silly Pakistanis travel to USA , and buy of them directly instead of deals thru 3rd parties. SK who have no control over what they sell us SK is an assembly plant for USA with their own small modifications to the end products are all mostly from USA and German. And are all prone to sanctions. China only country USA struggles with has it has zero leverage over you well done Chinese peoples our ally neighbour

It might be inconvienent for US to sell advanced weapons to Pakistan becos of India objection and Afghan situation. But, I also doubt US is willing to sell advanced defence tech to Pakistan through SK.

 

[Battlion25]

Reading his post justified my position on why we will lose even more in a war. Lol.

The only way that can happen is if Pakistan disarmed itself entirely meaning only saving AK47s and light arms and nuking itself during a civil war leading to it's population becoming half of it's current situation or perhaps even a separated pakistan into 4 smaller countries etc etc but not the current formation of Pakistan and with this military strength.. Other then that they ain't punching thru Pakistan's armed forces and defensive front in this treacherous landscapes... It is a fore gone conclusion

I am not being biased or anything.. Pakistan has to start to tear itself apart in order for India to have such a probability outcome but they can't with current Pakistan

 

[PakFactor]

Personally, I'd rather we be the next China. Even if we get isolated, sanctioned, etc, I genuinely believe that with sincere and adept policymakers at the helm, we'll carve our own way and succeed.

However, as an observer, I can see Pakistan conceding Kashmir and China, and being content with scraps. What have they done for Pakistan internally (esp. from an economic and political development standpoint) to tell us they'll do wonders externally? We're having this conversation today because our leaders have brought us to this position through their malaise and incompetence.

I never thought I would see you admitting Kashmir is a lost cause. This conversation should have been started right after 9/11; unfettered US intervention within Pakistan's internal policy-making and foreign affairs has neutered Pakistan.

It's total negligence with no long-term thinking.