PAKISTAN, SOUTH KOREA SIGN MAJOR DEFENCE COOPERATION AGREEMENT

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

US understands pakistan is balancing between US and China.. US wants pakistan to open up to India., retain trade with china but not support 1 china policy. .

Agree

 

[imadul]

Kutton ki bhi koi zindgi ha ? Kabhi kisi k dar par kabhi ksi k dar par , jo roti daly ga dum hila dain ga

Mir Jaffar and Mir Sadiq in our DNA.
It is a hollow state and this Army of Colonial masters is not here to defend Pakistan but its own influence.

 

[COOKie LOOkie....]

@SQ8 @MastanKhan

New theory.

1. Pakistan gives up on Kashmir.
2. Pakistan stops collaborating with China.
3. The U.S. encourages South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms.
4. Pakistan re-orients focus towards Afghanistan and Iran.

It's starting to look like that's where Washington wants to steer things.

I say just make Pakistan a US state the same way Puerto rico is. atleast everyone will get better lives. I mean army is fulfilling their every demand like a loyal dog. might as well get their lives better.

 

[TNT]

I think the Chinese collaboration will continue but at a lower level so likely no 5th gen from there.
However, no warm water ports for China in case they feel its time to heat up thing’s similar to Russia.

The steering is that Kashmir gets resolved at the LOC - Siachen is locked in at AGPL(or whatever acronym that is).
Hafiz Saeed is neutralized and Dawood disappears.

MFN is resumed - any election rhetoric from India is fixed with F-16 patrols and calming from the US.

Pakistan focuses on policing Afghanistan and partly Iran.

In return - to your point. F-16s get upgrades and new ones might show up. Might even see engine’s released for ATAKs and EW cooperation comes from SK.

The military gets its “minimum deterrence” against India along with maintaining its rule using the internal plays of one feudal party against another with Mullah’s added for spice.

I am curious as to what this exact visit would entail in terms of items?
Ground vehicles are likely not the focus so either EW, electronics or weapons?

Whats the use of those weapons if Kashmir is abandoned? Most probably the generals will prefer islands and scholarships for kids and assets abroad over any weapons system.
Its also dumb to think Pakistan can handle Afghanistan and/or iran.

 

[kingQamaR]

And dont forget, Chinas geo-strategic location to Pakistan, China is connected to Pakistan through land, we are neighbours that cant be replaced by South Korea.

Both our countries geopolitics and economy interests are well aligned, the friendship between two was well tested , and China can supply Pakistan with various 100% made in China (sanctions - free) advanced weapons. This partnership is here to stay . This sounds more like South Korea paranoia with North Korea, probably deal has USA Japan blessing to puppet Seoul desperate Pakistan role ?

 

[etylo]

Both our countries geopolitics and economy interests are well aligned, the friendship between two was well tested , and China can supply Pakistan with various 100% made in China (sanctions - free) advanced weapons. This partnership is here to stay . This sounds more like South Korea paranoia with North Korea, probably deal has USA Japan blessing to puppet Seoul desperate Pakistan role ?

SK might be paranoid about Pakistans relation and cooperation with NK, trying to drive a wedge between the two, SK might be also trying to get closer to Pakistan to please uncle Sam too. Besides, I dont know what good weapons can SK supply to Pakistan, SK defence weaponary tech are pretty much dependent on US.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Sure you get hold of western tech whenever you can . It's the right thing to do

The Ukraine War has shown: 100% Russian style systems = 0% Western style systems = Death

 

[SaadH]

@SQ8 @MastanKhan

New theory.

1. Pakistan gives up on Kashmir.
2. Pakistan stops collaborating with China.
3. The U.S. encourages South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms.
4. Pakistan re-orients focus towards Afghanistan and Iran.

It's starting to look like that's where Washington wants to steer things.

And for what? some trinkets (little Johnny's budding corporate career in western MNC, General sahab's farm house in Belgium, Popa Johan franchises and cushy post retirement gigs at western think tanks)

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

And for what? some trinkets (little Johnny's budding corporate career in western MNC, General sahab's farm house in Belgium, Popa Johan franchises and cushy post retirement gigs at western think tanks)

When have Pakistani policymakers thought about anything more than shiny trinkets to occupy their minds?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

And for what? some trinkets (little Johnny's budding corporate career in western MNC, General sahab's farm house in Belgium, Popa Johan franchises and cushy post retirement gigs at western think tanks)

Exactly. Aren't those the KPIs our leaders generally care about?

Are we honestly past the stage of ignoring a slick PAF video with F-16V and KF-21s sung by Sahir Ali Bhaga?

 

[SQ8]

Who you will use against what SK shall provide?
You are living in fools paradise and can't see that the King or CoAS is Naked.
When you occupy your own country there is nothing to defend!!
You are not stronger than USSR.
Equipment don't matter in a disillusioned state filled with disenfranchised people.

Again, no value to the actual topic and hot air rhetoric assuming that somehow I disagree with the leadership conundrum…and if you want to copy paste it in the remaining 230 active threads it is your right but that just puts you on the ignore list of three sentence fish market mongers

One strategically valuable area of collaboration is naval development.

Ironically, this is the one "big" area the U.S. seems to like seeing us develop and India doesn't care about.

Namely, no matter what the PN does at this point will affect the capability of the IN. The IN is ahead in the surface and aviation domains, and will likely remain so. Even if the PN reaches its ideal state, the most the IN loses is its ability to impose a MEZ in the Arabian Sea. However, India can live with that because it can still maintain its trade links to the Gulf in contested waters.

Thus far, the U.S. hasn't stopped the PN from securing ITAR-grade inputs for the Babur-class corvette or Sea Sultan LRMPA.

On America's part, there seems to be an intentional willingness to let the PN develop. Short of literally building a fleet as large as India's, there's nothing the PN could do in its build-up that'd strategically threaten India. The only potential thing was the specter of an SSN or SSBN, but that won't happen due to various factors (e.g., iron brother now stainless steel brother, Daku Dar and Maryam Nawaz Senpai).

So, I can see the PN potentially stepping up its collaboration with the South Korean industry, esp. for critical inputs for future NRDI-designed ships. Heck, the PN might even pursue ROK-designed conventional submarines. Basically, the 'worst' that can happen for India is that the PN builds a really good A2/AD setup, but that in itself doesn't threaten India.

tbh, I actually wonder if the U.S. would go ahead and release the AH-1Zs if they went to the PN/Marines and, in turn, used for elaborate peacekeeping or U.S.-led coalition purposes.

As far as I know the Zulus were locked up because Pakistan refused to pay with anything other than aid or csf for them

 

[kingQamaR]

SK might be paranoid about Pakistans relation and cooperation with NK, trying to drive a wedge between the two, SK might be also trying to get closer to Pakistan to please uncle Sam too. Besides, I dont know what good weapons can SK supply to Pakistan, SK defence weaponary tech are pretty much dependent on US.

Pakistan made the right decision to acquire Chinese weapons from top range fighter jets ship’s tanks submarines, and there is always the J20 stealth jets awaiting for us to purchase. We are very happy with our tested friendship with China and NK , SK is a USA puppet used to help Indian against our 2 countries.

 

[SQ8]

Whats the use of those weapons if Kashmir is abandoned? Most probably the generals will prefer islands and scholarships for kids and assets abroad over any weapons system.
Its also dumb to think Pakistan can handle Afghanistan and/or iran.

Kashmir was lost in 65.. any hope during Kargil conflict - anything else is delusional and built on ignorance and bravado
Commissions come from weapons procurement which can be put to personal profit.

Pakistan can easily handle Afghanistan and act as a police model for it. Iran isn’t being tackled alone, the GCC bloc is happy to help.

Either way, the overall defense collaboration with SK goes beyond that

 

[Signalian]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580257607415365633

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580257626176512000

Will ROK stop supplying more K-9s to India ?

 

[TheSolution]

Chinese camp is great until you realise they charged us 245% markup on CPEC energy projects and took billions in overpayments. Chinese are no friend, they do what will help them, we need to do the same

i remember back in the day SK was pitching EW gear towards us

Exactly, Pakistanis are so obsessed with having "friends", your only friend should be yourself and everything else is political based on what brings the most benefit.