Pakistan Should Produce More Nuclear Weapons If No F16's

[shah1398]

US has as much surveillance in Pakistan as we let them think they have.
For example this missile was left out in the open for satellites to see.View attachment 303516

Its more like we wanted them to see it if the pic is authentic

 

[$@rJen]

Nope we require a 4++ Gen fighter fighter...in Pakistan quantity doesn't matter quality does...

That's what I said.... and F16 is 4++ jet

 

[PDF]

Increasing stockpiles is not a good idea. Also we do not have unlimited access to the required materials. If we wanted to irk US, make ICBM and SLBM.
With every thing said, it is highly ill - advised to react in such a way.
These recent developments will help Pakistan.
Right now, let the game take its course itself.

 

[vsdave2302]

Hi,

Let the U S stop the sale----. Pakistan must increase the production of nuclear weapons by at least a 1000%.

So if the U S wants to cut off the conventional power base---no problem---let us increase the nuclear threshold---.

The U S senators think that they got us by the ball joints---that is fine---let us increase the threshold---let us take the number of nuclear weapons to 500 at least---and let us start serious production of ICBM's---and other missile systems---.

If the U S wants to play the game---that is fine----two can play it better---. Let us see who blinks first.

Are mastan bhai what about the idea of having more Nuclear weapon and F 16 togather?

I think it will make Pakistan even more stronger.

 

[RealNapster]

Lobbying is legal in US almost all the countries from Isreal,Germany,Ausralia ,Japan is doing **** sucking ..I mean lobbying. Even you guys had good influence with US and still do so what do you call yourself

**** SUCKERS ........

 

[Rank]

Force start - ICBM .... U.S. cant do anything!

"Gen. Allen of US Army already admitted that U.S. can't do anything against Pakistan because of many reasons one of Nuclear WMD"

 

[Mssniper966]

That's what I said.... and F16 is 4++ jet

Nope it is not...it is only 4th gen or 4+ gen....there are 4,4+,4.5 and then 4++ gen.....


4 Supersonic (limited purpose) (1955–70): F-104, MiG-21, Mirage III 1970 to 1990 : maneuverability : F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, MiG-29, Su-27, Panavia Tornado, Mirage 2000 look-down/shoot-down : F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000, MiG-29 1970-~90. Swing-role : MiG-29, Su-27,F/A-18, F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000
4+ - - sensor fusion : Eurofighter Typhoon, Su-30, F/A-18E/F,Dassault Rafale -
4.5 - 1990 to 2000, enhanced : F/A-18E/F, Su-30, Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale - ~1990-~2000 multirole : F/A-18E/F, F-15SE, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale
4++ - - EASA : Su-35, F-15SE -
5 Supersonic (multirole) (1958–80): F-105, F-4,MiG-21, Mirage III, F-5, MiG-23, Mirage F1 2000- : F-22, F-35 stealth : F-22, F-35 2005- stealth : F-22, F-35, J-20, J-31
6 Supersonic multirole, high efficiency (1974-):F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, Mirage 2000, Panavia Tornado, MiG-29, Su-27 - proposed -

Nope it is not...it is only 4th gen or 4+ gen....there are 4,4+,4.5 and then 4++ gen.....


4 Supersonic (limited purpose) (1955–70): F-104, MiG-21, Mirage III 1970 to 1990 : maneuverability : F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, MiG-29, Su-27, Panavia Tornado, Mirage 2000 look-down/shoot-down : F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000, MiG-29 1970-~90. Swing-role : MiG-29, Su-27,F/A-18, F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000
4+ - - sensor fusion : Eurofighter Typhoon, Su-30, F/A-18E/F,Dassault Rafale -
4.5 - 1990 to 2000, enhanced : F/A-18E/F, Su-30, Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale - ~1990-~2000 multirole : F/A-18E/F, F-15SE, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale
4++ - - EASA : Su-35, F-15SE -
5 Supersonic (multirole) (1958–80): F-105, F-4,MiG-21, Mirage III, F-5, MiG-23, Mirage F1 2000- : F-22, F-35 stealth : F-22, F-35 2005- stealth : F-22, F-35, J-20, J-31
6 Supersonic multirole, high efficiency (1974-):F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, Mirage 2000, Panavia Tornado, MiG-29, Su-27 - proposed -

ignore the 6th gen....its a mistake...

 

[IceCold]

Hi,

Let the U S stop the sale----. Pakistan must increase the production of nuclear weapons by at least a 1000%.

So if the U S wants to cut off the conventional power base---no problem---let us increase the nuclear threshold---.

The U S senators think that they got us by the ball joints---that is fine---let us increase the threshold---let us take the number of nuclear weapons to 500 at least---and let us start serious production of ICBM's---and other missile systems---.

If the U S wants to play the game---that is fine----two can play it better---. Let us see who blinks first.

Sir for that approach to happen, we need to have a government and not this pathetic excuse of a government of Nawaz Sharif who is busy defending his corruption but a real nationalist government who can play hard ball with the americans. The US knows this and so does everybody else and hence they play hard ball with us. With or without F-16 our strategic calculus needs to have an ICBM and a second strike capability.

 

[Windjammer]

@MastanKhan , Sir, this is not mere a thought or suggestion, in an interview couple of days earlier, while commenting on the F-16 story, Sartaj Aziz did say that failure to supply us with conventional weapons will only mean and lead us to further build and rely on non conventional means.
In any case now even our worst enemy and critiques admit that over the years, sanctions and embargoes have been a blessing in disguise for Pakistan......and the US doesn't want to loose the little leverage it may hold on Pakistan.

 

[Immortan.Joe]

Hi,

Let the U S stop the sale----. Pakistan must increase the production of nuclear weapons by at least a 1000%.

So if the U S wants to cut off the conventional power base---no problem---let us increase the nuclear threshold---.

The U S senators think that they got us by the ball joints---that is fine---let us increase the threshold---let us take the number of nuclear weapons to 500 at least---and let us start serious production of ICBM's---and other missile systems---.

If the U S wants to play the game---that is fine----two can play it better---. Let us see who blinks first.

Do what you want ,but your advice is counterintutive. It consist of two parts: (1) Pakistan ,if it can, should produce ICBM. (2) Pakistan should increase its arsenal.

First about ICBM: It is a logical insurance policy. If US bombs (threatens) you to stone age, you could at least bomb them back to Iron age. That is a deterrence in itself, but it has few problems:

(i) Technological ability: All Pakistani missiles are copy of either Chinese or North Korean missiles. The first missile that Pakistan has designed from scratch is Nasr. It is too big a task for a country which does not have a space program and which has not done R&D for a missile with even three digit range to skip over to an ICBM with 10,000+Km range.

(ii) Gestation period: ICBMs have a long gestation period. By the time you first test it and the time it is operations, it would take years, even at express speed. A Pakistani ICBM would exclusively target USA and its development and testing would be like showing a red rag to a bull. In the time period between testing and induction, you would become target of USA's wrath. Pakistani nukes are useless against USA atm, and if it wants, it could easily do a Iraq on you. Your Airforce ,by virtue of operating only F-16 as its frontline fighter, is even weaker than Iraqi Airforce, and your Navy is objectively non-existent.

(iii) Money: US has only stopped dole. If you have money you could still buy those F-16s, or could buy Euro-canards (except Rafael) or Chinese plane.


Second about Nukes: Nukes are costlier than an Aircraft ,both in production and maintenance. If you have money for more nukes, you have money for more planes. Nukes, beyond a certain point are useless, but conventional capability is infinitely additive.


+ Even at your maximum capacity you could not have more than 200 Nukes.

 

[$@rJen]

Nope it is not...it is only 4th gen or 4+ gen....there are 4,4+,4.5 and then 4++ gen.....


4 Supersonic (limited purpose) (1955–70): F-104, MiG-21, Mirage III 1970 to 1990 : maneuverability : F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, MiG-29, Su-27, Panavia Tornado, Mirage 2000 look-down/shoot-down : F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000, MiG-29 1970-~90. Swing-role : MiG-29, Su-27,F/A-18, F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000
4+ - - sensor fusion : Eurofighter Typhoon, Su-30, F/A-18E/F,Dassault Rafale -
4.5 - 1990 to 2000, enhanced : F/A-18E/F, Su-30, Su-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale - ~1990-~2000 multirole : F/A-18E/F, F-15SE, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale
4++ - - EASA : Su-35, F-15SE -
5 Supersonic (multirole) (1958–80): F-105, F-4,MiG-21, Mirage III, F-5, MiG-23, Mirage F1 2000- : F-22, F-35 stealth : F-22, F-35 2005- stealth : F-22, F-35, J-20, J-31
6 Supersonic multirole, high efficiency (1974-):F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, Mirage 2000, Panavia Tornado, MiG-29, Su-27 - proposed -

ignore the 6th gen....its a mistake...

Don't know about 4++ but blk 52 a damn good fighter that pakistan can get compared to older
versions
so from where you gonna get 4++ fighters. ..China doesn't have any..European is expensive than American ones.. Russia ??? Not gonna happen..... F16 is the most avaliable one... along with J series... but establishing a new fighter is no walk in the park...

 

[Mav3rick]

Anything else, Kim? Doing that only ensures India and the US become closer at Pakistan's expense.

The US is already actively involved in arming India to the teeth and will continue to do so in the considerable future. While the US interest in India is China specific, the arming of Indian Military with US made weapons directly affects Pakistan too as in case of a war the same US weapons will be used against Pakistan.

Basically, no matter what Pakistan has done or can do in the future, US will continue to get closer to India for apparent reasons.

 

[Mssniper966]

Don't know about 4++ but blk 52 a damn good fighter that pakistan can get compared to older
versions
so from where you gonna get 4++ fighters. ..China doesn't have any..European is expensive than American ones.. Russia ??? Not gonna happen..... F16 is the most avaliable one... along with J series... but establishing a new fighter is no walk in the park...

That is why PAF is pursuing j31....
Oh..,I won't worry about aircrafts upto4.5 Gen as even jf17 block 3 can counter them....to defeat 4++ we don't need a same aircraft,,,using advanced weaponry such as a darter missile...it would relieve us of some pressure...

That is why PAF is pursuing j31....
Oh..,I won't worry about aircrafts upto4.5 Gen as even jf17 block 3 can counter them....to defeat 4++ we don't need a same aircraft,,,using advanced weaponry such as a darter missile...it would relieve us of some pressure...

Refer to this thread...it is also an option https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-should-focus-more-on-developing-its-ballistic-missiles.429228/

 

[帅的一匹]

What so good of F16? What is that indulgence of PAF in it? Does J10b is not available for PAF? I'm curious. If the fcking damn Yankees can offer discount, so as China.the more PAF buys F16 to quench l, the more they get thirsty. I call it temporary relief with result in disaster.just look at the ground fact, USA is more like Indians than Pakistanis. Get few squadrons of J10b/c deal done, see what Ysnkees will react. Do tell them Pakistan has Choices!

@Mastan Khan the more you increase F16, the more the Yankees take Pakistan for granted. Just wait and see. J31 block 2 now is in the test, tell Yankees to **** F16.

 

[AbRaj]

What so good of F16? What is that indulgence of PAF in it? Does J10b is not available for PAF? I'm curious. If the fcking damn Yankees can offer discount, so as China.the more PAF buys F16 to quench l, the more they get thirsty. I call it temporary relief with result in disaster.just look at the ground fact, USA is more like Indians than Pakistanis. Get few squadrons of J10b/c deal done, see what Ysnkees will react. Do tell them Pakistan has Choices!

@Mastan Khan the more you increase F16, the more the Yankees take Pakistan for granted. Just wait and see. J31 block 2 now is in the test, tell Yankees to **** F16.

Oh its hilarious none the less
Since Chinese are a our enemies we like to see a similar "friendship/blackmailing" with Chinese too.
No need for ICBM, it's nasr time baby