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Pakistan should have attacked India during the Sino-Indian War of 1962

Shah of Iran and Ayub Khan both were American puppet dictators. America had long wanted India and Pakistan to fight against China, which Pakistan never accepted.

In 1962 China asked Pakistan to join the attack and liberate Kashmir from the Indian occupation. It was a blunder commited by Pakistan not to join, only to fight another war in three years later. Had we joined the Chinese, today Kashmir would be a free place and India would have been contained.

thats factually true..then,Pakistan and China was having tussle over Saksgam valley/Trans-Karakoram Tract and Sino-Pak relation was not so warming like later periods..now,I can't find any reference of China inviting Pakistan to a 2 front war against India..more like Ayub proposed a joint attack with India on China and helped India during 1962..though he wasn't a great fan of India..
 
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now you know why Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto said ayub ku++a hai , because that's exactly what ayub was, & I hate him from the bottom of my heart for that, even the Quaid e azam Jinnah dint like this ayub chap

In 1962, a territorial differences increased between India and People's Republic of China, the Beijing was planning to stage an invasion in northern territories of India. Zhou Enlai, Chinese Premier and Mao Zedong invited Pakistan to join the raid and extricate the rest of Indian-held Kashmir from Indian control .[16] Bhutto advocated for the plan , but President Ayub Khan oppose to plan he was feared of retreat by Indian troops .[16] Instead Ayub Khan proposed a "joint defence union" with India, Bhutto was shocked by such statement and felt Ayub Khan was unlettered in international affairs
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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And India should have attacked Pakistan during 2010 floods, Kashmir earthquake, Afghan war and NOW?! And nuked Pakistan in 1974?

Remember what happened in 1971, India got an unconditional surrender and still did not insist on Pakistan leaving J&K.

Get a life haters!!
 
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And India should have attacked Pakistan during 2010 floods, Kashmir earthquake, Afghan war and NOW?! And nuked Pakistan in 1974?

Remember what happened in 1971, India got an unconditional surrender and still did not insist on Pakistan leaving J&K.

Get a life haters!!

tum se kyun gila kare zalima ........
jab sanp hamare hi asteen mein tha......

what to complain to you dear rival
when the "snake" that bit us was from our house only

here this snake's joint india-pakistan whatever nonsense you want to call it, I call it as my leader Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto rightfully called it "betrayal" & "Treason"

http://www.hindu.com/fline/fl2411/images/20070615000308003.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Y9-xi5n9m...Mohammad%20Ayub%20Khan-Jawaharlal%20Nehru.jpg
 
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Ah yes of course; all that could have happened. Like the saying goes: If only Aunty had b@lls...........
You also left out the major "Gorilla in the room" (for you); i.e. "Chacha Sam miyan"!!
Chacha Sam was pulling all the strings in your country through the convenient means of CENTO and SEATO. Whatever little clout that you had in those years were kind courtesy of riding on Chacha Sam's coat-tails. Whether Economic or Military, everything was controlled by the benign Chacha Sam. Now if you jumped on Uncle Mao's band-wagon; then Chacha Sam would have turned completely malignant. And choked and smothered you out......

Remember Uncle Mao's China was a near zero in those days; very different from today's China.

So could you woo Uncle Mao and simultaneously fend off Chacha Sam?
In any case, Pakistan needed some Uncle or the other to keep going then.
So which one: Chacha Sam or Uncle Mao? One helluva Hobson's Choice!

Its true that Pakistan was tied up in CENTO & SEATO back then. However the underlying demand of Nehru was to bring Pakistan {A rouge breakaway province} back to 'Mother India'. Americans were 'against' Pakistan's creation and supported Nehru's demands throughout the 50s, only if he formally allies with the US and fights against the 'communist menace' if needed. The Nehru rejected an alliance with the US, only then the US came to Pakistan and formed the 'Asian pack', made up of Pakistan,Iran,Saudi Arabian dictators to contain the communism.

Pakistan was being pushed time and again to give up ties with China altogether as the US didn't want Pakistani green being painted red. President J.F Kennedy believed that Pakistan being an ideological Muslim state was a natural enemy of 'Godless China'. It didn't turn out to be true, as despite the ideological differences Pakistan reached out to China and formed relations. Having China as an enemy was the last thing we wanted as we were surrounded by India [USSR's ally] , and USSR itself [Just 90 miles away].

I believe attacking India with China in 1962 would have resulted in Kashmir's liberation as we had the manpower to inject in Kashmir from 3 axis,with locals being armed to join the fight, while China would take care of India from the points of entry,this would have resulted in choking Indian forces in Kashmir by denying them a supply line and reinforcements. A joint operation could have lead to destroying Indian ability to send reinforcements into Kashmir. This perhaps was the biggest opportunity missed in Pakistani history in regards to Kashmir liberation. It came back to roost in 1964,when PM Shahstri annexed Kashmir which sparked a war in 1965 anyway, which we had to fight on our own.
 
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Its true that Pakistan was tied up in CENTO & SEATO back then. However the underlying demand of Nehru was to bring Pakistan {A rouge breakaway province} back to 'Mother India'. Americans were 'against' Pakistan's creation and supported Nehru's demands throughout the 50s, only if he formally allies with the US and fights against the 'communist menace' if needed. The Nehru rejected an alliance with the US, only then the US came to Pakistan and formed the 'Asian pack', made up of Pakistan,Iran,Saudi Arabian dictators to contain the communism.

Pakistan was being pushed time and again to give up ties with China altogether as the US didn't want Pakistani green being painted red. President J.F Kennedy believed that Pakistan being an ideological Muslim state was a natural enemy of 'Godless China'. It didn't turn out to be true, as despite the ideological differences Pakistan reached out to China and formed relations. Having China as an enemy was the last thing we wanted as we were surrounded by India [USSR's ally] , and USSR itself [Just 90 miles away].

I believe attacking India with China in 1962 would have resulted in Kashmir's liberation as we had the manpower to inject in Kashmir from 3 axis,with locals being armed to join the fight, while China would take care of India from the points of entry,this would have resulted in choking Indian forces in Kashmir by denying them a supply line and reinforcements. A joint operation could have lead to destroying Indian ability to send reinforcements into Kashmir. This perhaps was the biggest opportunity missed in Pakistani history in regards to Kashmir liberation. It came back to roost in 1964,when PM Shahstri annexed Kashmir which sparked a war in 1965 anyway, which we had to fight on our own.

chief as you were in the military, what was the mood there ? why dint the soldiers simply removed this liability called ayub I mean just look @ the magnitude of his idiotic decision to led go of such an golden opportunity has made things so difficult now Vis-à-vis the the Kashmir dispute , that's my only complain from the armed forces
 
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chief as you were in the military, what was the mood there ? why dint the soldiers simply removed this liability called ayub I mean just look @ the magnitude of his idiotic decision to led go of such an golden opportunity has made things so difficult now Vis-à-vis the the Kashmir dispute , that's my only complain from the armed forces

Sorry, sir i am not ex military.

But i understand that during those times, the geopolitical situation had us anchored deep in washington and the west was showering their "love" at ayub as he had said that "Pakistan is a country where,the forces of the free world can land any time to defend democracy."

I personally, think that it was one of worst blunders of our history not to join the Chinese lead to attack India. The US was busy in Vietnam, they didn't have the ability to yet start another war, we could have used it as a smoke screen to liberate Kashmir. Now it may never happen as the Nuclear aspect has been added.
 
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A bad strategic decision. Yes Indeed Pakistan could have liberated Kashmir but it got a fair chance in 1965, 1971, 1998 etc and almost every time it failed. God is on our side. Just move on and forget it.
 
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Shah of Iran and Ayub Khan both were American puppet dictators. America had long wanted India and Pakistan to fight against China, which Pakistan never accepted.

In 1962 China asked Pakistan to join the attack and liberate Kashmir from the Indian occupation. It was a blunder commited by Pakistan not to join, only to fight another war in three years later. Had we joined the Chinese, today Kashmir would be a free place and India would have been contained.

Fear of communist Russia and their expansionist plans dictated the foreign policies of united states and Europe. China was not in the radar those days but was feared none the less. Pakistan being member of Cento would not have gone against the wishes of its members which included United States.
 
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Fear of communist Russia and their expansionist plans dictated the foreign policies of united states and Europe. China was not in the radar those days but was feared none the less. Pakistan being member of Cento would not have gone against the wishes of its members which included United States.

You will be surprised by the amount of attention given to the communist China by the US back then, because of its geographic location, its involvement in N.Korea and Vietnam. By saying that China was not on the radar you are just displaying a historical inaccuracy.
 
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This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. I started a thread on this years ago.
 
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Liu Chenshan, the author of a series of articles that chronicle the five times China has faced a nuclear threat since 1949, wrote that the most serious threat came in 1969 at the height of a bitter border dispute between Moscow and Beijing that left more than one thousand people dead on both sides.

He said Soviet diplomats warned Washington of Moscow's plans "to wipe out the Chinese threat and get rid of this modern adventurer," with a nuclear strike, asking the US to remain neutral.

But, he says, Washington told Moscow the United States would not stand idly by but launch its own nuclear attack against the Soviet Union if it attacked China, loosing nuclear missiles at 130 Soviet cities. The threat worked, he added, and made Moscow think twice, while forcing the two countries to regulate their border dispute at the negotiating table.

He quotes Soviet ministers and diplomats at the time to bolster his claim.

On 15 October 1969, he quotes Soviet premier Alexei Kosygin as telling Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev that Washington has drawn up "detailed plans" for a nuclear war against the USSR if it attacked China.

"[The United States] has clearly indicated that China's interests are closely related to theirs and they have mapped out detailed plans for nuclear war against us," Kosygin is said to have told Brezhnev.

That same day he says Anatoly Dobrynin, the Soviet ambassador to Washington, told Brezhnev something similar after consultations with US diplomats. "If China suffers a nuclear attack, they (the Americans) will deem it as the start of the third world war," Dobrynin said. "The Americans have betrayed us."

The historian claims that Washington saw the USSR as a greater threat than China and wanted a strong China to counter-balance Soviet power.

Then US President Richard Nixon was also apparently fearful of the effect of a nuclear war on 250,000 US troops stationed in the Asia-Pacific region and still smarting from a Soviet refusal five years earlier to stage a joint attack on China's nascent nuclear programme.

USSR planned nuclear attack on China in 1969 - Telegraph


Looks like China owes US something.
 
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International relations are more complicated than what is normally seen.

Russians had plan to annex entire Asia with their Soviet empire. Communism, whatever the hell it is, had nothing to do. It was and it is all about racial.

Had Russians been able to use nuclear strike against China and wipe out the Chinese as claimed above, they would have easily annexed Mongolia, China, North Korea, as well as India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh every south Asian country reaching Indian ocean.

Had there been no USA, we would have ended up being Russian speaking slaves of the Vodka drinking Russian masters. Communism my a$$ didn't matter to them, nor does it matter to them right now.
 
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no, it won't make any difference. pakistan was not very powerful at that time, india's military focus was on pakistani front not on chinese border. if pakistan attacked it would resulted same as that of 1965 war. india's air power was on western front. pakistan think that after 1962 war india become weak and cannot fight a war with pakistan. during that period pakistan done a military exercise in indo pak border as a show of its power. only after 1962 pak-china friendship become this much closer and china start giving military aid to pakistan. during Nehru's period india focus was on civil development not on military development, unlike india pakistan's focus was on military development, and pakistan spend 9% if its GDP as military spend. and its civil development was soo poor. Indira gandhi was the one who give military development as nation's primary objective. (you will get further details of pakistan during 60's google search)

Actually in long run spending money on setting industries, getting the feudal system abolished helped India progress. In hindsight it is not bad at all. We might have lacked in military but economic strength will take us to where we want.
 
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