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Pakistan should decide if it wants to talk to India or the separatists: Arun Jaitley
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Exactly, so why the Indian government is having anxiety attacks if Pakistan meets Hurriyat leaders, it is a common thing to do.
Without any resolution of Kashmir illegal occupation by India, talks will be useless with BJP govt anyways.
then get used to it, try Bangladesh they will listen to you
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LOL change the actual title by IBLIVE
"Pakistan must decide if it wants to talk to India or Hurriyat leaders: Indian defence minister"
"Pakistan must decide if it wants to talk to India or Hurriyat leaders: Indian defence minister"
when you gonna start maan, its been 70 years already
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Sadly yes....It has taken just too long to resolve a problem... Which should not have existed itself...All thanks to the great Chacha Nehru...
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I believe ...First of all , Indian Government should think why to talk to pakistan... ????.. .pakistan came into existence in the name of Islam and hate India concept... I would like to conclude starting that .....India is expecting Mango from Vachellia nilotica Tree from last 60+ years....
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Both sides understand it well. Pakistan knows that if they dont keep the kashmir issue hot all the time it will soon go into cold bag and get burried under siachen glacier. They leave no chance to keep the issue alive by raising the issue with anyone they come across or keep firing across the defacto border. Why they want the issue alive because its the only issue that unites and binds all pakistanis together. Its necessary for their political survival. No wonder they call it their jugular vein.
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Pakistan has been never serious about peace with India.
They want to avenge 1971 liberation of East Pakistan.
Every other argument and exercise is just futile.
Pakistan has been able to sustain its animosity with India very well (by their standards) without much repercussions. Therefore expecting anything positive is just waste of time. India has to learn to live with it but with much more lower threshold if any violence is thrust upon us from their side.
They want to avenge 1971 liberation of East Pakistan.
Every other argument and exercise is just futile.
Pakistan has been able to sustain its animosity with India very well (by their standards) without much repercussions. Therefore expecting anything positive is just waste of time. India has to learn to live with it but with much more lower threshold if any violence is thrust upon us from their side.
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The pertinent questions to be asked are perhaps: What is the common thing? Who decided what becomes the common thing?
Go back to 1993-95. There is a raging insurgency in Kashmir. Indian hold over J&K is tenuous at best. Streets in Pakistan and Kashmir are filled with anticipation, charged with excitement. Indian collapse is imminent, defeat of the IA and 'freedom' of Kashmir only a matter of time.
The government of Pakistan refuses any talks with India until and unless Kashmir is on the agenda. Without Kashmir, there is nothing to talk to India. The Indian government beseeches Pakistan, in futility, for unconditional talks. Indian pleas fall on uninterested ears.
Sounds familiar? Perhaps not. India asking for unconditional talks & Pak imposing conditions...It certainly isn't common now. Is it? But indulge me a bit more.
Go back, again, but this time to 1999. You're now in the Shadow of the Kargil conflict. Pakistan's international standing, despite becoming the newest member into the nuclear club, is at an all time low.
Pakistan wants deliberations with India on the future of Kashmir. However, for the first time, India puts forward their conditions for talks. Terrorism from Pakistan must stop for talks to proceed.
This is perhaps a little closer to the normal, right?
Again, Go back, for the final time, to 2004-05. Pakistan raises the demand for unconditional talks. India refuses. Talks will be dictated by the prevailing environment. Talks can only occur in the absence of violence.
Musharraf would agree, and thus began the CBMs. That was a decade back.
So I ask again. What is the normal?
In less than a generation, the Indian government has reversed the normal on Kashmir and on talks itself, flipped the discourse 180 degrees back at Pakistan.
You've heard, perhaps read, about social engineering. Well, this perhaps is an example of it. But I'd like to call this mindset engineering. For here, the very thoughts, the mindsets, of 190 million people have been tuned to such an effect that almost nobody realizes just how big the turnaround has been. For most Pakistanis, this is how it has always been. This has always been normal.
This doesn't imply that the Indian government or the Indian bureaucracy planned this with Confucian patience. This is perhaps just the pieces falling into the right spot at the right time. Indian government just fumbled their way into a strong position. Of course though, it has been aided in no small part by the shockingly bad diplomacy and the disturbing lack of foresight on the Pakistan side.
There is this interesting quote on the new normal: Because in the New Normal you are more worried about the return of your capital, not return on your capital.
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This is what an editorial in The Nation has to say:
A Change In Tune
November 06, 2014
After weeks of sabre-rattling, chest thumping and cultivated machismo, there seems to a slight shift in the tenor of India’s conversation. Arun Jaitley, the Indian Minister of Defence, offered a hint of an olive branch camouflaged within usual threats. India, he said, was “ready to speak to Pakistan” and is “willing to normalise the relationship” but “there are a few red lines”; chief amongst them, making a conscious choice to either talk to India or the Hurriyat leaders.
Whether this is a genuine attempt by the Indian side to normalise relations, or just lip service to the pacifist, victimhood narrative, remains to be seen. Such disillusionment is warranted considering how Mr Modi, unlike Mr Nawaz Sharif, has made absolutely no attempt at peace. Instead of behaving like the Prime Minister of the world’s largest democracy, he is playing the role of a small time BJP leader; shamelessly warmongering, stoking hate and pandering to populist and nationalist notions. Is this strategy? The Defence Minister initiates peace, which India too sorely needs, while the Prime Minister keeps up appearances to milk every last vote from the population? In any case, Pakistan’s response should remain the same.
The attack on Wagah has hopefully driven home the point that despite the blast being on the Indo-Pak border, the real enemy lies within. With the military operation expanding to Khyber and the militant reprisal just being felt, an engagement at both borders is the last thing needed. It divides attention, thins troop deployment, stretches the supply lines, and reduces the efficiency of the anti-insurgency overall. Yes, Kashmir is a vital issue, on which a strong principled stance must be taken. Yes, the Indian “red lines” are unreasonable, seeking to isolate a significant stakeholder from any dialogue. But Pakistan must have its priorities straight. This chance at normalised relations, flimsy as it is, needs to be availed. Not only in the interest of an effective operation in the tribal belt, but for the sake of the innocent lives lost on both sides of the border.
A Change In Tune
A Change In Tune
November 06, 2014
After weeks of sabre-rattling, chest thumping and cultivated machismo, there seems to a slight shift in the tenor of India’s conversation. Arun Jaitley, the Indian Minister of Defence, offered a hint of an olive branch camouflaged within usual threats. India, he said, was “ready to speak to Pakistan” and is “willing to normalise the relationship” but “there are a few red lines”; chief amongst them, making a conscious choice to either talk to India or the Hurriyat leaders.
Whether this is a genuine attempt by the Indian side to normalise relations, or just lip service to the pacifist, victimhood narrative, remains to be seen. Such disillusionment is warranted considering how Mr Modi, unlike Mr Nawaz Sharif, has made absolutely no attempt at peace. Instead of behaving like the Prime Minister of the world’s largest democracy, he is playing the role of a small time BJP leader; shamelessly warmongering, stoking hate and pandering to populist and nationalist notions. Is this strategy? The Defence Minister initiates peace, which India too sorely needs, while the Prime Minister keeps up appearances to milk every last vote from the population? In any case, Pakistan’s response should remain the same.
The attack on Wagah has hopefully driven home the point that despite the blast being on the Indo-Pak border, the real enemy lies within. With the military operation expanding to Khyber and the militant reprisal just being felt, an engagement at both borders is the last thing needed. It divides attention, thins troop deployment, stretches the supply lines, and reduces the efficiency of the anti-insurgency overall. Yes, Kashmir is a vital issue, on which a strong principled stance must be taken. Yes, the Indian “red lines” are unreasonable, seeking to isolate a significant stakeholder from any dialogue. But Pakistan must have its priorities straight. This chance at normalised relations, flimsy as it is, needs to be availed. Not only in the interest of an effective operation in the tribal belt, but for the sake of the innocent lives lost on both sides of the border.
A Change In Tune
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