Pakistan shifts 6,000 troops from Indian border to North West

[Solomon2]

So we're back to the pre-Mumbai status, meaning that Pakistani forces will be poised to deter further quick Taliban advances, rather than defeat them. With theft of U.S. aid rampant and battlefield initiative yielded to the Taliban, how long can it be before we see the U.S. evacuating its Islamabad embassy staff with helicopters from the roof-tops, à la Saigon?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

having America as an a major donor when it comes to F-16, missiles etc,

We don't have them as a major donor on those issues - Pakistan is paying for the Block 52's and it paid the last time around as well when the US jiffed us - kept our money and the planes. The same with the Harpoons, AIM's etc. Pakistan is paying for all of that.

See this thread about the 'ten billion in aid'

http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-te...iban-threat-not-helping-pakistan-haqqani.html

One doesnt need einstein to figure out recent upscaling of words and actions just as Zaradri is all set to go to US to sign the pact. Americans have seen through the thick and thin of the mind-games of PA. I would love to see one convincing proof that suggests Pakistan was proactive and didnot do it to 'please' US. None whatsoever. Again who are we kidding? The facts? The sordid truth?

You could look at the upcoming visit and say that the operation was planned keeping that in mind. On the other hand you cannot ignore the fact that the Taliban did invade Buner and lower Dir, and as the intercept of the conversations of their commanders suggested, were planning to expand, while 'faking' a withdrawal.

Given that scenario, there was no option but to launch an operation at this time. The US visit is likely a coincidence.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So we're back to the pre-Mumbai status, meaning that Pakistani forces will be poised to deter further quick Taliban advances, rather than defeat them. With theft of U.S. aid rampant and battlefield initiative yielded to the Taliban, how long can it be before we see the U.S. evacuating its Islamabad embassy staff with helicopters from the roof-tops, à la Saigon?

I don't see theft of US Aid rampant, especially since we haven't gotten said aid yet.

I'm not sure if Pakistan has even been reimbursed the 1 billion or so accumulated over the past year/year and a half through the provision of logistical support and operations in support of ISAF.

 

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim
I don't see theft of US Aid rampant, especially since we haven't gotten said aid yet.

I'm not sure if Pakistan has even been reimbursed the 1 billion or so accumulated over the past year/year and a half through the provision of logistical support and operations in support of ISAF.

Is that the logistic and support operations that was double billed by the Pakistan Navy?

 

[Nomad]

I see this figure of Pakistan having spent $36 billion for the WOT. Can anyone give me the source. The first Gulf War cost about 44 billion.

 

[jeypore]

you really think shifting 6,000 troops (1 brigade strength) has been done under pressure, then it must have been 0-psi pressure!spare us this BS!

If it is not preassure, then surely it is done to show US in goodfaith. And why would you ask? Money!!! Surely at this critical junture Pakistan is seriously thinking to move this troops to fight the actual enemy.

Putting little sarcasm aside, this is done only for money, period.

 

[BaburCM]

Is that the logistic and support operations that was double billed by the Pakistan Navy?

Are you actually so naive to believe that by providing a measly 10 billion dollars over a span of a year the US has done enough? Give me a break dude and stop deluding yourself. Pakistan has been reimbursed peanuts and in fact has had to pay out of her own pocket for the expenses. The war in Iraq cost the Americans a staggering 8 billion dollars a month! You want to win a war in Afghanistan by providing Pakistan with a few cents? Are you out of your nuts?

 

[TexasJohn]

Are you actually so naive to believe that by providing a measly 10 billion dollars over a span of a year the US has done enough? Give me a break dude and stop deluding yourself. Pakistan has been reimbursed peanuts and in fact has had to pay out of her own pocket for the expenses. The war in Iraq cost the Americans a staggering 8 billion dollars a month! You want to win a war in Afghanistan by providing Pakistan with a few cents? Are you out of your nuts?

Ah! Now you are trying to sound like gen.Zia. So what would be the "right" amount to pay Pakistan? How much are you paying out of pocket? can you give me a sensible breakdown? Come now, let's get down to the nitty gritty facts. Quantify what you can in dollars.

And by the way would there also be a re-imbursement from Pakistan for American equipment that comes up lost or stolen, but shows up the local markets while under your Goverment's care?

Or how about destroyed while under your Goverment's care?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Is that the logistic and support operations that was double billed by the Pakistan Navy?

Show me one operation of this scale that has not had accounting errors.

 

[Cheetah786]

So we're back to the pre-Mumbai status, meaning that Pakistani forces will be poised to deter further quick Taliban advances, rather than defeat them. With theft of U.S. aid rampant and battlefield initiative yielded to the Taliban, how long can it be before we see the U.S. evacuating its Islamabad embassy staff with helicopters from the roof-tops, à la Saigon?

WHen is Americans going to put More troops on the ground including There NATO partners to fight on afghanistan side Last i checked Americans attacked Afghanistan yet you have very few troops on the ground andMost NATO countries have refused to help cause they dont want to see there soldiers dying yet you keep asking pakistan to do more.

You use our services and reimbursement is called AIds yet you take our money and give us soyabeans for it instead of what we paid for Now thats called theft.

 

[PAFAce]

Unbelievable, we are supposed to serve American interests like loyal minions and not expect the US to do the most basic of things, pay for the mess they've created (at least in part).

I guess the Taleban occupying Buner was just a scheme of the Pakistan Army to squeeze some more juice out of the Americans? Those conniving bastards. Maybe we should welcome the American forces into our country, it seems they can conduct wars without spending a single cent (let's ignore the the profits from oilwells in Iraq).

I guess the only part I agree with is the fact that the Taleban is now as much (if not more) of a threat to Pakistan as India. We have the nuclear deterrant against India, they wouldn't dare rub us the wrong way, but the Taleban is like a disease eating the body from the inside. And here we have doctors refusing to believe that antibiotics cost money.

 

[TexasJohn]

WHen is Americans going to put More troops on the ground including There NATO partners to fight on afghanistan side Last i checked Americans attacked Afghanistan yet you have very few troops on the ground andMost NATO countries have refused to help cause they dont want to see there soldiers dying yet you keep asking pakistan to do more.

You use our services and reimbursement is called AIds yet you take our money and give us soyabeans for it instead of what we paid for Now thats called theft.

We are about to fix the "boots on the ground" issue. NATO countries have refused to help? Have you not heard about the Canadian, German, French, Italian troops in Afghanistan?

NATO is fully behind the A'stan war.

Iraq - that's the one they had a problem with. Get your facts right, please.