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Pakistan’s senior civil and military officials are sharing tightly held information about the country’s nuclear weapons programme to western countries in a bid to allay fears about the security of warheads in the face of a Taliban advance.

The unusual move highlights global concerns over the safety of up to 100 atomic bombs in Pakistan’s possession, as the country tries to repel Taliban militants that last week advanced to within 100km of Islamabad, the country’s capital. Pakistan is secretive about its nuclear programme, developed outside the nuclear non-proliferation treaty in an arms race with India.

A senior western envoy in Islamabad said diplomats had been given assurances about the security in place for the weapons systems and also their distance from Taliban-held territory.

Pakistani officials presented this as a move to satisfy the west that its weapons would not fall into Taliban hands. “We have renewed our pledge to keep our nuclear weapons safe,” said a senior Pakistani official. The briefings were aimed, he said, at “reassuring” the international community that there were adequate safety measures “to keep a complete lid on our weapons”.

Last night, the Pakistani army claimed it had halted the latest Taliban incursion in the Buner district, 100km north-west of Islamabad, after two days of fighting. At dawn on Wednesday, the army, which has been accused in the west of failing to challenge the militants, airlifted troops behind Taliban lines and, it claimed, forced them to retreat.

Although the whereabouts of Pakistan’s weapons are secret, analysts say that some are placed far from the Indian border to allow Islamabad adequate response time in the event of an attack from its old enemy, and fellow nuclear power, India.
FT.com / Asia-Pacific - Pakistan shares nuclear secrets
 
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Wat is the purpose of this post?? anti **** or wat??
 
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It has been denied. I highly doubt GOP can commit such stupidity without knowing the consequences of it. Moreover army will not allow GOP to do under any circumstances, so for now we can take this news with a pinch of salt.
 
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FO dismisses report on sharing of nuclear secrets

Updated at: 2032 PST, Saturday, May 02, 2009

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Saturday dismissed as “totally baseless” a report claiming that the country has shared its nuclear secrets with some countries.

Foreign Office spokesman was responding to a report, “Pakistan Shares Nuclear Secrets” published in a foreign newspaper on April 30.

“No such briefing ever took place,” the spokesman said.

“Pakistan’s strategic assets were absolutely safe, given our robust multilayered Command and Control systems. Concerns, if any, over the safety of our strategic assets are, therefore, unfounded,” the Spokesman said.

Source: FO dismisses report on sharing of nuclear secrets - GEO.tv

It's all about the nukes in the end.
 
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MSNBC.com

Pakistan expanding its nuclear capability Internal struggle, construction of two reactors raise concern about arsenal

ANALYSIS
By Robert Windrem
msnbc.com contributor
updated 10:53 a.m. ET, Tues., May 12, 2009

On the dusty plain 110 miles southwest of Islamabad, not far from an area controlled by the Taliban, two large new structures are rising, structures that in light of Pakistan’s internal troubles must be considered ominous for the stability of South Asia and, for that matter, the world.

Without any public U.S. reproach, Pakistan is building two of the developing world’s largest plutonium production reactors, which experts say could lead to improvements in the quantity and quality of the country’s nuclear arsenal, now estimated at 60 to 80 weapons.

What makes the project even more threatening is that it is unique.

“Pakistan is really the only country rapidly building up its nuclear forces,” says a U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the issue, noting that the nations that first developed nuclear weapons are now reducing their arsenals.

Moreover, he and other U.S. officials say, there long have been concerns about those who run the facility where the reactors are being built near the town of Khushab. They note that a month before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Khushab’s former director met with Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and offered a nuclear weapons tutorial around an Afghanistan campfire.

Then there are the billions in U.S. economic and military aid that have permitted Pakistan’s military to divert resources to nuclear and other weapons projects.

Bottom line: Khushab exemplifies all of the dangers posed by the Pakistani nuclear weapons program.

First new reactor near completion

In the past several months, satellite imagery shows the first of these new reactors at Khushab nearing completion while the second is in final stages of external construction. Operations at the first may begin soon, while the second is four or five years from operation.

David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security, a project that studies non-proliferation issues, is one of the few in Washington who sounded the alarm about the Khushab reactors.

“It’s a lot further along than we expected,” says Albright. “We’re seeing steady progress. … We don’t know if they have the (uranium) fuel or heavy water on-site, but on the outside, major construction appears finished … We don’t know what’s going on inside.”

What is clear, Albright says, is that Pakistani officials are committing limited national resources to building up the country’s nuclear arsenal, resources he and others note have been supplemented and replenished by U.S. aid.

“They’re building a capability beyond any reasonable requirement,” says Albright, who first wrote about Khushab two years ago, when he noticed construction south of an existing but smaller plutonium production reactor that’s been operating since about 1998.

“We think it’s bigger than the first one,” he says of the so-called Khushab-I reactor, estimated by U.S. intelligence at 70 megawatts.

Albright estimates the new reactors are “at least on the order of 100 megawatts,” each capable of producing enough plutonium for “four or five nuclear weapons a year.” While small by power reactor standards, that’s substantially larger than the research reactors that provided material for the weapons programs of Israel, India and North Korea. He also believes that the reactors could have a separate mission: producing tritium, an element critical to the development of thermonuclear weapons, what used to be called H-bombs.

Change in nuclear strategy

Albright is not alone among non-proliferation experts. Zia Mian, of the International Panel on Fissile Materials at Princeton University, says adding a reliable and large-scale plutonium stream to the country’s long-term expertise in uranium enrichment signals a change in Pakistan’s nuclear strategy.

“The addition of the two reactors does two things,” Mian notes. “It allows them to make a lot more warheads, four or five a year, but it also allows them to make much lighter and more complex weapons for longer-range missiles and cruise missiles. ... And triggers for thermonuclear weapons are almost always plutonium-based.”

Mian notes that Pakistan already has intermediate-range and short-range missiles capable of hitting any target in India, as well as submarine-launched cruise missiles.

Moreover, Mian says he believes that Pakistan also is upgrading its uranium centrifuge program at Kahuta, outside Islamabad, which has already given the country its first 70 nuclear weapons.

“There have been a series of reports where you can find evidence of Pakistan developing third- and fourth-generation centrifuges, much more powerful,” he said, “the same as the Europeans use to produce reactor fuel.”

The Pakistani government has no official comment on the reactors or the suspected upgrade in uranium enrichment. A senior Pakistani official who worked in the nuclear weapons program would only say “these reactors are part of plutonium production for the classified program” — code for nuclear weapons development.

There is not even a ruse that the Khushab reactors would produce electrical power for energy-starved Pakistan.

“There’s no connection to the national grid, no turbine at this site,” Albright said. “These kinds of reactors can be scaled up to power, but they need more cooling towers to make them large enough for electrical generation, and we don’t see that.”

Shuja Nawaz, director of the South Asia Center at the Atlantic Council, a leading Washington-based foreign policy and international security institute, thinks there may be a more troubling aspect to the reactor construction: a lack of organized decision making on the project.

It’s the same crisis of leadership on Islamic militancy or the economy for the Pakistani administration, says Nawaz, the author of “Crossed Swords,” a history of the Pakistani military. “It’s all working on inertia. That’s probably why they are where they are.”

The intelligence community has long had concerns about Khushab’s leadership. As George Tenet recalled in his memoir, “At the Center of the Storm,” the Central Intelligence Agency learned in the fall of 2001 that the former head of Khushab, Sultan Bashirrudan Mahmood, and the former head of the facility where bombs are designed, Chaudri Andul Majeed, had met just weeks before Sept. 11 with al-Qaida’s top leaders.

“Mahmood and Majeed met with Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri in Afghanistan,” Tenet, the former CIA chief, wrote. “There, around a campfire, they discussed how al-Qa’ida should go about building a nuclear device.”

Mahmood later admitted to Pakistani interrogators he had even provided a hand-drawn bomb design to bin Laden. According to Tenet, Mahmood told bin Laden, “The most difficult part of the process is obtaining the necessary fissile material,” to which bin Laden replied, “What if we already have the material?"

‘Closet Islamists’
Nawaz, whose late brother was Army chief of staff under Benazir Bhutto, says the key to securing the weapons programs is still the personnel who run them.

“At the higher level and the planning level, things are probably fine,” said Nawaz, speaking of the national command authorities, “but when you get down into the weeds, then you have problems.”

He notes that the military has tried to emulate personnel evaluation systems similar to those developed by the United States, but the system is not perfect by any means.

“In the Pakistani Army itself, they were trying to filter out people with Islamist tendencies, and they have failed,” he says. “Even corps commanders are closet Islamists.” He adds that senior officers in Pakistan’s intelligence service, the ISI, have belonged to the Tablighi Jamaat. The fundamentalist Muslim organization operates worldwide and has been accused of recruiting for radical organizations in Afghanistan as well as Pakistan.

Yet the United States has not publicly reproached Pakistan. It has quietly been helping Pakistan to develop systems that prevent detonation of nuclear weapons by anyone without the proper clearance and codes. Nawaz says that Pakistan’s security steps have not gone as far as Washington wanted but that the United States seems to be satisfied with them.

A Pakistani nuclear official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of the issues, confirms the U.S. help but says he would be surprised if the weapons are as secure as the United States hopes and believes, noting “none were secured before 9/11.”

Twice in recent decades, U.S. military and economic aid has permitted Pakistan to spend billions on nuclear weapons. In the 1980s, the U.S. supplied billions to Pakistan for Afghan aid against the Soviet Union. Not coincidentally, the decade saw major advances in the Pakistani nuclear program, particularly at the Kahuta centrifuge facility outside Islamabad. Then, in the post-9/11 decade, more money was sent to Pakistan to battle al-Qaida at a time when the plutonium production program began to accelerate.

“There’s been $11 billion in aid sent to Pakistan publicly since 2001 and perhaps as much again in covert aid,” says Mian, the Princeton scientist, asserting that mingling of the money enabled spending on the weapons program.

A senior U.S. intelligence official at the time says that immediately after Sept. 11, 2001, the Bush administration took risks to deal with Afghanistan.

“We would be in a world of hurt ... without Pakistan. We also feared that if we didn't deal with them, we could push them further into the camp of the radicals. We had to deal with the wolves nearer the sled.”

Now, of course, all the wolves are closing in. Last week, events in Pakistan led President Barack Obama to say he has “grave concerns” about Pakistan’s stability and others in the CIA and Pentagon to discuss plans for securing or taking out Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and facilities.

“If Iran emerges with nuclear weapon, that is a problem … but a potential problem,” Albright says in assessing the dangers of proliferation.

But considering the danger that Islamic radicals pose to Pakistan’s government and its nuclear weapons program, he says, “the riskiest state has to be Pakistan, the greatest danger is from Pakistan. In terms of measurable danger, Pakistan is either right at the top or near the top of everyone’s list.”

Robert Windrem is a research fellow at the NYU Center for Law and Security.

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Without any public U.S. reproach, Pakistan is building two of the developing world’s largest plutonium production reactors, which experts say could lead to improvements in the quantity and quality of the country’s nuclear arsenal, now estimated at 60 to 80 weapons.

Well Pakistan is building these two reactors since and it remains a fact that US state department itself admitted that they knew about that the Khushab-2 reactor. Pakistan certainly is not responsible to tell all these so-called experts who can’t just do the simple math. I mean they include the statements by the Albright but wouldn’t like to include the claims he made about the Pakistani nuclear material production capabilities. if we go according to the Albright’s perditions of Pakistani production capabilities, Pakistan have enough material to produce 92 to 147 uranium nuclear warheads and 20 to 33 plutonium warheads with combined total of 112 to 180 nuclear warheads. So real question is why these so called experts are crying? Well I think that these guys have absolutely no idea what so ever about the current situation at all. They made some predictions in past with low numbers to show that Pakistan is in very weak position compared to India, but no problem is even those low predictions are becoming too high for them to swallow. So they are again in the media, but have no idea so everyone is making wild claims from 35 nuclear warheads to 80 nuclear warheads.

“Pakistan is really the only country rapidly building up its nuclear forces,” says a U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the issue, noting that the nations that first developed nuclear weapons are now reducing their arsenals.
“Pakistan is really the only country rapidly building up its nuclear forces,” says a U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the issue, noting that the nations that first developed nuclear weapons are now reducing their arsenals.

Yep Pakistan is the only nation rapidly building its nuclear forces, let’s see USA provides india heavy water and Canada provide India nuclear reactor and we had first and only nation to use reactor provided for peaceful purposes to build nuclear warheads. USA provides training and designs to Indian scientist of its space launch vehicle and we had south Asia’s first IRBM. They tried their best to destroy Pakistani will through their media storm trying to make us believe that India has better and powerful weapons but when they failed, they again came to help and protect the Indians by offering them deals that will allow them to produce more and more nuclear weapons.


Then there are the billions in U.S. economic and military aid that have permitted Pakistan’s military to divert resources to nuclear and other weapons projects. What is clear, Albright says, is that Pakistani officials are committing limited national resources to building up the country’s nuclear arsenal, resources he and others note have been supplemented and replenished by U.S. aid.

If that’s the case why not USA stops aid? Answer is simple, even USA knows that had Pakistan nt helped they would have been slaughtered in Afghanistan by now. USA is not proving aid for Pakistan only , they are doing so to help them self and protect their interests.
And USA and west is using their resources to build peaceful place where everyone else would be killed by them or weapons provided by them.
Bottom line: Khushab exemplifies all of the dangers posed by the Pakistani nuclear weapons program.

Bottom line is Pakistan don’t care if USA or any other nation feels threats or not, Pakistani government will protect its national interests just they are doing


“They’re building a capability beyond any reasonable requirement,” says Albright, who first wrote about Khushab two years ago, when he noticed construction south of an existing but smaller plutonium production reactor that’s been operating since about 1998.“We think it’s bigger than the first one,” he says of the so-called Khushab-I reactor, estimated by U.S. intelligence at 70 megawatts.

Who is Albright to decide what are Pakistan ‘s requirements? Especially when these western nation them self are reasonable by having thousands and thousands of nuclear warheads aimed and ready to be fired with offices on duty are sleeping and nuclear warheads fly whole of USA without any authorization, may be those were actually stolen from US bases? Will USA like to provide whole world a investigation to see independently if that wasn’t the case? Or USA should share the command with rest of world to make sure such mistakes don’t get repeated

There is not even a ruse that the Khushab reactors would produce electrical power for energy-starved Pakistan.“There’s no connection to the national grid, no turbine at this site,” Albright said. “These kinds of reactors can be scaled up to power, but they need more cooling towers to make them large enough for electrical generation, and we don’t see that.”

Why west is waiting, why not they take first step and provide Pakistan necessary technology to do so? I mean Pakistan’s record is way better than India who uses peaceful reactors to produce plutonium for nuclear warheads

O yea right, man I totally forgot it Pakistan is Muslim nation with nuclear weapons
 
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so whats the end game of all this ?

The endgame is to end the Pakistani Nuclear program and power. Through any vicious and deceptive mean. This is why even after decades of being a US strategic ally the US continues to attack Pakistan for it's nuclear weapons but never other Nuclear states. The US never questions the Nuclear program of regional countries, even when a specific regional country lacks the Nuclear Command & Control level of sophistication that Pakistan has, Pakistani nukes are fully secured nonetheless this does not matter, as the plan is not to secure Pakistan's Nukes but to destroy the Nuclear program.

The endgame is exactly that, with Nukes Pakistan is capable of mass destruction on the Earth, it has been and will be the interest of hegemonic states both far and near to cripple Pakistan's Nuclear power capability.

This is why they have their intelligence agencies design plots to kidnap our Nuclear scientist, spy on our Nuclear progress, use their multi-million dollar spy satellites to spy on our Nuclear infrastructure...So much for trust and friendship eh?


Pakistan is seen as the "soft-belly" in the China-Pakistan power axis that is believed to project and possess great power in Asia in the nearby future. It is in the interest of the US and UK to dismantle this power, so that they may sit at the top of World Power for another century to come....




P.S I leave out Russia's involvement here.
 
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Israel, india and US are our enemies....may be US react as friends but their final goal is to destroy Pakistan the only Muslim world Nuclear power!
 
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Israel, india and US are our enemies....may be US react as friends but their final goal is to destroy Pakistan the only Muslim world Nuclear power!

That's right, they don't give a damn about Syria, Kuwait, UAE, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen Oman, or Iraq, these toothless tigers are harmless to them.


The only I will say this again, THE ONLY!

The only power and challenger to Western Military dominance coming from the Muslim or "Islamic Republic" World is Pakistan!

Therefore, you must go after Pakistan, even if Pakistan does not directly threaten the West, it is Not our INTENTION but it is our CAPABILITY they Fear...

The sooner I beat this into my fellow country-men's heads the sooner they will learn, InshAllah.

(Unless Turkey wages Jihaad (in the future) which is still a real possibility, I will not get too deep into this aspect for now...)
 
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both our military n civilians(including political forces) gotta unite and co-operate with each other to come over these problems surrounding our country.
 
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