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Pakistan rubbishes Indian claims of Surgical Strike inside Pakistan.

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Indians celebrating after the successful SIR G KAL strikes


They used stealth chopper even our forces not alert, did Indian forces used same helos?
Ohk,and one that destroyed due to crash also exploded stealthily Hugh.... Man it just happened near to ur military base. Even crackers sounds are enough to be heated abotabad military base. Yet nothing has happened.
@smuhs1 oops read it.
 
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@MilSpec

Its time to resume our earlier debates of the option available with the India.
As your whole argument was that their is no balls in India to do that or that.

Now lets review it again

1. Using Water War -- You might have heard the news of the meeting done by Modi to review the IWT -- A studies done in 2010 indicates that even if we didn't broke the IWT, and fully utilize our share of water of 20%, that would hurt the Pakistan. This option have been activated now.

2. Short tactical moves, and give the tactical commander the freeness -- We won't be hearing any news from the Indian media this time, and guess, why there was so much F-16 flying in the P0K areas, and level of allertness, because something is going on in the background.

3. Surgical Strike -- You called again no balls game, but this won't be the option right now, because Winter is comming, and for a sane PM or the Leaders, this would take place only when we have the justification Solid. So the best option is to make the condition, that makes the enemy to do some foolish action e.g Make the condition of the Water so that they make the first step, which would give India the justification to end the game latter.

4. Corner the Pakistan -- This option have been activated, and very evident from the lattest facts of SAARC meeting in Islamabad conditions.

5. Remove MFN Status -- Your argument was, that no problem for Pak -- Agreed, but small steps including other steps makes a big one, which is decisive.

6. Internationalize Balluchistan -- Soon it will be the reality, and the lattest Bugti will get the asylum in India. Why Pakistan will have the problem, because he is stuck in Switzerland as the Swiss govt. don't allow him to go outside of their country, and he was not able to accelerate the movement. With the asylum in India (He won't be the first one who will get the asylum, and not the last) he could visit more areas, and could raise the voice more prominently.

7. Covert Operation -- You wrongly understand the word Covert operation, which will be all the options above.

8. Corner the Pakistan Internationally and declare it as Terrorist State -- This option is also been activated, Sushma Swaraj speech indicates the call for the Global agreement to do that and to address the very source which is spreading the terror. There were some news regarding the USA itself, when some senate tries to bring some resolution passed for that, and might know better there.

regards. So where would you like to resume our discussion.

I have exhausted myself repeating myself over the years. I don't like to criticize our own people over and over again. If you think India is taking the right steps, then good for you, I envy your optimism, I continue to be underwhelmed.
 
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Did the DGMO actually say this or is this just Indian media saying he said it? Open your eyes. Your media is the spewing out propaganda. Of an attack already happened Pakistan would've responded by now.


I think this would suffice that the DGMO arranged a press meet to tell it.
 
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Well good luck and let us know when you will get better :enjoy:

I sincerely hope that it was a sarcastic post.

Reason for Pakistani army to use militants and non state actors is due to the non parity with the Indian military. All the past major conflicts were stalemates or decisive victory for the Indian Army. Please read some Non Indian and Pakistani sources once in a while.
 
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I am so somewhat actually very surprised. You know why ?
A presstitute media that has a habit of making mole out of mountain even if it is doing humanitarian work in nepal, where the Govt and local citizen had to intervene as the presstitutes reporters were hamper the rehab efforts by reporting.

Now IF so-called strike has taken place, It would be a trophy for Indian population and Media they would have surely shown the destruction and hwat not, after all attacking Pakistan is indeed a prize that every indian admins wants
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It is the usual cross border strike .. nothing in depth. On launch pads. Launch pads are usually located away from the Pakistani posts. So it is only different in the sense that India has made it public.

Aircrafts did not cross. And as long as PA can deny, it can think carefully and decide how it wants to proceed.

You must understand that this can not be dismissed as a lie which is being tried as ramifications are too large. Right now, Pakistan is justified in retaliating, but by covering it into selective anti-terror operation across LC, PA has to carefully gauge it's response.

I avoid taking sides. What I know, I have posted.

There has been no 'retaliation' like videos being posted. The cross border fire started with India opening up to push in forces. Small teams entered. Happens.

Thats all for now.

PS:

And Indian strike corps are still lying in their respective spots .... if there was indeed a 'war' they would be moving and many here would not be on net arguing things out:enjoy:

It was a very localised and normal operation .. only publicly acknowledged. Proximity was not greater than 2 kms on other side, hence PA can easily claim a LOC limited op.

Negotiations/diplomacy remains alive and I hope sense prevails.
 
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In the overnight operation of attacking terror “launch pads” in Pakistan occupied Kashmir, para-commandos of the Army, struck at as many as seven locations, possibly more, and exacted casualties in “double digits”, officials privy to the operations tell The Hindu. Photographs and videos of the operation will be released soon, sources confirmed.

According to officials present at one of several briefings given by the military, MoD and MEA in the course of Thursday morning, the Army was given the go-ahead for a “counter-terror operation” in the aftermath of the Uri attack.

“The government gave the Army a free hand to plan and carry out the attack,” a senior member of the government said. Even before the Uri attack, the Army was concerned by what they saw as a build-up at the terror “launch pads” just across the LoC.

“Despite repeated requests from the government to Pakistan’s High Commissioner, the warnings were not taken seriously,” MEA officials said. The government has pointed to 19 infiltration attempts in the past two months along similar routes in four sectors along the LoC, but say they met with no support from Pakistan.

“This was in response to specific intelligence inputs. No aerial strikes were undertaken. The Pakistan Army has accepted that they lost two of their soldiers and that nine were injured. Usually, the Indian Army fires from the Indian side of the LoC on such infiltrators after they cross over the LoC. The launch camps are temporary in nature, unlike training camps. It is where infiltrators gather before crossing over,” Minister of State for Information and Broadcasting Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore told The Hindu shortly after the DGMO announced the strikes to the media.


Officials said heavy casualties were inflicted on the militants present in the terror camps. According to one source, some of the troops crossed the LoC on foot, while others flew in on Mi-17 gunship helicopters that also gave the Indian commandos cover from fire. However, Rathore denied the story, saying helicopters had not crossed the LoC and were not involved in the operation.

Meanwhile, with dawn and the safe return of the para-commandos, the government began to work the phones, DGMO Lt Gen Ranbir Singh called his Pakistani counterpart to say that the strikes were over and India didn’t intend to escalate the conflict. The Prime Ministeri and the Cabinet Committee on Security were briefed, as were President Pranab Mukherjee, Vice President Hamid Ansari, former Prime Ministers Manmohan Singh and H.D. Deve Gowda.

Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar and External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj spoke to their counterparts in all Security Council member countries and key countries in West Asia to inform them of the operation.

According to Pakistan’s Defence Minister Khwaja Asif military spokesperson, two Pakistani soldiers were killed and 9 were injured. Pakistan’s DG, Inter Services Public Relations, said they hwere killed in crossfire at the LoC. “There has been no surgical strike by India, instead there had been a cross border fire initiated and conducted by India which is existential phenomenon,” the spokesperson said.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ssloc-attack/article9163217.ece?homepage=true
 
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No airlift. It was across ... there were ghatak level operations also launched simultaneously to distract/flush out forests.

You must understand that offensive operations in the area are undertaken at night and thick forest, where even militants are in something called 'harbour' when they wait to cross LC ...

hence it was only a ground offensive ... no air asset crossed LC

There was overhead CAP and air support, that is right and correct.

De-escalation - the PA has done very correct denying the surgical strike. By doing so, it allows PA room to gauge the reaction and assess options. So deniability of this actually taking place remains. If PA decides to retaliate immediately, they risk being portrayed as supporters. If they do not, they loose credibility. We are expecting retaliation, there is no doubt it will come. But again .. it is time and place of own choosing.

Please understand that India did not take the action without tacit understanding ... you can see from the muted reactions of the Governments of other nations so far.

Welcome to Pakistan Defence Forum J.P dutta :welcome:
Hope you enjoy your stay :enjoy:
 
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