Pakistan ranked 7th, Turkey ranked 11th in latest GlobalFirePower rankings. Ukraine sees a massive rise.

[Titanium100]

@Foinikas

I know you have a bone to pick with Turkey and especially MMM-E but lets not deny the facts that Turkey is indeed Today the second best weapon producer since 2019-until today only second to the US currently..

@renhai

I meant proven weapons such as weapons that have been battle tested and have seen the daylight of war..

Broski lets stop the trolling South Korea is not even near to sniffing Turkey

 

[Foinikas]

I know you have a bone to pick with Turkey but lets deny the facts that Turkey is indeed Today the second best weapon producer since 2019-until today only second to the US currently..

Look,look...it's not about that. The thing is that a lot of technology and cooperation between South Korea and Turkey existed even before Turkey became famous for UCAVs and other exports.

You cannot simply dismiss the fact that South Korea has been making its own tanks,artillery,aircraft,missile systems and ships and is one of the leading countries in the world when it comes to electronics.

I mean....T-55 Firtina is essentially a version of the K9. Altay is based on the K2.

"Altay is a Turkish modern main battle tank based on South Korean K2 Black Panther to be produced by BMC under design assistance and technology transfer by Hyundai Rotem.[9][10][11][12][13]"

These are just two examples. South Korea is an industrial giant.

And as for China...we don't know about the overall quality of a lot of military products Turkey's making lately. China has the capacity to provide more,faster and to a wider client base than Turkey can right now.

 

[MMM-E]

KIZILELMA and J20

Unmanned vs Manned

 

[Titanium100]

Look,look...it's not about that. The thing is that a lot of technology and cooperation between South Korea and Turkey existed even before Turkey became famous for UCAVs and other exports.

You cannot simply dismiss the fact that South Korea has been making its own tanks,artillery,aircraft,missile systems and ships and is one of the leading countries in the world when it comes to electronics.

I mean....T-55 Firtina is essentially a version of the K9. Altay is based on the K2.

"Altay is a Turkish modern main battle tank based on South Korean K2 Black Panther to be produced by BMC under design assistance and technology transfer by Hyundai Rotem.[9][10][11][12][13]"

These are just two examples. South Korea is an industrial giant.

And as for China...we don't know about the overall quality of a lot of military products Turkey's making lately. China has the capacity to provide more,faster and to a wider client base than Turkey can right now.

You only say giant without evidence to go along with it.. Turkey has produced dozens of weappons South Korea doesn't have yet or haven't developed.. South Korea is behind Turkey in many regards when it comes to the weapon industry.. We are not talking about car industries..

Just read page 4.. You will see that South Korea didn't belt out the amount Turkey did and at this very moment Turkey trumps South Korea..

I am a weapon fanatic myself and I can easily tell you Turkey --> South Korea for the last 5 years without a doubt and that is not even up for debat.

However China has bigger industry then South Korea and better but still Quality has to be proven and there are consumer complaints about Chinese products..

Whereas Turkish products get rave-reviews by consumers and gets praised for their performances..

All their NATO consumers such Poland, Ukraine and others and MENA consumers are extremely satisfied with Turkish products performances

 

[MMM-E]

You cannot simply dismiss the fact that South Korea has been making its own tanks,artillery,aircraft,missile systems and ships and is one of the leading countries in the world when it comes to electronics.

S.Korea can not develop even Targeting Pod

only USA,France,Turkiye,Israel have developed high quality targeting Pod in the world
... China and Russia still has low quality targeting Pods


Turkiye has 757 military projects .. S.Korea not even close

S.Korea is lucky that nobody attacks on S.Korea
S.Korea is lucky that nobody use arms embargo on S.Korea

on the other hand Turkiye lost $1 trillion to fight USA,Europe backed PKK/YPG , FETO , ISIS , HAFTAR , etc between 1985 and 2020

and USA,France,Germany,Italy use arms embargo on Turkiye


about Fighter Jets S.Korean KF-21 is 2 years ahead of Turkish TFX

Turkiye TFX

S.Korea KF-21

 

[Foinikas]

S.Korea can not develop even Targeting Pod

only USA,France,Turkiye,Israel have developed high quality targeting Pod in the world
... China and Russia still has low quality targeting Pods


Turkiye has 757 military projects .. S.Korea not even close

S.Korea is lucky that nobody attacks on S.Korea
S.Korea is lucky that nobody use arms embargo on S.Korea

on the other hand Turkiye lost $1 trillion to fight USA,Europe backed PKK/YPG , FETO , ISIS , HAFTAR , etc between 1985 and 2020

South Korea cannot develop?

Here boy,read:

Defense industry of South Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't know if it's madness or extreme pride that makes you say such nonsense.

What would have the Turkish defence industry be right now without South Korean,Chinese and German help?

 

[Titanium100]

South Korea cannot develop?

Here boy,read:

Defense industry of South Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't know if it's madness or extreme pride that makes you say such nonsense.

What would have the Turkish defence industry be right now without South Korean,Chinese and German help?

This is coopism denial.. It can't be hard to concede a simple fact

 

[MMM-E]

South Korea cannot develop?

Here boy,read:

Defense industry of South Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't know if it's madness or extreme pride that makes you say such nonsense.

What would have the Turkish defence industry be right now without South Korean,Chinese and German help?

Yes South Korea cannot develop many things including next generation targeting pod


S.Korean,Chinese,German help ? .... liar troll

even S.Korean KF-21 Fighter Jet use Turkish data links


ALTAY Tank and T-155 Howitzer platforms based on S.Korean K2 and K-9
nothing else

only 2 projects of 757 Turkish military project

no any help from China and Germany ....



Israel gave AESA Radar technology to S.Korea
and S.Korea doesnt have gas turbine engine technology to develop turbofan and turboshaft engines

on the other hand Turkiye itself developed AESA Radars , turbine engine technology with single crystal blade and bliks


Russia gave medium range Air Defense technology to S.Korea

on the other hand Turkiye itself developed HISAR-A , HISAR-O , SIPER Air Defense

 

[Sayfullah]

Turkiye rules technology while Egypt uses still unguided MLRS
what about Iran , Pakistan ?
Russia , France , The UK also lacks this capability


Turkish TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS to hit even moving Tanks from 70-150 km away

Congratulations, you want a cookie?

For your kind information, Pakistan has similar indigenous systems for many years now and ones that can carry tactical nukes as well.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

LMAO GlobalFirepower. Here's a description of them, from Bellendcat, no less:

Ukrainian President Cites Clickbait Ranking in National Address - bellingcat

Translations:English (UK)Русский (Россия)To highlight the progress that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have made under his command, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has cited a military index created by a clickbait military-themed site without any expert, academic, military or government...

www.bellingcat.com

 

[Foinikas]

This is coopism denial.. It can't be hard to concede a simple fact

Are you kidding me? South Korea vs Turkey,you pick Turkey and accuse me of being biased? You're a fanboy,dude!
We're talking about Hyunda,KIA,Hanwha here. Not MMM-E's imaginary 757 future projects.

Where would Turkey be without SK's assistance in the first place?

 

[Sayfullah]

@MMM-E
Turkey’s number 1 enemy is Greece, a country smaller than it.
Pakistan’s number 1 enemy is india, a country 8x bigger than it.
Pakistan has survived multiple wars with india and successfully freed a portion of J&K.
Turkey had a war in northern Cyprus against smaller Greece and freed a portion.

Pakistan achieves what Turkey achieves against a larger and much stronger enemy. That alone is enough to say which country is more powerful.

 

[MMM-E]

Congratulations, you want a cookie?

For your kind information, Pakistan has similar indigenous systems for many years now and ones that can carry tactical nukes as well.

only in your dreams ....
Pakistan doesnt have laser guided MLRS and UCAV to carry it

dont compare Pakistan with Turkiye
Turkiye is in another league

 

[Sayfullah]

Turkiye has 757 military projects

You could have 757 million. When war starts you defence industry get taken out within days if not hours. All those weapons factories only survive in peacetime or if your a very large country with enough dept.
Pakistan has its defence industry and factories but in a war with india it would be toast before it produces anything. But Pakistan can still sustain a war with india and that’s what matters. Doesn’t matter if the weapons are Chinese or Turkish, as long as it works.
Ukraine is a good example. It had much smaller defence industry compared to Russia. Ukraine is still inflicting heavy losses on Russia. If you have a constant supply of weapons and ammo during war that’s all you need to survive.

 

[Foinikas]

S.Korean,Chinese,German help ? .... liar troll

"Liar troll"??? Are you insane or has nationalism clouded your brain?

Let me quote @Akritas

The Reis class submarine is a license-built German Type 214 submarine version!

You can't finish the Altay because you needed a German or South Korean engine. How do you think you built the Altay? Out of nothing? A Turkish engineer team knew how to develop a brand new main battle tank,just like that? You got help from South Korea!